Return core players shooting.

[mstateglfr]

In an attempt to put some numbers to the frustration many here seem to feel about our shooting as a team, below is a rundown of the core returning players from a shooting perspective. Its obvious some need to have the greenlight for shooting from deep revoked. Not saying they cant shoot at all from deep as its needed to spread out the defense, but a reduction in attempts is needed. Whats wild is that the players showed they can consistently make deep shots last season and its not like they suddenly lost the ability to shoot, but this is an epic stretch for a slump.




- Carter’s scoring is up and he is shooting more. 3 more shots per game which basically is how many less Q shoots each game. His overall FG% and 3pt5 ar both up.

- Q is scoring less this year, but also shooting it less. That’s understandable due to the increase in talent and he is actually scoring at a better % than last year. With that said, his 3pt shooting has dropped from 37.3% to 30%.

- Holman is taking the same number of shots overall per game and scoring much more efficiently. Impressive actually as his FG% is 66.7%! Shooting from deep is up from 24.5% to 66.7%(same as overall FG%).

- Peters has a horrific overall FG% and 3pt% so far. He dropped from 38.7% overall to 28.6% and his 3pt shooting went from 36.6% to 15.8%. Inexplicably, he is taking MORE 3pt shots this season than last year, even though he is making less than half as many as last season. His overall shots are up too vs last season.

- Stapleton is taking the same number of shots per game and making less. He went from 45.7% shooting to 34.4% this season. His 3pt shooting dropped from 33.3% to 10% so far this season.

- Wright is taking twice as many shots this season(while playing almost twice as many minutes) and making WAY less. He went from making 52.9% of his shots to 30% overall. His 3pt shooting dropped from 40.7% to .083% so far this season.


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So when you look at these returning 6 core shooters, their overall 3pt shooting has dropped from 35.4% to 31%. When you remove Carter and Holman, the remaining 4 players went from making 36.7% of their 3pt shots to only making 18.9% of their 3pt shots so far. 18.9% of their shots from deep this year?!?! Why the hell are they allowed to still shoot so much? Why the 17 has Peters been allowed to shoot EVEN MORE?!?!
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3pt shooting
’16-17 ’17-18
44-122 20-53 Carter
47-126 9-30 Q
12-49 14-21 Holman
59-161 6-38 Peters
18-54 1-10 Stapleton
11-27 1-12 Wright

 

[ShrubDog]

What is the free throw situation looking like. It doesn’t seem like we are getting to the line enough. One way to help out when struggling is to be more aggressive and get to the stripe.

 

[engie]

That's the thing -- we should be a lot better than we are at shooting the 3. Stapleton, Wright, and Peters are killing us offensively. It's one of the biggest regressions year over year I remember seeing.

If they just progress at a normal rate, we're in a much different place right now mentally as a fanbase. Per KenPom's advanced metrics our D has improved dramatically. And despite those guys' struggles, our O is virtually identical to what it was last year at this point. They've either got to get going -- or quit taking up minutes.

We are a top 30ish efficiency defense right now, adjusted for strength of schedule. Still hanging around 100 in the offensive version of the same equation...

 

[BiscuitEater]

It doesn’t seem like we are getting to the line enough. One way to help out when struggling is to be more aggressive and get to the stripe.

Bingo! We shot 6-8 FTs at Cincy. (Holman 1-2, Q 5-6) Not many chances of FTs when we are jacking up a 3 every time down!

Meanwhile, Cincy was 14 of 16.

 

[mstateglfr]

What is the free throw situation looking like. It doesn’t seem like we are getting to the line enough. One way to help out when struggling is to be more aggressive and get to the stripe.

We shot 19.6 FT per game last season.
We are shooting 17 FT per game this season.

We made 68.7% of FT last season.
We are making 71.2% of FT per game this season.


So taking a couple less FT each game and making slightly more.
We have effectively taken 23 less FT attempts this season compared to last.
We have effectively scored 16 less points of FT attempts this season compared to last(using last season's % and attempts).

 

[josebrown]

If we don’t change what we’ve been doing the last few games that 17 FT’s per game will drop a lot. We got to the line 8 times against Cincy vs their 16, and I think it was Dayton we got to the line 4 times total. We have to start getting to the free throw line again, then I think our 3pt percentage will start getting better.

