RebAtty might be on to something.

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Here is his post from the "Look Folks" thread that Yancy started when folks were complaining about OM not recruiting well. Yancy said, "If you can’t figure it out; Ole Miss is in a war with a butter knife while they are battling guys with machine guns."

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Why y'all are wasting time and space posting in code is beyond me. "bringing a butter knife to a gun fight" ... "can't play the recruiting game" ....

This is simple: Until we can get out from under the microscope, we can't pay players like we are used to paying them (just like every other major program in America). Granted, Yancy can't say that. But I can.

I've been chuckling the last few years reading all the posts on this site about the NCAA having no pay-for-play allegations against us other than Leo Lewis. Some naive dipsticks took that as evidence that we don't pay players. This reason there were no pay-for-play allegations is because, like all other programs, we know how to funnel payments to the kids' families without leaving a trail. In other words, we aren't going to get caught. Let there be no question, we pay and so does everybody else. Sometimes we get outbid, sometimes we don't. That's just modern-day, major-program recruiting in a big business that's worth hundreds of millions.

So, in summary, some of you guys are just getting a dose of reality of what probation really means. Yes, the bowl ban sucks. So does the reduction of scholarships. And don't get me started about the loss of revenues, the uncertainty, the "cloud",etc....

But the biggest sanction is that we can't conduct business as usual: we can't pay players and their families. And that, my friends, is literally being forced to fight a gun battle with a butter knife.

And to the naive posters in this thread, what's going on this recruiting cycle does not have one damn thing to do with this staff's recruiting ability. Some of you guys need to toughen up for the next couple of years. This too shall pass.
 

Todd4State

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If they "can't get caught" why can't they do business as usual? Oh- it's because they got caught.
 

JungRebel

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When we look back in search of where it all went wrong I think we will identify the tipping point as the moment when the word 'literally' literally went from meaning literally to meaning figuratively.
 

maroonmania

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I honestly think much of what he typed is spot on.

At face value what he typed probably is pretty much spot on. Yes, all of the P5 programs likely give SOMETHING to their top end recruits to entice them to sign. What OM morons can't figure out is that when you start getting multiple 5 star recruits from WAY out of your normal recruiting territory, and beating hometown power programs (which OM isn't) to do so, then the NCAA already KNOWS you are going WAY beyond a little enticement money whether they can come up with the money trail or not. So they just get you on the stuff they can prove to punish you for stuff they know you are doing that they don't have lidtight proof for. It was the recruits like Tunsil, Treadwell, Little, RK, etc. that brought in the NCAA by way of complaints from schools outside MS. No doubt they bought CJ Johnson, AJ Brown and many other instate guys but they could have done that forever and not had a problem. Nobody at the NCAA would have cared about Leo Lewis if not for those other bigger fish involved outside MS. Its been a much used analogy but when the guy doing 110 mph who is getting a ticket complains to the cop about the guy doing 70 also breaking the law, the cop usually just laughs in his face. OM should just be thanking their lucky stars that somebody who knew somebody influenced the COI to go WAY lighter on the punishment than what was deserved.
 
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TBone.sixpack

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You really think OM used powers of influence with the COI Committee?

Occam’s Razor suggests that the NCAA is just an inept and inconsistent entity only worried about the money flowing in.
 

maroonmania

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You really think OM used powers of influence with the COI Committee?

Occam’s Razor suggests that the NCAA is just an inept and inconsistent entity only worried about the money flowing in.

Yes, I personally absolutely believe somebody within either the SEC or OM itself had some influence with someone on the COI. The delta between the punishment given and the "penalty matrix" that the COI is supposed to follow is just way too great for any other reasonable explanation. Heck, OM got LESS than one scholarship taken away for every Level 1 violation accepted by the committee while also being proven to NOT be cooperative with the NCAA. That light of a punishment in those circumstances didn't happen by chance.
 

TBone.sixpack

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Well if they truly have that kinda stroke they will be back on top of recruiting like in the Freeze Era.

