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IBleedMaroonDawg

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It’s the cost to stay that makes it so difficult for me. I would much rather watch live as well, and we have been lucky to find a house to rent when it’s only my wife and i that we split with 3 other couples making it affordable. But if my kids want to go, it is a whole different ballgame. I feel like i get my money’s worth with tickets, driving to town, and eating at some favorite spots, but the hotel gouging is ridiculous. 2 night minimum so you’re looking at $600 for a weekend? That’s absurd. Yet, it’s hard as hell to get a room so supply and demand and all. They’ll keep getting it.


This is one of the reasons I haven't been back for a game in some time. What family I have left in Mississippi lives about 2 hrs away in either direction and the hotel avail and cost added to our long trip has not been appealing in the past.

I may still travel to Manhattan. Being an early game, I can stay somewhere back towards Texas that evening and it's actually a shorter drive from here.

The Golden Triangle has gotten a lot better since I was there last though, so I will make a trip this fall.
 
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I just think for large sporting events it's just gotten to be a total pain in the *** for me personally. I live in Houston so 2 or 3 years ago I got a driver to take 10 of us from our house to College Station for our game. 6 pm kickoff. Left Houston at 2 pm. Was back in my driveway at 2:30 am. College Station is an hour and half from my house. Not doing that **** again. TV's are too good now and you can watch multiple games. Hell a noon kickoff for Texans game is an all day event. Granted I have to entertain and work is paying for it but with $12 beers, food prices and a double Titos and soda for $28? I'm not even paying for it and I don't like doing it anymore.
 

DAWG61

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There really isn't a lot of intrigue. AL, Clemson, GA and Oklahoma will all probably make the playoff again. Aub, OH State and Wash may have a shot. It's getting boring having the same teams in the playoff all the
time.

I love college football but it really is absurd that only 8-10 fanbases get to have a shot at winning a natty each year. Maybe 1 outta those ten will drop off and 1 will replace them once a year but there really is no hope whatsoever for a natty for 120+ college teams. All those 120 teams have fans that spend lots of money every year to support their teams. It's ******** and CFB desperately needs to do something about it to even the field more for everyone.
 

RocketDawg

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Don't know how long it's been since you were there, but Starkville has several fairly new hotels. Of course, they're booked early for the games, but there's always the possibility of cancellations. Columbus has 3 or 4 new ones but it's on the wrong side of Starkville from Austin, and are booked too. How do you get from Austin to Starkville ... drive? That's quite a hike.
 

RocketDawg

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Thought it was going to be an Ole Miss link. :)

It's understandable when you look at their opponents for the games.
 

dotcomdawg

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Tuscaloosa, Hoover and Montgomery and the ease of the interstate/highway system from those cities. And the higher population in the state. And the constant national championship implications that each game brings.

I don’t know, just spitballing


In addition to 75 years of storied, winning tradition and a buttload of national championships in football, Alabama has 32K+ enrollment. MSU has 18k+ enrollment. They're cranking out almost twice the amount of alumni every year to fill seats.
 

Chesusdog

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This is the problem I have. It's a long drive from Baton Rouge and getting a hotel is a *****. Last time I ended up staying in a ****-hole in Columbus because the only place in town with rooms was the ghetto-fabulous Red Roof. The whole trip was just too damn expensive and too inconvenient. On your given football weekend I can spend far, far less and get a bunch of massive steaks and some Buffalo Trace, stay home and not deal with the people, the heat or the driving.

Don't get me wrong though. A game in DWS is an amazing experience, but given the costs it's not the sort of thing I can do more than once a year.
 

HotMop

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Lots of estrogen posts in this thread, lol. I wonder how Alabama manages to get butts in the seats?

Well, Saban is threatening student clubs every year that if they don't show he'll sell their seats to alumni, so there's that. Watch a UA game and you can see empty seats during most games.
 

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was finished with starkpatch about 5 years ago when my car was towed and it cost me $300 ransom to get it back
 

RocketDawg

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In addition to 75 years of storied, winning tradition and a buttload of national championships in football, Alabama has 32K+ enrollment. MSU has 18k+ enrollment. They're cranking out almost twice the amount of alumni every year to fill seats.

