RIP, Amateurism

[JRowland]

The topic that has so singularly defined both the NCAA and criticisms of it has been in the headlines for years.

Now, amateurism is dead. At least it will be when you wake up on Thursday.

Because of a unanimous 9-0 ruling by the United States Supreme Court, college athletes are now able to monetize their name, image, and likeness for personal financial gain.

In the past this was strictly off-limits and violations could compromise both a player's eligibility and his team's achievements.

But amateurism has been an umbrella term and concept that has created the entire college sports landscape that we have known for all of our lives.

Link: https://kentucky.rivals.com/news/rip-amateurism

 

[FFWhite]

NCAA had a chance to address this 20 years ago. They refused to compromise and now are at the mercy of big money interests.

 

[Doc4UK!]

Unfortunately it will create a lot of internal issues among players

 

[uky8unc5]

Amateur = Let's force Kids to be criminals by receiving $$ (that they NEED) for services rendered.

All the while, Coaches and Colleges and NCAA pad their pockets, using Sports to attract Students to attend.

This won't break the system.
It's the first step to fixing it.

 

[Catclaw1]

Next big question will be these big coaching salaries. Do you really need a calipari for 10 mil a year when you can go buy the players for the 10 mil and put a halfway decent coach in there?

 

[blubo]

Next big question will be these big coaching salaries. Do you really need a calipari for 10 mil a year when you can go buy the players for the 10 mil and put a halfway decent coach in there?

Hmm…that question might raise some discussion down the road. good point.

 

[mrhotdice]

Pay HS kids. Then pay 7th graders. If a college education is worth so little then make money not education. The cheerleaders want a million dollar contract now or they won’t cheer.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Next big question will be these big coaching salaries. Do you really need a calipari for 10 mil a year when you can go buy the players for the 10 mil and put a halfway decent coach in there?

Coaches salaries are primarily paid from outside sources.

 

[Catclaw1]

Coaches salaries are primarily paid from outside sources.

Those outside sources are what’s going to be paying players now

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Those outside sources are what’s going to be paying players now

Nope, most of it comes from the k-fund, also shoe contracts and media contracts. That won't change

 

[sluggercatfan]

Amateur = Let's force Kids to be criminals by receiving $$ (that they NEED) for services rendered.

All the while, Coaches and Colleges and NCAA pad their pockets, using Sports to attract Students to attend.

This won't break the system.
It's the first step to fixing it.

People like you act like these athletes are living like paupers. Nothing could be further from the truth...these kids get clothes, private chefs , live better than most have ever lived. They get COL allowance and I'm quite sure the vast majority qualify for Pell grant money AND we haven't even gotten to that crazy topic of FREE COLLEGE TUITION FOR LIFE THING...how do most of these kids pay for the hundreds/thousands of dollars for all the ink all over their bodies

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

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People like you act like these athletes are living like paupers. Nothing could be further from the truth...these kids get clothes, private chefs , live better than most have ever lived. They get COL allowance and I'm quite sure the vast majority qualify for Pell grant money AND we haven't even gotten to that crazy topic of FREE COLLEGE TUITION FOR LIFE THING...how do most of these kids pay for the hundreds/thousands of dollars for all the ink all over their bodies

^^^This

 

[akaukswoosh]

 

[Snarks]

This is the NCAA’s doing (or lackthereof). If they had addressed this 10 years ago, it wouldn’t be the Wild West now.

 

[GonzoCat90]

College sports has been the Wild West for decades. It's just in the face of the people who believed the lie now.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

The NCAA needed a reality check. I hope it's disbanded since it has crooks like Emmert running it.

The NCAA almost broke their necks looking the other way from Chapel Hill and most everyone is pretending none of that ever happened.

I only hope ESPN goes away as well. They have become the CNN of sports.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

Amateur = Let's force Kids to be criminals by receiving $$ (that they NEED) for services rendered.

All the while, Coaches and Colleges and NCAA pad their pockets, using Sports to attract Students to attend.

This won't break the system.
It's the first step to fixing it.

I’m sorry, but no one forced a single person into the the NCAA organization. No one.

There was a time when it was just about the only possible route to take, but that hasn’t been true for sometime.

I understand allowing kids to make on their likeness, but the rhetoric is wildly overblown.

Also, we are going down a very slippery slope which is why I never endorsed “likeness collecting” to begin with. If people would stop there, sure, but they won’t. In 10 years we’ll have players unions, strikes, contracts, and I wouldn’t doubt some sort of permanent free agency.

People never know when to quit.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

College sports has been the Wild West for decades. It's just in the face of the people who believed the lie now.

I agree with that. Certain schools have never had to worry about being punished for "ways" of doing things. We all know which ones.

UK Football under Mumme was definitely the wild west. Have a friend who grew up with Couch. Went to UK at the same time.

After home games there would "parties" where the players would go. He said booster after booster would come in and talk and meet with the players. They would take Couch aside for a few minutes with some very friendly handshakes.

I'm not opposed to this. These kids, especially players like Couch, generate millions for their schools.

Of course UK ultimately got busted under Mumme. I just think it's always been hypocritical the way the NCAA did their business.

