Recruiting

[Caliknight]

You could live with this impotent display of football if you knew recruits were on the way.

Unfortunately, it’s going to get worse before it gets better. Buckle up folks.

 

[78CollegeAve]

Hey, c’mon, Ash continues to upgrade the talent — getting a WR from UMaine, a JuCo LB who turned down ODU and a walkon QB with offers from St. Anselm’s and New Haven.

I mean, what other team in the B1G East can say that?

 

[Caliknight]

Ash will someday, sadly, leave the program worse than he found it.

 

[JoeRU0304]

...hey, if he’s coming back, I almost want see just how low this thing can go. I almost want this to make the Shea years look like Bama’s current run just to see what Hobbs and Ash say.


Joe P.

 

[graystork]

Ash will someday, sadly, leave the program worse than he found it.

The hard part's already done. All he has to do is leave.

 

[Caliknight]

I disagree. It can and will get worse. Wait until Ash gets all his recruits here.

 

[78CollegeAve]

Barchi wants RU to be the Northwestern of the East. So, who is the better coach than Ash to mangle a program and lose 34 straight like NW did in 1979-82?

Eleven down and 23 to go.

 

[ashokan]

Maybe pull a page from Ron Zook recruiting manual. Take recruits out on long boat rides with a bunch of thots lol.

 

[mikershoein]

Ash will someday, sadly, leave the program worse than he found it.

Didn’t think that was possible, but it’s looking that way

 

[Yeah Baby]

...hey, if he’s coming back, I almost want see just how low this thing can go. I almost want this to make the Shea years look like Bama’s current run just to see what Hobbs and
Joe P.

That’s funny. I would much rather see him win 10 games and leave the program for a crappy NFL team. I like when my team wins.

 

[Rokodesh]

Hey, c’mon, Ash continues to upgrade the talent — getting a WR from UMaine, a JuCo LB who turned down ODU and a walkon QB with offers from St. Anselm’s and New Haven.

I mean, what other team in the B1G East can say that?

You’re complaining about two walk ons and a juco linebacker? How many offers did khaseeme Greene or bless Austin have? Shitting on them without ever having seen them play is stupid and one of the reasons I hate this ******* message board

 

[koleszar]

You could live with this impotent display of football if you knew recruits were on the way.

Unfortunately, it’s going to get worse before it gets better. Buckle up folks.

I think I'm going to unbuckle and crash through the windshield on this one. I've come to the point where I loath the sight of Ash and despise the sound of his voice. Even when I read his name, I'm overcome with a feeling of resentfulness. It's time for me to stop caring so much and just walk away.

 

[JoeRU0304]

That’s funny. I would much rather see him win 10 games and leave the program for a crappy NFL team. I like when my team wins.

When it comes to this staff winning 10 games on a season you can wish in one hand, crap in the other and see which one fills up first.


Joe P.

 

[KingHigh]

Recruit Duane Featherstone. At least he learned to catch

 

[Yeah Baby]

When it comes to this staff winning 10 games on a season you can wish in one hand, crap in the other and see which one fills up first.


Joe P.

Heard the same stuff when Schiano started 3-20 and got blown out by Buffanova.

 

[JoeRU0304]

Heard the same stuff when Schiano started 3-20 and got blown out by Buffanova.

I forgot when Schiano went 1-11 in Year 3, lost 11 in a row, had a starting QB that threw for 890 yards and 18 picks in 11 games while averaging 9 points a game on offense...


Joe P.

 

[BlockR]

When it comes to this staff winning 10 games on a season you can wish in one hand, crap in the other and see which one fills up first.


Joe P.

Heard the same stuff when Schiano started 3-20 and got blown out by Buffanova.

Come to Rutgers,we have the nations longest losing streak ,but we beat Texas State!

 

[Yeah Baby]

I forgot when Schiano went 1-11 in Year 3, lost 11 in a row, had a starting QB that threw for 890 yards and 18 picks in 11 games while averaging 9 points a game on offense...


Joe P.

You forgot Teel had 10 picks in 100 pass attempts as a redshirt freshman.

 

[JoeRU0304]

You forgot Teel had 10 picks in 100 pass attempts as a redshirt freshman.

...and eventually got pulled in game 7 so the senior QB could lead us to a bowl game.

Nope, remember that quite well.


Joe P.

 

[Yeah Baby]

...and eventually got pulled in game 7 so the senior QB could lead us to a bowl game.

Nope, remember that quite well.


Joe P.

Right but that got Teel ready for the 2006 season. It was perfect. There was no bowl game for us this season.

Listen you can root for us to lose. I will root for us to win. Winners like to win.

 

[JoeRU0304]

Right but that got Teel ready for the 2006 season. It was perfect. There was no bowl game for us this season.

Listen you can root for us to lose. I will root for us to win. Winners like to win.