32000 undergrads, and another 6000 grad students. UAT has gotten large.
 

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Well Im probably in the minorty here but I attend every home game but I do have a tremendous advantage, I live in Starkville and don't have any children. My sons are married with kids so if the kids come down my wife usually stays home to be with them. Lived here for 25 years have missed only 2 home games. Love watching it live as a fan.
 
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Alabama has twice the population of Mississippi, only two major schools, and about a 10-1 sidewalk-fan-to-real-fan ratio. Let the start having 8-4 seasons and they'll drop back like everybody else. They really never fill up their stadium ... always a few empties in the upper reaches. And now they're planning on a capacity reduction.
This is the attitude that must change.

Mississippi only has too major schools too, yet many folks in south MS remain USM fans (plus sidewalk fans of another out-of-state SEC school), mainly because MSU or Ole Miss has never won enough to sway them. The biggest ground to be made up for MSU or OM is in South Mississippi. USM is not a major school, but we've created the notion that it is, and until people are given a reason to think otherwise, they'll still consider them that, mainly due to what they accomplished in the 80s.

It would be really nice for all those USM fans to double as MSU fans, like many of the UAB and Troy folks do.
 
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I just think for large sporting events it's just gotten to be a total pain in the *** for me personally. I live in Houston so 2 or 3 years ago I got a driver to take 10 of us from our house to College Station for our game. 6 pm kickoff. Left Houston at 2 pm. Was back in my driveway at 2:30 am. College Station is an hour and half from my house. Not doing that **** again. TV's are too good now and you can watch multiple games. Hell a noon kickoff for Texans game is an all day event. Granted I have to entertain and work is paying for it but with $12 beers, food prices and a double Titos and soda for $28? I'm not even paying for it and I don't like doing it anymore.
You just need to make 1-2 big trips, to Starkville. Don't stop going, that hurts MSU more than it helps.

And please, don't send your kids to A&M. Send them to MSU. Big alumni base in Houston so they'll feel at home.
 

Go Budaw

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I love college football but it really is absurd that only 8-10 fanbases get to have a shot at winning a natty each year. Maybe 1 outta those ten will drop off and 1 will replace them once a year but there really is no hope whatsoever for a natty for 120+ college teams. All those 120 teams have fans that spend lots of money every year to support their teams. It's ******** and CFB desperately needs to do something about it to even the field more for everyone.

I understand and agree with most of what you are saying, but as it relates to the subject at hand (declining attendance), a fix to level the playing field would only make that problem worse. The only fix to allow for more parity in the game is somewhere between an 8 and 16 team playoff. There is no other solution. Do that, and ALL of the regular season games mean even less, therefore reducing the incentive to be in the stadium for many fans. Even the biggest games become much smaller in mass appeal.

Now, would I care if all that happened? Hell no. I’d much rather have the declining attendance and MSU having a shot to play for the NC. And I can tell you with 100% certainty that MSU will never play for a football NC in a thousand lifetimes as long as there is even a 4-team playoff. 8 or 16 teams? Different story.
 

patdog

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was finished with starkpatch about 5 years ago when my car was towed and it cost me $300 ransom to get it back
You really have only yourself to blame. That's what happens with you park in a no parking zone.
 

LilSebastian

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A lot of grads came out in the middle of the recession were able to swing it for a few years, but now they’re having kids and wanting houses. They’re working 50 hours a week and not making much. Most of my friends just can’t prioritize such expensive recreation in such a backwards economy and there’s no end in sight.
 

SirBarksalot

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Must say I’m a little surprised by the replies in this thread. Sounds sad, considering the uber hype for this team, this season..

I haven’t been to a game since 2006. Would love to go back and see the new stadium.
The 9 hour drive and no where to stay says no.
 

coach66

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I have a solution for many of you, buy my old condo. Excellent buy.

I spend a lot of coin in Starkvegas every year and it began back in 2010. Up until that time I had rarely gone to games and even visited Starkville because I was busy with kids soccer and other sports. I can honestly say I feel pretty good about the money we spend every year and a lot of it goes to help the University which I love. I have a lot of choices on how I could be spending that money but Starkvegas works well for my family.
 
