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The minute you start to have any conference tier it’s money based on perceived “elite” status that’s when it all falls apart…though the system may already be at the top of the oiled up slope anyways!
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If you base extra tiered payment on conference championships it is not perceived
Some good points have been made about time zone and still being much closer than other B1G schools.
The Big Ten needs to think long term - less a conference, then a national league. Relegate the SEC to regional status and everyone else to has beens. Expand to at least 20, and probably 24.
It will pay off in the long run - outside of the south people will think Big Ten when they think College sports.
If they need to pay the new teams less than the full payout for a while, then so be it.
Letting this drag on increases the odds that the SEC decides to break out of its geographic footprint instead.
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Very good point…as it is Nebby is the closest B1G school to CA at over 1400 miles…the days of real fun conferences are over…the only conference that will remain with some semblance of geographic integrity will be the SEC…all states border each other and share some modicum of cultural closeness (except Ou and Missouri…they are square pegs in round holes and TX is not at all like anything in the SEC…I look forward to them finding that out)
Oh no I know not yet. But it’s smart to have other teams lined up just as a backup in case a school happened asked to leave based for some reason.
I'll check Sir Yacht's Twitter feed and report back in 10 years.Better chance of Cincinnati joining the SEC
Exactly this. It's about stepping on the throats of the ACC, Pac 12, and Big 12, and taking exactly what we want, not what the SEC leaves. This is about the long term, and making sure the B1G is in a position of dominance for decades to come. If there are great brands that bring new markets (ie Oregon, UW, UNC, UVA, Georgia Tech, FSU), we should add them, even if slightly dillutive. Long term, it sets up the conference as best as possible and feels like the right play to me.
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Barta says they're still leaning towards scrapping divisions even after the USC/UCLA additions. They'll likely keep divisions for 2 more years rather than switching twice in a short period.
From that Athetic article: (paywall)
“Will there be more? I don't have a crystal ball,” Iowa athletic director Gary Barta said in a news conference Friday. “But at this point, I can tell you the Big Ten is still not seeking members. I know the Big Ten is taking calls, and they inform us when they take calls just so we have a general idea. But again, I don't envision (expansion). If I were predicting, I'm not predicting that we would be adding any more in the near future. We'll see.”
Most of the discussion has swirled around the league pursuing Notre Dame or picking up other Pac-12 members. When asked about Pac-12 schools Oregon and Washington, Barta said he won’t “talk direct about any one school” and said neither he nor Iowa president Barbara Wilson will “be forced” to make that decision this summer.
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Iowa AD LOL- Rutgers wants to play those same 4 every year too
Paywall article. Andy Staples with an article on teams left in the ACC/B12/PAC12 and how often they crack the 1 million viewer mark from 2015-2019 and 2021. 2020 left out because of pandemic. He controlled for and removed games against B10/SEC/ND and future B10 teams (USC/UCLA). Surprised by some of the names there but time slot and competition in the same time slot matters too. Larger chart for all teams in the article. It's not the coveted 3-4M viewers networks want but to some degree gives an idea of which teams are being watched and sort of removes the "halo effect" of bigger name programs.
edit: Clemson is highest at 34...pasted tweet cut it off.
edit: Clemson is highest at 34...pasted tweet cut it off.
Nope. Bigger and smaller splits of the $ is a leading indicator that a conference will split up. This concept of one school “deserving” more than another school usually only occurs when conferences have smaller or shrinking revenues, a feeding frenzy starts for more of the smaller pot of money, and then the group splits up because of divisiveness, greed and acrimony. If revenue is growing and large, there are enough dollars to go around, the schools work with each other on growth to keep the gravy train going.
And Shack’s concept of the difficulty of figuring out who deserves more and who deserves less can be futile, constantly changing and difficult to gain consensus. The B1G should never get to that point.
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It’s said in relation to time zones. Not meant to be they are getting on the same bus.
Nobody knows
20 years ago, who thought we'd be in the Big 10
15 years ago, we'd have loved to be in the ACC
5 years ago, NIL wasn't even on the radar
Things change and money talks. Nothing surprises me anymore in the new world of college athletics
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copied from another TKR post. Source: poster “debtbubble”
2022: $56,275,441 | $46,029,566
2023: $57,963,704 | $48,941,204
2024: $59,702,615 | $50,970,215
2025: $61,493,693 | $53,055,193
2026: $63,338,504 | $56,178,379
2027: $65,238,659 | $65,238,659
2028: $67,195,819 | $67,195,819
2029: $69,211,694 | $69,211,694
Note - Rutgers is fully vested into BTN and owns a full share (as of 2019?)
We are currently paying back loans so that accounts for the reduced payouts.
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We are getting a full share now. We are just paying back our loan at the same time. Paying back the loan does not mean we are not still earning a full share.
I heard an interesting idea on a podcast for how the B12 might lure some PAC12 teams over, specifically Oregon/Washington. Although IMO, it works both ways. If you crack those 2 you get the 4 corners schools or if you crack the 4 corners schools you get Oregon/Washington.