Oh cut the s*** with your last holier than thou remark. You know full well I don’t ‘want’ Rutgers to lose; you just seem to think blind loyalty to coaches somehow makes you a ‘better fan’. Newsflash- it doesn’t.

...and comparing Teel playing about 40% of the 2005 to help prepare him for the future to what happened with Sitkowski this year is almost laughable. I think you know that too.


Joe P.

 

[bdodger3]

Fans are justified in their anger and frustration. Fans, however, have a very different perspective than the President and the BOG regarding what is in the best interests of RU on the whole. Their view is that the long term academic success of RU is far more important than the football team. This view is also held by a number of substantial donors to sports programs. One example is the Rodkin donation. That donation was motivated primarily by their interest in improving the academic performance of student athletes. Neither they nor several other big time donors are interested in paying coaches salaries or buy outs.

If the football team is unsuccessful for several years it is not an issue that overly troubles the BOG or several donors. Their focus is on building up a much stronger academic institution. And they are doing that and have well thought out plans to further elevate the school. If we lose millions in ticket sales it is not a huge concern.

That is not likely to change in the short term. As fans of sports it maybe frustrating, but it is the mind set of the folks who manage the institution. They are not trying to lose but the football team is simply not a priority. It is certain acceptable for fans to walk away but it will not alter the goals of the folks who matter.

 

[Yeah Baby]

...hey, if he’s coming back, I almost want see just how low this thing can go. I almost want this to make the Shea years look like Bama’s current run just to see what Hobbs and Ash say.


Joe P.

Here in case you forgot what you said and what I said back to you is right below this. I want to win. You can trash the coaches and players and I will root for them. If that makes me holler than you it really doesn’t make me so great because you set the bar pretty low with this comment. Now grow up and talk to me when you’re not stomping your feet.

 

[Debtbubble]

They are not trying to lose? Sure seems that way. Complete incompetence and gross mismanagement.

That’s fine they will never get another dime from me ever. Good luck.

 

[JoeRU0304]

Here in case you forgot what you said and what I said back to you is right below this. I want to win. You can trash the coaches and players and I will root for them. If that makes me holler than you it really doesn’t make me so great because you set the bar pretty low with this comment. Now grow up and talk to me when you’re not stomping your feet.

I know exactly what I said; *almost* was pretty clearly stated. Anyone who knows me knows how much I love Rutgers, which is why I don’t blindly follow coaches who are sinking the program. You pulled the same crap when Flood was leading us towards NCAA sanctions. For you, blindly supporting a coach no matter what = ‘being a good fan’. I couldn’t disagree more. I’m a Rutgers fan, but that doesn’t mean I need to blindly support every decision.


Joe P.

 

[RUaMoose_rivals]

I forgot when Schiano went 1-11 in Year 3, lost 11 in a row, had a starting QB that threw for 890 yards and 18 picks in 11 games while averaging 9 points a game on offense...


Joe P.

You probably forgot when any coach won less than five games in year 3 because it hasn't happened

 

[78CollegeAve]

You’re complaining about two walk ons and a juco linebacker? How many offers did khaseeme Greene or bless Austin have? Shitting on them without ever having seen them play is stupid and one of the reasons I hate this ****ing message board

I’ll see your Khaseeme Greene with Eric Margolis and raise your Bless Austin with Kobe Marfoe and Tank Lopez. Gee, surprised that you didn’t reach back for O’Hara and Brackett.

Look, after 3 years, it’s clear that Ash has FAILED at his primary task - raising the talent level on the roster. We’re left with talking about walkons and a JuCo because Ash and his staff are stalled on 11 commitments because they’ve run out of their Plan A, B and C kids. Not crapping on kids, but taking a well-deserved mother of all dueces on Ash for mismanagement.

 

[Knightmoves]

Fans are justified in their anger and frustration. Fans, however, have a very different perspective than the President and the BOG regarding what is in the best interests of RU on the whole. Their view is that the long term academic success of RU is far more important than the football team.

If the football team is unsuccessful for several years it is not an issue that overly troubles the BOG or several donors. Their focus is on building up a much stronger academic institution. And they are doing that and have well thought out plans to further elevate the school. If we lose millions in ticket sales it is not a huge concern.

That is not likely to change in the short term. As fans of sports it maybe frustrating, but it is the mind set of the folks who manage the institution. They are not trying to lose but the football team is simply not a priority. It is certain acceptable for fans to walk away but it will not alter the goals of the folks who matter.

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Well written bdodger3. Many of us fans have not analyzed the situation as you have. And what you say makes sense. Athletics is a small part of Rutgers, and our current administration treats it that way. That isn’t good news for fans of the program until we have a different administration who wants to invest in the FB program.