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Must say I’m a little surprised by the replies in this thread. Sounds sad, considering the uber hype for this team, this season..

I haven’t been to a game since 2006. Would love to go back and see the new stadium.
The 9 hour drive and no where to stay says no.
You can't make one trip per year? Plenty of hotels in Tupelo.
 
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I spend a lot of coin in Starkvegas every year and it began back in 2010. Up until that time I had rarely gone to games and even visited Starkville because I was busy with kids soccer and other sports. I can honestly say I feel pretty good about the money we spend every year and a lot of it goes to help the University which I love. I have a lot of choices on how I could be spending that money but Starkvegas works well for my family.
This is sort of my view. If I'm going to spend money, I'd rather it be in Starkville. And let's not get it twisted, people are going to spend money somewhere, so if they don't go to games, they'll blow it going out to eat in whatever place it is that they live. Sure I can't tell everyone what to do with their money, but I wish more people were as committed to MSU and you and I seem to be.
 

engie

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Agreed.

I've spent a ridiculous amount this year and none of it has been toward anything that continues my ability to do it longterm, but I think it's going to be a historic season, and I want to be there for practically all of it. The trips I'm having trouble justifying at this point is to Manhattan and Lexington. And the only reason I'm having trouble there is under the projection that, if this season goes how I hope, Baton Rouge and Tuscaloosa will be absolute must attend road games.
 

dawgstudent

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That's a ******** response. Some people just can't afford to go. People actually do make budgets.
 
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That's a ******** response. Some people just can't afford to go. People actually do make budgets.
No it's not. Who can't afford to go to 1-2 games per year? If you wanted to tell me not everyone can afford club level season tickets with a parking pass, I'd believe you.

If we want results, we as fans need to do our part. That's why, again (if you read my first post in this thread), I often go to the cheaper games.

I just see this in a different light. I'm all about the greater good for MSU (and thus, us as fans), not JUST my own selfish entertainment.
 

patdog

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My 4-game ticket package cost $79. No added fees. I checked out for $138 for 2 tickets. And there are some reasonable hotel deals near Starkville if you need a hotel and you look for them. If people really wanted to go, most could. That said, I understand why people are choosing not to go.
 

SirBarksalot

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You can't make one trip per year? Plenty of hotels in Tupelo.
Driving 9 hours each way with a kid in tow, only to stay in Tupelo is definitely not happening. Shounds like people a lot closer than me don’t even put forth the effort which is surprising.

When I lived in Jackson, I had season tickets btw, and went to most every game. Also wasn’t married and didn’t have a kid.
 

Dawgg

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And I can tell you with 100% certainty that MSU will never play for a football NC in a thousand lifetimes as long as there is even a 4-team playoff. 8 or 16 teams? Different story.

I flatly refuse to believe this. The 2014 team had all the tools and the opportunity in place to make the 4 team cut and, even with a 5 point loss against Alabama, could have with a convincing win over Ole Miss (which should have, but did not, happen).

I'm sorry, but there's no reason that Clemson can do it and Mississippi State can't.

Go look at the 10 or 11 years before Dabo took over. That would be Tommy West's last season or two through the Tommy Bowden years.
It looks a hell of a lot like the 10 or 11 years before Morehead did. Croom's last season or two through the Mullen years.
Both follow a similar trajectory...
Both are an upward trajectory...
Both are about 7.5 wins and 5 losses averaged...

And, for 17's sake, if we're throwing in Washington as one of the 'haves', they're 10 years removed from an 0-12 season... that's 0-12 on the field... not vacated wins or forfeits.

I'm not saying State is going to be in the hunt on a regular basis, but to say that it will never happen in 1,000 lifetimes is absurd.
 

Dawgg

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I love going, no matter the opponent. But football gets tough when you have multiple small children.

On the other hand, my 5 y/o daughter has loved the women's basketball games. She told me the other day that she wanted to play "girl basketball at Mississippi Stake." (This was shortly after she heard Ole Miss mentioned on a podcast while we were driving through campus and said, "Silly radio, this is not Ole Miss.")