We we have got to start shooting high percentage shots. We will make a higher percentage of them, and shoot more free throws. If we start making more of those shots it’s just normal our 3 ball will begin to drop at a higher percentage.

 

[ShrubDog]

Good work glfr

 

[pmack65]

Would you agree that Q's drop in numbers is due to him playing the point lately? That's a bad position for him we lose his ability to be a better scoring as he and Nick are about the only 2 who will consistently drive to the basket. He should be a 2 and stay there, IMO would improve his overall game

 

[KurtRambis4]

Not to shat

on him, but you do know all of these stats can be found on Sports Reference's website?

It's pretty much the go-to site for most information related to college (and some pro stuff).

 

[ShrubDog]

Geez man glfr finally did a good deed and you shat on him.

 

[mstateglfr]

Would you agree that Q's drop in numbers is due to him playing the point lately? That's a bad position for him we lose his ability to be a better scoring as he and Nick are about the only 2 who will consistently drive to the basket. He should be a 2 and stay there, IMO would improve his overall game

Perhaps his reduced scoring is due to being the primary ball handler. But it's also more than doubled his assist rate and he is assisting on over 2.5 more baskets this season.

There is a trade-off, perhaps.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Ha, i wasn't

really. I was just trying to pimp Sports Reference. It's amazing to me how many don't know about it.

 

[tcdog70]

That's the thing -- we should be a lot better than we are at shooting the 3. Stapleton, Wright, and Peters are killing us offensively. It's one of the biggest regressions year over year I remember seeing.

If they just progress at a normal rate, we're in a much different place right now mentally as a fanbase. Per KenPom's advanced metrics our D has improved dramatically. And despite those guys' struggles, our O is virtually identical to what it was last year at this point. They've either got to get going -- or quit taking up minutes.

We are a top 30ish efficiency defense right now, adjusted for strength of schedule. Still hanging around 100 in the offensive version of the same equation...

if those 3 would only shoot spot up 3s, I wouldn't have a problem with them shooting. They need to quit shooting 3s off the dribble. the inside out 3 is something we should be able to get every trip, if we are smart. Having your dribble with ball faking abilities would help their FG%.I think we are at our best when we scoring in transition and shoot 3s when we go inside out. Unless a Big Man steps forward and can catch and score in the post, then we need to shoot more 3's in my opinion. we lose to many possessions trying to throw it into Bigs that just turn it over--i would rather shoot a spot up three.

 

[KurtRambis4]

the inside out 3 is something we should be able to get every trip

This is something that has baffled me about this team. With the quickness of Nick and Lamar, I was extremely happy with what I perceived they would be capable of doing when driving. I knew it would present defenses many problems, having to collapse and leave guys on the perimeter open. However, we appear to not be interested in employing this trait at all. I don't understand it.

 

[engie]

if those 3 would only shoot spot up 3s, I wouldn't have a problem with them shooting. They need to quit shooting 3s off the dribble. the inside out 3 is something we should be able to get every trip, if we are smart. Having your dribble with ball faking abilities would help their FG%.I think we are at our best when we scoring in transition and shoot 3s when we go inside out. Unless a Big Man steps forward and can catch and score in the post, then we need to shoot more 3's in my opinion. we lose to many possessions trying to throw it into Bigs that just turn it over--i would rather shoot a spot up three.

Agreed 100%.

If we hit the bounce outs, it would also help open things up for our bigs, who are obviously not capable of beating double teams at this point...

 

[tcdog70]

Agreed 100%.

If we hit the bounce outs, it would also help open things up for our bigs, who are obviously not capable of beating double teams at this point...

when a Big passes back out, he should immediately get rebound position for a miss. Our bigs are pretty ****** offensive re bounders. pass out--box out--rebound--wtf-it ain't rocket surgery

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Agreed 100%.

If we hit the bounce outs, it would also help open things up for our bigs, who are obviously not capable of beating double teams at this point...

Why would anyone double team our bigs? I guess when you are playing the 287th ranked team in shooting threes, you can double team in the post as much as you want.

 

[tenureplan]

Could be...but to me it seems he is not getting near as much lift on his jump shots this year compared to the last two. It seems like he is almost shooting flat footed. That could be fatigue induced I guess.