And the comment “If we lose millions in ticket sales it is not a huge concern” shows that season ticket holders have no leverage with RU. Hobbs and Barchi certainly know that ticket sales will be down next season and appear willing to accept that as a cost of doing business. Now that RU has gained admittance into the B1G why do they have to invest more than the minimum in the FB program? The answer is that they don’t.

Sobering thoughts for this RU fan today. Good post.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Not just the lack of recruiting.Its the decommits and transfers to come.

 

[rufeelinit]

Fans are justified in their anger and frustration. Fans, however, have a very different perspective than the President and the BOG regarding what is in the best interests of RU on the whole. Their view is that the long term academic success of RU is far more important than the football team. This view is also held by a number of substantial donors to sports programs. One example is the Rodkin donation. That donation was motivated primarily by their interest in improving the academic performance of student athletes. Neither they nor several other big time donors are interested in paying coaches salaries or buy outs.

If the football team is unsuccessful for several years it is not an issue that overly troubles the BOG or several donors. Their focus is on building up a much stronger academic institution. And they are doing that and have well thought out plans to further elevate the school. If we lose millions in ticket sales it is not a huge concern.

That is not likely to change in the short term. As fans of sports it maybe frustrating, but it is the mind set of the folks who manage the institution. They are not trying to lose but the football team is simply not a priority. It is certain acceptable for fans to walk away but it will not alter the goals of the folks who matter.

If true, what you wrote in your first paragraph is actually refreshing to me and I have no problem with that being the primary focus. I would not be warm to a request by the by the AD, who made the colossal mistake in hiring an inept coach, to make a significant contribution towards getting rid of him.

What the rest of your post suggests is that the administration sees no value to a successful athletic program (particularly football) in marketing the school to improve the admission standards of the university. I thought it clear that the quality of admitted students increased when the football team was having its most successful period. These should be viewed as complementary objectives to improve the overall reputation of the university and thus make it more attractive both locally and nationally.

It takes a vision to maximize all avenues to improve the reputation of the university. This administration seems willing to tolerate more bad press (or indifference) related to athletics, which is likely greater than the positive press from purely academic achievements. Not saying that is right but likely true.

 

[rutgersac88]

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Well written bdodger3. Many of us fans have not analyzed the situation as you have. And what you say makes sense. Athletics is a small part of Rutgers, and our current administration treats it that way. That isn’t good news for fans of the program until we have a different administration who wants to invest in the FB program.

And the comment “If we lose millions in ticket sales it is not a huge concern” shows that season ticket holders have no leverage with RU. Hobbs and Barchi certainly know that ticket sales will be down next season and appear willing to accept that as a cost of doing business. Now that RU has gained admittance into the B1G why do they have to invest more than the minimum in the FB program? The answer is that they don’t.

Sobering thoughts for this RU fan today. Good post.

If they don't care about losing millions in ticket sales, why would they care about losing millions in a buyout and putting an end to this disaster? Then, they won't lose as mush in ticket sales and donations, concessions, application fees, etc. The guy is in over his head. Hobbs made a mistake. Keeping him will cost more.

 

[RickB113]

If true, what you wrote in your first paragraph is actually refreshing to me and I have no problem with that being the primary focus. I would not be warm to a request by the by the AD, who made the colossal mistake in hiring an inept coach, to make a significant contribution towards getting rid of him.

What the rest of your post suggests is that the administration sees no value to a successful athletic program (particularly football) in marketing the school to improve the admission standards of the university. I thought it clear that the quality of admitted students increased when the football team was having its most successful period. These should be viewed as complementary objectives to improve the overall reputation of the university and thus make it more attractive both locally and nationally.

It takes a vision to maximize all avenues to improve the reputation of the university. This administration seems willing to tolerate more bad press (or indifference) related to athletics, which is likely greater than the positive press from purely academic achievements. Not saying that is right but likely true.

The problem with the post is that there is NO reason you can’t do both. Absolutely none. You can and should focus on academics and you can and should focus on athletics. They are both important. Obviously academics more but again you can be good at both and should be. The buyout is a minuscule number in the overall scheme of things.

 

[shields]

Ron Girault was a last minute offer and also did well.

 

[yesrutgers01]

The problem with the post is that there is NO reason you can’t do both. Absolutely none. You can and should focus on academics and you can and should focus on athletics. They are both important. Obviously academics more but again you can be good at both and should be. The buyout is a minuscule number in the overall scheme of things.

I agree that Barchi and the BOG is so ******* short sighted that they only care about academics and could care less about football. (and for educated men, this sort of boggles my mind as we would not be in the B1G without football). And as Rick says, why can't we do both? Even if we don't get to Schiano level with academics with the football team, that is not going to drag down our school in academic perception.
This is why I always felt that from day 1, Barchi should have been brought in as a consultant for the merger and not as the President.

