Regarding the block/charge rule....

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

Since a string of threads last week, I've been thinking more and more about the block/charge rule, which I have long supported. I don't think that the rule, as written, is a bad one. It's clearly written and is fairly easy to understand.

However, I'm convinced that the referees are just not up to the challenge of properly enforcing it without instant replay. And it turns out they get it wrong, most of the time.

Because of that, I'd like to hear practical suggestions on how common collisions would be handled if the rules were changed.

Specifically, how would collisions in the paint be handled? Would the defender automatically get a defensive foul for impeding progress to the basket? If so, defenders would have to "OLE!" & get out of the way, and scores would go through the roof (not saying that's a bad thing).

There'd be a lot more pressure on perimeter defenders to stay in front of their man while preventing any contact (unless more contact and hand checking was allowed without foul, i.e. going back to the Jordan era).

I was also strongly against the NFL rule changes that have basically hamstrung defensive backs, but I'll admit that I've enjoyed the offensive explosion that it has created.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

 

[wk1001]

Quit rewarding flops. Id be willing to bet 90% of the time the defensive player falls the call is a charge. They need to go back to the rule the way it was in the 80's and 90's. The defensive player must actually have their feet set. That would open up the game dramatically. College basketball would be so much more fun to watch then watching 10-12 offensive fouls each game. I also believe Refs get off a little on making the charge call

 

[RunninRichie]

all you have to do is grab your nuts and fall and the refs call it every time.

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

There needs to be a point of emphasis for referees that a defender must be clearly set (or going purely vertical) to draw a charge. Obviously things like an offensive player lowering a shoulder or using a forearm to fend off can still be offensive fouls, but it needs to be made explicit to refs that the bar for drawing a charge must be higher.

 

[J. Shellacque]

all you have to do is grab your nuts and fall and the refs call it every time.

Funny but true.

 

[gamecockcat]

Refs need to hold their whistle more often. Just because a body hits the ground doesn't mean that there's been a foul (see: flopping). Quit anticipating contact and making the call before the play actually occurs. Make sure the defensive player is set before contact. The rule, as written, is fine, imo. The officials are not consistent in the way they make the call which confuses players, coaches and fans when one official calls it one way and another on the same crew calls it another way. Having officiated before, it's a very tough call to get right and, almost always, there is one coach screaming his *** off at you whichever way you call it.

 

[mustnotsleepnow]

Completely get rid of the secondary defender taking a charge. No more sliding under driving players. No more moving in front of a player and falling down.

Only time a charge should be called is when the driver FULLY extends his arm and shoves the guy down.

Too often, less athletic players are rewarded for not playing real defense.

 

[Crawfords Corner]

The Secondary defender charge rewards bad defense. It's a terrible part of the rule and should be abolished immediately. If you can gain defensive advantage one on one and the offensive player bowls you over or pushes off then they should be penalized. If the man you are guarding beats you and forces another defender to leave their man to defend you it makes no sense to penalize the offense for bad defense. Standing still should not be considered "good" defensive positioning.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

There needs to be a point of emphasis for referees that a defender must be clearly set (or going purely vertical) to draw a charge. Obviously things like an offensive player lowering a shoulder or using a forearm to fend off can still be offensive fouls, but it needs to be made explicit to refs that the bar for drawing a charge must be higher.

great points by all. I think so far this is the one I think has the best chance of succeeding.

 

[Lempface]

Secondary defenders only have the option to block the shot or alter it and any meaningful contact is a foul. Primary defender can get the call if the offensive player truly bowls them over or uses shoulder or arm to push off.

Based on my perception of the rule it should be something in the neighborhood of 95% blocks and 5% charges. Seems like it’s currently 70% charge, 30% block which just makes the product suffer as people want to see scoring.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

Secondary defenders only have the option to block the shot or alter it and any meaningful contact is a foul. Primary defender can get the call if the offensive player truly bowls them over or uses shoulder or arm to push off.

Based on my perception of the rule it should be something in the neighborhood of 95% blocks and 5% charges. Seems like it’s currently 70% charge, 30% block which just makes the product suffer as people want to see scoring.

I think your percentages are a little wacky, but I like the way you're thinking.

 

[fatguy87]

We are mostly annoyed by the charge/block call because we have an inordinate amount of charges called against us.

We could recognize the state of the game in reference to how that rule is applied, and you know, maybe play in a way that mitigates the impact of the referee's decision? Sometimes it's like the opponent is just standing there and waiting for us to barrel them over.

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

We are mostly annoyed by the charge/block call because we have an inordinate amount of charges called against us.

We could recognize the state of the game in reference to how that rule is applied, and you know, maybe play in a way that mitigates the impact of the referee's decision? Sometimes it's like the opponent is just standing there and waiting for us to barrel them over.

Mintz drew a charge in the last game that I immediately said "well that's bs but I'll take it." He jumped in front of the guy to get run into. That should be a block. The enforcement of the rule is the problem.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

We are mostly annoyed by the charge/block call because we have an inordinate amount of charges called against us.

We could recognize the state of the game in reference to how that rule is applied, and you know, maybe play in a way that mitigates the impact of the referee's decision? Sometimes it's like the opponent is just standing there and waiting for us to barrel them over.

You raise a great point. Ironically, Duke suffers from the same this year.....i.e. their athletic wings are continually barreling over defenders. I bet K is just beside himself. At least Cal is used to seeing that nonsense.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

Mintz drew a charge in the last game that I immediately said "well that's bs but I'll take it." He jumped in front of the guy to get run into. That should be a block. The enforcement of the rule is the problem.

Damn right. That was easily a block, but we were so happy to finally get a call.....

 

[mrdavisanddd]

Refs need to hold their whistle more often. Just because a body hits the ground doesn't mean that there's been a foul (see: flopping). Quit anticipating contact and making the call before the play actually occurs. Make sure the defensive player is set before contact. The rule, as written, is fine, imo. The officials are not consistent in the way they make the call which confuses players, coaches and fans when one official calls it one way and another on the same crew calls it another way. Having officiated before, it's a very tough call to get right and, almost always, there is one coach screaming his *** off at you whichever way you call it.

Also when they do see flopping they need to call it and quit giving warnings

 

[wk1001]

In 2016 our game vs IU in the 2nd round it felt like we were called for 15 offensive fouls in the second half alone. No rhythm or flow to a game when the refs keep rewarding the defense for falling down