That's adorable. My 5 year old daughter has really enjoyed the Women's basketball games (and volleyball matches) as well and has told me the exact same things about both teams. We live in Texas and both of those teams seem to make a trip to DFW/Austin/College Station each year.

Honestly, anytime there's been a Mississippi State team playing in Texas or Oklahoma the past few years, we're generally there:
VB vs SMU and Texas A&M
SB vs OU
Soccer vs TCU and SFA
BB in Houston
MBK vs Baylor
WBK vs A&M and the 2017 Sweet 16, Elite 8, Final 4, and NC in Dallas

That being said, I have three (12, 9, and 5) in soccer right now, and I can count the number of their games I've missed on a hand and a half and I just can't bring myself to miss their games to drive (or fly or take a train or whatever) across the country to go watch State. I want to start taking them to the football game against A&M in College Station every other year, but A&M being a division foe... those tickets are too damn high and there's too damn much maintenance to drag 3 kids (alone, I'm divorced) all the way down there so they can sit in the nosebleeds and not see anything.

My parents live in Corinth, so I try to go down to Starkville and catch a few games while I'm home. My girlfriend wants to take in a game at Davis Wade soon, so I'm hoping to make that happen at some point this year, but if nothing else, we'll all be at the Egg Bowl next season.
 

OrrDawg

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I don't go to them games no more. When I did, ever body keptstanding up in front of me and no matter how loud I hollered down in front,they wouldn’t. I never got to see a touchdown for the whole times I went overthe years. All I ever saw was a line of butts. Some of them butts on some of themgals was nice and tight and I didn’t mind them so much. But all the others remindedme of a hitch of mules. I finally come to the conclusion that if that’s all Iwas going to see for my money then I just as wells to stay home and plow thegarden.<o:p></o:p>
 

johnson86-1

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This is the attitude that must change.

Mississippi only has too major schools too, yet many folks in south MS remain USM fans (plus sidewalk fans of another out-of-state SEC school), mainly because MSU or Ole Miss has never won enough to sway them. The biggest ground to be made up for MSU or OM is in South Mississippi. USM is not a major school, but we've created the notion that it is, and until people are given a reason to think otherwise, they'll still consider them that, mainly due to what they accomplished in the 80s.

It would be really nice for all those USM fans to double as MSU fans, like many of the UAB and Troy folks do.

Mississippi has only two major schools, but for people who are 50 and older, there were three major schools when they were growing up, and obviously a lot of your older crowd is affluent, so we are still missing some of that crowd.

In contrast, UAB started its football (as Div. III) in 1991 and didn't become Div-I until 1996, and even then University of Alabama Board continually hamstrung it just to make sure it never presented a threat. Troy didn't become Div I until 2001.
 

johnson86-1

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You can't make one trip per year? Plenty of hotels in Tupelo.

Driving to a game and staying in Tupelo sounds 17ing miserable. If I were going to drive an hour after the game, I could go ahead and drive three or four hours if it's after a night game or longer if it's after a day game. At the very least, I'd honestly just as soon drive to Memphis or Birmingham or Jackson, depending on which direction was home.
 

Go Budaw

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I flatly refuse to believe this. The 2014 team had all the tools and the opportunity in place to make the 4 team cut and, even with a 5 point loss against Alabama, could have with a convincing win over Ole Miss (which should have, but did not, happen).

I'm sorry, but there's no reason that Clemson can do it and Mississippi State can't.

Go look at the 10 or 11 years before Dabo took over. That would be Tommy West's last season or two through the Tommy Bowden years.
It looks a hell of a lot like the 10 or 11 years before Morehead did. Croom's last season or two through the Mullen years.
Both follow a similar trajectory...
Both are an upward trajectory...
Both are about 7.5 wins and 5 losses averaged...

And, for 17's sake, if we're throwing in Washington as one of the 'haves', they're 10 years removed from an 0-12 season... that's 0-12 on the field... not vacated wins or forfeits.