 

[yesrutgers01]

In regard to recruiting...I have a slightly different view after the last few games...Our defense was night and day better after Ash took it over. Dare say, it became pretty damn good and yesterday it became borderline great. And that was on national TV.
Ash has always been viewed as a top defensive mind and has the ring and pedigree that should impress. In prior years, if I am a top Defensive recruit, I would not have come here as we looked pathetic. But over the past few weeks, I may have just changed my mind. We have players with little experience, maybe not perfect size, not the highest rankings etc, playing lights out. Damn, yesterday alone we had at least 3 seniors that may have showcased themselves into draft consideration. Then you see Batekly, Tverdov, Young, Fogg Turner, Lumor and start to see that maybe this defense has a chance to make some noise in the next few years. So...my point is this, ASH, if you can't pull any defensive players off your pedigree and how this D played the 2nd half of the year, then you just CAN'T recruit.
And please let JM handle the offense next year..

 

[brookdale-soda]

Maybe we pick up.some solid assistants who can recruit off the coaching carousel. Have them bring some recruits along.

 

[JoeRU0304]

In regard to recruiting...I have a slightly different view after the last few games...Our defense was night and day better after Ash took it over. Dare say, it became pretty damn good and yesterday it became borderline great. And that was on national TV.
Ash has always been viewed as a top defensive mind and has the ring and pedigree that should impress. In prior years, if I am a top Defensive recruit, I would not have come here as we looked pathetic. But over the past few weeks, I may have just changed my mind. We have players with little experience, maybe not perfect size, not the highest rankings etc, playing lights out. Damn, yesterday alone we had at least 3 seniors that may have showcased themselves into draft consideration. Then you see Batekly, Tverdov, Young, Fogg Turner, Lumor and start to see that maybe this defense has a chance to make some noise in the next few years. So...my point is this, ASH, if you can't pull any defensive players off your pedigree and how this D played the 2nd half of the year, then you just CAN'T recruit.
And please let JM handle the offense next year..

I can agree with this on defense (and Ash is barely punching his own weight there), but if I were a WR and saw what I’ve seen at QB this year along with our WR production over this time, I might go running in the opposite direction...overall, IMO Hobbs is signing off on his own undoing here by endorsing this all.


Joe P.

 

[rurichdog]

Fans are justified in their anger and frustration. Fans, however, have a very different perspective than the President and the BOG regarding what is in the best interests of RU on the whole. Their view is that the long term academic success of RU is far more important than the football team. This view is also held by a number of substantial donors to sports programs. One example is the Rodkin donation. That donation was motivated primarily by their interest in improving the academic performance of student athletes. Neither they nor several other big time donors are interested in paying coaches salaries or buy outs.

If the football team is unsuccessful for several years it is not an issue that overly troubles the BOG or several donors. Their focus is on building up a much stronger academic institution. And they are doing that and have well thought out plans to further elevate the school. If we lose millions in ticket sales it is not a huge concern.

That is not likely to change in the short term. As fans of sports it maybe frustrating, but it is the mind set of the folks who manage the institution. They are not trying to lose but the football team is simply not a priority. It is certain acceptable for fans to walk away but it will not alter the goals of the folks who matter.

Well, gee. If that is what it is all about, maybe we should really "help" the institution become better and really go outside the box...let's lease our spot in the Big 10 out to another program that really really wants to play big boy football but has gotten locked out. Rutgers can monetize it's position in the premier football conference that the Administration truly doesn't want, and rent it out to UCF for the next 20 years while we **** around bettering the academic standing of our student athletes.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I can agree with this on defense (and Ash is barely punching his own weight there), but if I were a WR and saw what I’ve seen at QB this year along with our WR production over this time, I might go running in the opposite direction...overall, IMO Hobbs is signing off on his own undoing here by endorsing this all.


Joe P.

agree - and on another note...MBB really needs 20 wins this year.

 

[Caliknight]

In regard to recruiting...I have a slightly different view after the last few games...Our defense was night and day better after Ash took it over. Dare say, it became pretty damn good and yesterday it became borderline great. And that was on national TV.
Ash has always been viewed as a top defensive mind and has the ring and pedigree that should impress. In prior years, if I am a top Defensive recruit, I would not have come here as we looked pathetic. But over the past few weeks, I may have just changed my mind. We have players with little experience, maybe not perfect size, not the highest rankings etc, playing lights out. Damn, yesterday alone we had at least 3 seniors that may have showcased themselves into draft consideration. Then you see Batekly, Tverdov, Young, Fogg Turner, Lumor and start to see that maybe this defense has a chance to make some noise in the next few years. So...my point is this, ASH, if you can't pull any defensive players off your pedigree and how this D played the 2nd half of the year, then you just CAN'T recruit.
And please let JM handle the offense next year..

Ash’s Everest is as a defensive coordinator. Unfortunately he’s our head coach.