We shall see. I still think the NCAA just doesn’t GAF. Even with their own matrix....
 

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At face value what he typed probably is pretty much spot on. Yes, all of the P5 programs likely give SOMETHING to their top end recruits to entice them to sign. What OM morons can't figure out is that when you start getting multiple 5 star recruits from WAY out of your normal recruiting territory, and beating hometown power programs (which OM isn't) to do so, then the NCAA already KNOWS you are going WAY beyond a little enticement money whether they can come up with the money trail or not. So they just get you on the stuff they can prove to punish you for stuff they know you are doing that they don't have lidtight proof for. It was the recruits like Tunsil, Treadwell, Little, RK, etc. that brought in the NCAA by way of complaints from schools outside MS. No doubt they bought CJ Johnson, AJ Brown and many other instate guys but they could have done that forever and not had a problem. Nobody at the NCAA would have cared about Leo Lewis if not for those other bigger fish involved outside MS. Its been a much used analogy but when the guy doing 110 mph who is getting a ticket complains to the cop about the guy doing 70 also breaking the law, the cop usually just laughs in his face. OM should just be thanking their lucky stars that somebody who knew somebody influenced the COI to go WAY lighter on the punishment than what was deserved.

My belief is that the NCAA got super interested in the number of coaches involved in shady practices. Honestly, if it had just been accusations of buying players the NCAA would never have come to town, no matter who they 'stole' them from.
 

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Multiple OM affiliated tobacco lawyers still get millions from the tobacco settlement per year. Dickie Scruggs was found guilty of trying to bribe a judge or jury, or both. Lots of millions and people who have proven they will do anything to make sure their football team win. Do you think it is beyond the realm of possibility that someone knew someone who knew someone on the committee and could have some influence?
 
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I thought at first this had to be fake. But I re-read it and the smugness finally won me over.

I have to say it may be the most "Ole Miss" thing I have read since the height of the Student #LEO days or wistful tales of the days of Coach Vaught and a stadium full of little Confederate flags.
 

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You really think OM used powers of influence with the COI Committee?

Occam’s Razor suggests that the NCAA is just an inept and inconsistent entity only worried about the money flowing in.


If you can't use powers of influence on the COI as an organization, you go after the individual members. After years of shady affiliation, you always know if your bed mate has been shady with his or her taxes. Have that information stored for a rainy day. After years of shady affiliation, you always know if your bed mate has been cheating on his or her spouse. You also make sure if their children have been doing so also. After years of shady affiliation bed mates OM and the NCAA learn a lot about about each other. Remember OM uses a law firm to filter out problems, other colleges do not. Law firms are experienced in exposure to shady relationships.

When the two bed mates eventually get in conflict mutual knowledge can be used to assault or threaten one another. Sure, OM can't influence the COI overtly, but personal terror can be unleashed on COI members by destroying their finances thru the IRS or destroying their personal lives by destroying marriages or their children's marriages. I believe that the OM legal team did not try to influence the COI as an organization, I believe personal terror was used to insure that the penalty matrix not be used. The NCAA acted in it's own best interest and set justice aside.
 

maroonmania

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My belief is that the NCAA got super interested in the number of coaches involved in shady practices. Honestly, if it had just been accusations of buying players the NCAA would never have come to town, no matter who they 'stole' them from.

Guess I have trouble buying that since the guy in charge of it all basically got a very light slap on the wrist even though he was personally involved in a couple of the Level 1s.
 

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It is always smart to:

Take boosters with you on recruiting trips.

Brag about paying players and that everyone else does it and that you know how to hide it (obviously**).

Tell your supporters that once all blows over and NCAA stops watching, we will go back to paying players.

set up teenage recuits with prostitutes (allegedly**).

sign 4 five star top rated players at their positions in the same class and 3 of them are from out of state.

mention that you use your "Opportunity Fund" for Mama's netflix addiction.

use religion as a recruiting tool.

using "sugar babies" as a recruiting tool.

using twitter........at all.
 
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