I'm not saying State is going to be in the hunt on a regular basis, but to say that it will never happen in 1,000 lifetimes is absurd.

I don’t know anyone who is throwing in Washington as a “have”, but they at least have a NC they can claim in the last 30 years as well as a CFP appearance a few years ago. Clemson has an 85,000 seat stadium and had a NC in the 80’s...well before Dabo got there. Plenty of history there. As for MSU, there is about 5 decades worth of data that says we have a chinaman’s chance in hell of even winning the SEC, let alone the whole thing without getting hot in a single elimination setting. And as far as 2014 is concerned, we were soundly beaten by Bama, regardless of the late TD. Beating OM wasn’t going to get us in since we still wouldn’t have even made Atlanta (although we could have gotten in with a win over Bama and loss to OM). That was the best season we’ve had since the 40’s, and we only finished 8th before the CFP selections and not even Top 10 after the bowl games.

Winning it all now requires finishing in the Top 4 at the end of the regular season....The playoff needs to expand for us to have a shot. The same thing goes for 90% of the other teams in FBS college football and probably 70-75% of the other Power 5 teams. We aren’t alone by any means in our current predicament.
 
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PubDawg

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If they ever start to dial back all the government backed student loans the house of cards is really gonna start to crumble.
That’s the real crux of a lot of the extra cost of college is that it’s “free” for way too many folks. If the next generation doesn’t find a huge value in an education, enrollment will tank... and there will be quite a lot of great parking, and plenty of dorm rooms. I’ll hang up and listen.

ETA <twitter>https://twitter.com/mikelevinca/status/1034529706865963008</twitter>
 
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I believe cost is a major driver...

in many cases (NFL), but I err on the side of growing convenience at home and the rising expectations of such (including generational changes) with a lack matching convenience growth at DWS as a bigger driver for State.

From my personal experiences:
We bought Club seats in 2001. Kept them for years, and even suggested at one point to the BC that the price needed to increase (from $1,000 to $1,250).
What I didn't suggest was that they cram more people in the same space. Once they added the seats along the windows and pulled the chairs from most tables, my days in the East CL were numbered...the facilities became overcrowded and the convenience of short bathroom waits, a place to sit in the air conditioning/heat, and easy access to watch other games all suffered. When they kicked up the cost to $1,750 and opened up the possibility of reseating, I was done with sitting over there.

Now, we're in the 200s. I have the bathroom access, viewing of other games thanks to my phone, and the price point is much more reasonable. Throw in better protection from the weather than on the east side, and I'm much happier.

Honestly, though, I wouldn't pay much more for the same amenities...I'd probably stay at home (or drop to the 100s) rather than pay more for a new Club. At this point I keep dealing with increasingly annoying little entrance requirements (clear bags for the girls, metal detectors, etc), buying food from vendors that means I have to plan ahead or risk them running out of food (happened at several games over the past couple of seasons), good traffic flow being apparently an unsolvable puzzle...these are all things that start to add up. If a season ticket holder since graduation (at the height of the Sherrill era), and who has already gotten his kids through the worst stages to attend games, is thinking these thoughts, I can see why attendance is suffering.

From my perspective, if they want to save attendance and the associated gameday atmosphere, State needs to assume the per-game profit is going to drop and:
1. Replace the bench seats stadium-wide with chairbacks (and yes, I realize there will be ADA difficulties per the GP staff questioning MSU staff)
2. Rework the west side not with an additional club level, but with an updated version of the 100s\200s, and keep the price point below the endzone Club
3. Revamp the remaining traditional concession stands' food lineup

If you really want to go hog-wild, also look at structural possibilities for large-scale protection from the weather.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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Don't know how long it's been since you were there, but Starkville has several fairly new hotels. Of course, they're booked early for the games, but there's always the possibility of cancellations. Columbus has 3 or 4 new ones but it's on the wrong side of Starkville from Austin, and are booked too. How do you get from Austin to Starkville ... drive? That's quite a hike.

That's why I haven't been there in about 7 or 8 years. That and working two jobs for so long.

If I am able to come this year I'll let you know cuz. We can meet at the Sixpack tailgate.