X school never suffers for anything, Y school does. No consistency or justice in it.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

I’m sorry, but no one forced a single person into the the NCAA organization. No one.

There was a time when it was just about the only possible route to take, but that hasn’t been true for sometime.

I understand allowing kids to make on their likeness, but the rhetoric is wildly overblown.

Also, we are going down a very slippery slope which is why I never endorsed “likeness collecting” to begin with. If people would stop there, sure, but they won’t. In 10 years we’ll have players unions, strikes, contracts, and I wouldn’t doubt some sort of permanent free agency.

People never know when to quit.

I think these schools should pull away and form their own Org.

The NCAA had too much power and no accountability. Emmert just let UNC skate and we all know why.

 

[GonzoCat90]

I agree with that. Certain schools have never had to worry about being punished for "ways" of doing things. We all know which ones.

UK Football under Mumme was definitely the wild west. Have a friend who grew up with Couch. Went to UK at the same time.

After home games there would "parties" where the players would go. He said booster after booster would come in and talk and meet with the players. They would take Couch aside for a few minutes with some very friendly handshakes.

I'm not opposed to this. These kids, especially players like Couch, generate millions for their schools.

Of course UK ultimately got busted under Mumme. I just think it's always been hypocritical the way the NCAA did their business.

X school never suffers for anything, Y school does. No consistency or justice in it.

If you don't enforce the rule every time, you have no rule. Just a system to maintain things the way you want them to be.

That's what the NCAA has tried to do forever. It's good to see everyone calling their bluff.

 

[podgejeff_]

I think these schools should pull away and form their own Org.

What do you think the NCAA is?

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

I think these schools should pull away and form their own Org.

The NCAA had too much power and no accountability. Emmert just let UNC skate and we all know why.

I think we need to be careful what we wish for.

There’s no telling what would become of college basketball with zero NCAA safeguards in place. Would it be better or worse? Who knows.

I also think there’s different things at play here. The NCAA gives back the vast majority of the money to the universities to fund things that otherwise wouldn’t be funded. At the same time, Emmett should not be making millions of dollars per year.

The problem with the typical rationale about Emmert is where the blame belongs. He’s only there because the universities want him here. The ncaa only exists because the universities want it to exist. So it sounds like your problem is with university presidents and guys like Barnhart.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

If you don't enforce the rule every time, you have no rule. Just a system to maintain things the way you want them to be.

That's what the NCAA has tried to do forever. It's good to see everyone calling their bluff.

I hope they shatter the NCAA into a thousand pieces.

Kanter wasn't allowed to play, but schools like dook never have a problem getting players eligibility.

There is zero consistency in their rulings.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

What do you think the NCAA is?

I know what it is, but somewhere along the way, they became too powerful.

No accountability to the people they represent.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

I think we need to be careful what we wish for.

There’s no telling what would become of college basketball with zero NCAA safeguards in place. Would it be better or worse? Who knows.

I also think there’s different things at play here. The NCAA gives back the vast majority of the money to the universities to fund things that otherwise wouldn’t be funded. At the same time, Emmett should not be making millions of dollars per year.

The problem with the typical rationale about Emmert is where the blame belongs. He’s only there because the universities want him here. The ncaa only exists because the universities want it to exist. So it sounds like your problem is with university presidents and guys like Barnhart.

My problem is the NCAA is ran by people who lean toward Alma maters and those with they share common beliefs with.

We see coaches caught red handed cheating, and zero happens to them.

Guarantee had Calipari been on tape like the coach at LSU, UK is shredded.

Currently, nothing has happened to Wade. The NCAA is a fraud ran by frauds.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

My problem is the NCAA is ran by people who lean toward Alma maters and those with they share common beliefs with.

We see coaches caught red handed cheating, and zero happens to them.

Guarantee had Calipari been on tape like the coach at LSU, UK is shredded.

Currently, nothing has happened to Wade. The NCAA is a fraud ran by frauds.

Right, but I think what I’m saying is if we are going to place the blame where it belongs, it needs to happen before we ever get to the NCAA.

For example, why is the athletic personnel at Kansas, UK, and Duke not going to the media about LSU or UNC? Why did the AD’s at Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke not hit the air waves blasting the NCAA for how they’ve handled it?

Why did Mitch throw his support behind Emmert? Why did nearly all of them throw their support behind Emmert?

It’s like being mad at cancer but having no concern for funding to eliminate the cause.

Anyway, I guess I point is the NCAA and Emmert are a byproduct of a much larger issue that, until we acknowledge, won’t change no matter how angry we get at the hypocrisy we see.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Right, but I think what I’m saying is if we are going to place the blame where it belongs, it needs to happen before we ever get to the NCAA.

For example, why is the athletic personnel at Kansas, UK, and Duke not going to the media about LSU or UNC? Why did the AD’s at Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke not hit the air waves blasting the NCAA for how they’ve handled it?

Why did Mitch throw his support behind Emmert? Why did nearly all of them throw their support behind Emmert?

It’s like being mad at cancer but having no concern for funding to eliminate the cause.

Anyway, I guess I point is the NCAA and Emmert are a byproduct of a much larger issue that, until we acknowledge, won’t change no matter how angry we get at the hypocrisy we see.