Basically the idea was Oregon/Washington join the B12 for 10 years or whatever but you have a free out to go to the B10 at any time. No strings. They didn't play the scenario but if you do it's actually not a bad play for the B12. I don't know that either the B12 or PAC10 would be that much ahead that money alone would be enough motivation to stay or go. I think the inclination is probably to stay as the PAC10 (inertia) but an enticement like that and who knows. Good chance the PAC10 might have to match that offer. From any of the school's perspectives just entertaining such an offer might keep them "unchained" even if they stay in the PAC10. From the B12's perspective even if you lose out because the PAC10 matches it, if in the future Oregon/Washington or whomever should leave, the 4 corners schools wouldn't be hampered to move by any GOR at that time. So the B12 could lose out now with that offer but it still could help them down the line just by lowering the bar to leave the PAC10 in the future.
Basically the idea was Oregon/Washington join the B12 for 10 years or whatever but you have a free out to go to the B10 at any time. No strings. They didn't play the scenario but if you do it's actually not a bad play for the B12. I don't know that either the B12 or PAC10 would be that much ahead that money alone would be enough motivation to stay or go. I think the inclination is probably to stay as the PAC10 (inertia) but an enticement like that and who knows. Good chance the PAC10 might have to match that offer. From any of the school's perspectives just entertaining such an offer might keep them "unchained" even if they stay in the PAC10. From the B12's perspective even if you lose out because the PAC10 matches it, if in the future Oregon/Washington or whomever should leave, the 4 corners schools wouldn't be hampered to move by any GOR at that time. So the B12 could lose out now with that offer but it still could help them down the line just by lowering the bar to leave the PAC10 in the future.
I was kinda surprised Fox tweeted this too at the time but hey at least they’re being open and up front about it. All these years ESPN has been doing the same and some make a sham over it as if they don’t have tons of influence almost to the point of control. Didn’t see many reporters cry over the BE’s demise.
Wonder if all team participate equally in increased revenue from new deal or if there is some proration. If payout goes to 90 per school would Ru see an immediate 25 million increase?
Hello this is Phil Knight from Nike can I please speak to someone in charge lol.
Rutgers is paying the B1G back, and the loan is interest-free.
My understanding of the payout was based on 14 teams and a new media deal for 2023. That deal was expected to pay each team around $80 million. Everything has changed since the B1G has added two teams, and the payout of the media deal is now expected to be north of $100 million.
Rutgers owes $43 million over the next five years based on the loan repayment. If that's accurate and the new media deal is over $100 million, Rutgers could shorten the time it takes to repay the loan while having more money for each year of the TV deal.
We get the increase. We get a full share right now. Then the annual loan payoff is subtracted from our full share.
Best post on conference realignment I’ve seen. Well said.
Of course things change.
I don’t think that things will change the way you believe with B1G implementing tiered payouts. The B1G is too smart for that.
The only thing I know is money rules the day
Nothing would surprise me moving forward
Big Ten is now 16.. should go to 20 with Cal, Staford, (Oregon and Washington OR Az and AZ State)
ND had its chance.
Maybe 24.. what the hell... UVA, UNC, Mizzou (they don't belong in the SEC) and Colorado or GTech (one per state outside California, otherwise VTech might make some sense.. or Pitt)
24 is a lot of voting power in Coaches Polls and Writers Polls... and BTN revenue in all these big states and markets would be very nice.
ND had its chance.
Maybe 24.. what the hell... UVA, UNC, Mizzou (they don't belong in the SEC) and Colorado or GTech (one per state outside California, otherwise VTech might make some sense.. or Pitt)
24 is a lot of voting power in Coaches Polls and Writers Polls... and BTN revenue in all these big states and markets would be very nice.
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I really think you need Florida representation.
I'd try to get fsu, Clemson, nc and Stanford
Big20 would be a national conference
Not sure if this will all show up in a copy/paste but I agree with a lot of what this ESPN writer David Hale says in regards to ND and the ACC. It’s a Twitter thread of about 10-15 tweets.
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The next Atheltic Department that voluntarily chooses to leave a conference and make LESS MONEY will be the first.
Is Vanderbilt really going to leave the SEC and go from $100m/year in media revenue to join a conference and make under $1m/year? I’d like to see how that works out for them.
When people say Rutgers “won’t compete, won’t pay players directly and will drop out of major athletics” this what they are saying.
Rutgers is going to go from $100m/year to $1m/year? If you think that, I’ve got a bridge to sell you
Tell me how we’re recruiting, keeping HC GS and HC Pike, funding all our teams.
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-deals-current-status-college-football/
Is Vanderbilt really going to leave the SEC and go from $100m/year in media revenue to join a conference and make under $1m/year? I’d like to see how that works out for them.
When people say Rutgers “won’t compete, won’t pay players directly and will drop out of major athletics” this what they are saying.
Rutgers is going to go from $100m/year to $1m/year? If you think that, I’ve got a bridge to sell you
Tell me how we’re recruiting, keeping HC GS and HC Pike, funding all our teams.
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-deals-current-status-college-football/