Agree completely.

 

[reggis]

With a strong and smart person (which Emmert is neither) running the NCAA college sports could be getting better than they have ever being. I'm afraid what we will see now is players playing for themselves and the heck with love of the game by playing it the correct way or they will try to disrupt the whole chemistry of their team.

 

[Kybluedude]

I agree with that. Certain schools have never had to worry about being punished for "ways" of doing things. We all know which ones.

UK Football under Mumme was definitely the wild west. Have a friend who grew up with Couch. Went to UK at the same time.

After home games there would "parties" where the players would go. He said booster after booster would come in and talk and meet with the players. They would take Couch aside for a few minutes with some very friendly handshakes.

I'm not opposed to this. These kids, especially players like Couch, generate millions for their schools.

Of course UK ultimately got busted under Mumme. I just think it's always been hypocritical the way the NCAA did their business.

X school never suffers for anything, Y school does. No consistency or justice in it.

Your friend is full of bulls***.

Shouldn’t accuse someone third hand.
30,000 went at the same time.

 

[ShadowFromHomewardBound]

Amateur = Let's force Kids to be criminals by receiving $$ (that they NEED) for services rendered.

All the while, Coaches and Colleges and NCAA pad their pockets, using Sports to attract Students to attend.

This won't break the system.
It's the first step to fixing it.

College basketball will continue to decrease in viewership, popularity and media hype as it becomes more and more professionalized and glamorized.

 

[kybassfan]

Amateur = Let's force Kids to be criminals by receiving $$ (that they NEED) for services rendered.

All the while, Coaches and Colleges and NCAA pad their pockets, using Sports to attract Students to attend.

This won't break the system.
It's the first step to fixing it.

That’s crap. Nobody forcing athletes to be criminals. You clearly have no concept of the words or issues involve.

This won’t break the system. It will utterly destroy it.

 

[uky8unc5]

College basketball will continue to decrease in viewership, popularity and media hype as it becomes more and more professionalized and glamorized.

If it does, I won't like it.
But players deserve to share in the $$ bonanza colleges are raking in.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

If it does, I won't like it.
But players deserve to share in the $$ bonanza colleges are raking in.

Y’all act like college athletes are forced to sleep in boxes blanket-less and eat from the garbage. They get to stay in the nicest dorms, with cooks! They’re more privileged that the rest of college students already.

And the whole point of college ball is to prove you have what it takes to be payed for your talent.

 

[blubo]

If it does, I won't like it.
But players deserve to share in the $$ bonanza colleges are raking in.

Why? they already receive a share of the bonanza in the form of the perks, albeit a small share, as mentioned by the previous poster. the company i worked for made millions of dollars but it shared only a few of those dollars with me as part of our agreement. i agreed to come to work everyday and they agreed to give me a paycheck each week. would i have liked to had a bigger share? hell yes, but just because they were raking it in didn’t necessarily mean i deserved a bigger piece of the pie, even though i was helping them make those millions. my paycheck was my perk.
On the flip side i don’t really care what they get as long as it doesn’t come from taxpayers and it doesn’t cause an increase of tuitions for the common student.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Your friend is full of bulls***.

Shouldn’t accuse someone third hand.
30,000 went at the same time.

Doesn't matter to me if you believe it or not. YOu don't know him so what you think of it means nothing.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

College sports has been the Wild West for decades. It's just in the face of the people who believed the lie now.

You're barely 3 decades old. College sports, for the vast majority, was not the wild west.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I think these schools should pull away and form their own Org.

The NCAA had too much power and no accountability. Emmert just let UNC skate and we all know why.

I hate UNC but I dont think you know why. UNC committed gross academic fraud. The problem is, the NCAA only has rules to punish academic fraud if the member school admits it happened.

 

[GonzoCat90]

You're barely 3 decades old. College sports, for the vast majority, was not the wild west.

We had guys shaving points forty years before I was born.

Sixty years ago, UCLA bought a decade of championships with a coach they named the biggest award in the sport after.

Shoe companies have owned the coaches and programs and grass roots since before I was born.

Carolina sustained the sport's second greatest powerhouse on the back of university-wide academic fraud for decades.

Bobby Knight abused players and people on his way to becoming the winningest coach of all time when he retired.

The current winningest coach of all time has multiple scandals outright dismissed and god knows what else that's never come to light.

Kansas bought at least one title with Danny Manning and had Darrell Arthur on their only other. They're currently awaiting NCAA punishment again.

Louisville won two titles with the Camden Connection that became World Wide Wes, a guy who can pull every string you need pulled. Their most recent title was vacated.

Pick a program at the top of the sport and it's covered in slime. I'd bet you at least 50% of every Final Four in your lifetime is compromised somehow, and maybe more before you were born.

And football is *worse*

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

You've always confused isolated problems with widespread practice.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Didn't you use an idea posted as a Catpaw thread to declare that NIL had already reached the point of absurdity?

How is that how you approach one thing but dismiss at least 15 legitimately tainted titles that we're very publicly aware of as isolated?

How pervasive would it have to be before you'd consider it widespread?