Real Question..

Wasker77

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Bryan Harsin, Chris Kliemann, Billy Napier all good coaches. We need a solid coach. We need to play fundamentally sound football and go from there.

I know nothing, but my guess is Harsin will end up in the Pac 12. Boise relates to the West Coast. Its only about 50 miles from Oregon. Can the Huskers get Kliemann away from K State? That leaves Napier as the easiest target.
 

Iroh2

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Great conversation.. agree that we are stuck with Frost. Sometimes I think we need to view the program as K-State in the 80s and any improvement might be a success at this point. Maybe we get the new facilities and then make a move...
 

cHUCK001

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Should have hired Mack Brown when we had the chance. He inherited a two win team 2 years ago and is currently demolishing a top ten Miami team. Like him or not, the dude can coach and recruit and we would be in a better position than we are now with this inept coaching staff who cannot do either.
 

YodaHusker

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Order 66 on the program, was executed. Way back in the days of solich. Dead, the program is. A Skywalker, nebraska does not have.......
 

red scowl

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I know nothing, but my guess is Harsin will end up in the Pac 12. Boise relates to the West Coast. Its only about 50 miles from Oregon. Can the Huskers get Kliemann away from K State? That leaves Napier as the easiest target.

I think they are realistic options. I have no idea how it all plays out, but I want a proven head coach.

Lance Leiopold would be another great option. His name has been brought up on this board. He has won everywhere he's gone.
 

VictoryRed

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Frost is lost. He's over his head on a build like ours.. He won't get it done. Look at Luke Fickel number one.
 

SLOHusker

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Ok, now that I can try admit to myself that Frost will never be successful here, who realistically is out there that could deliver the goods? Also needs to be someone that we could entice to come here.

That being said, I know we are stuck with Scott for the near future but who could we get that could deliver at least 6-6?
As disappointing as it sounds I think we need to stick with Frost at least 3 more years. Short of finding the young Nick Saban, the lack of stability will only dig the hole deeper. Frost does have an opportunity to learn from his mistakes and maybe we'll get lucky and get a couple star recruits that can be transformative. We absolutely have to get a good throwing QB in this class or from the portal. Back off on recruiting Florida and concentrate a bit more on Texas (especially while UT is unsettled).
 

Harry Caray

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Great conversation.. agree that we are stuck with Frost. Sometimes I think we need to view the program as K-State in the 80s and any improvement might be a success at this point. Maybe we get the new facilities and then make a move...

Bill Snyder went 7-4 his third year at K-State, after inheriting a program that hadn't won a game in 3 years.
 

skintight

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I would like to stick with Frost. The Husker football program has been lackluster at best of times that last 20 years and pathetic at worst of times. I don't see it coming back to a top 10 team again in my lifetime. So..let Frost make the same mistake over and over again he will retire or something. Perhaps, restructure his contract to a pay per win salary? how would 400-500 K per win sound? you can bet your *** that some of these personnel decisions will change. you can bet your *** that some of the dead wood coaches would change. ya--i'm liking the sound of this the more i type this out. i'm ok with the huskers taking their lumps--if the coaches feel the pain in their wallet.
 

Wasker77

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I think they are realistic options. I have no idea how it all plays out, but I want a proven head coach.

Lance Leiopold would be another great option. His name has been brought up on this board. He has won everywhere he's gone.

How about Clay Helton. USC fan don't support him. All he does is win games for them. (losing right now to UCLA that will not help him with the fans)
 

Harry Caray

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Maybe Gus Malzahn if Auburn fires him? He's averaged 9 wins a year, in the toughest division in college football.

Then again, he did lose to Frost in a bowl game, so....
 

oldjar07

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Anybody on the Clemson or Alabama staff that is ready to make the jump?
Alabama is all Saban. Maybe Venables on Clemson, but there seems to be some reason he can’t or doesn't want to be a head coach.
 

oldjar07

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I think I'm on the "Ride Frost Into The Sunset" bandwagon. I can no longer hope that the next coach is the one that will bring us back to dominance. At least you know Frost cares, more than almost any other person we could hire. So maybe he eventually learns how to do it, given enough time, shuffling a few assistants? There's as good a chance of that happening as hiring that diamond in the rough that will magically deliver championships (and stay after he does).
I'm beginning to question if he actually does care. He seems more interested in hanging out with his drinking buddies and keeping underperforming assistants around than actually trying to improve the program.
 

Fed-Up

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As disappointing as it sounds I think we need to stick with Frost at least 3 more years. Short of finding the young Nick Saban, the lack of stability will only dig the hole deeper. Frost does have an opportunity to learn from his mistakes and maybe we'll get lucky and get a couple star recruits that can be transformative. We absolutely have to get a good throwing QB in this class or from the portal. Back off on recruiting Florida and concentrate a bit more on Texas (especially while UT is unsettled).
This type of comment and a few others on here actually surprise me and show how unsettled and complacent support and desire for getting this team back to just a resemblance of playing good football has actually fallen........why should we continue to sweep this under the rug ....continue to just say "oh we suck again/still" and hope this coach who is being paid an elite coaching salary....may stumble upon something (even though they had the best ever practice since he has been here)? I don't buy the argument that no one will come here if we fire Frost.....uh....$5 mil is a pretty good attraction device. Besides....can this program really fall any further....we already have become bottom feeders and perennial losers.
 

kbowe1sat

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Jeff Monken from Army would deliver winning seasons every year here. We'd be disciplined, hard to prepare for, and it would be easier to recruit here the players needed to run that offense. We'll never be able to recruit enough of the skill players we need for Frost's offense here.

No we probably wouldn't compete for championships very often, but we haven't won any championships anyway with the last 4 coaches we've tried. We need to just get back to winning 8-9 games a year again first before we can even think about championships.
I don't believe we would have more than 50% of our players stay if Monken was named coach ! That is in NO WAY a criticism of Monken !
 

TruHusker

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I hate to say this, but it is true. You could hire any good high school football coach and his staff in the Omaha metro and we would see a better product on Saturday. Would we second guess the coach? Sure. Would we call for him to be fired after the first miscue? Of course. But I doubt his coaching would leave us mind-numbingly, slack-jawed at some of the stupidity he was responsible for. Such as throwing the ball all over the yard in 30 MPH wind with a QB having an off day against the worst run defense in the league. Or asking your second string QB who is a suspect passer and prone to interceptions to throw on his first two plays (against the worst run defense in the league).

Is this serious?
 

leodisflowers

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Same thing was said about Frost when he went undefeated at UCF.

YEah. The lower division schools are a crap shoot. It is a hell of a lot easier to be successful at them then in the Power 5. I few do well right away, but kinda iffy. I also think we should give Frost a little longer. Turnover kills programs and I think the last thing we need to do is run another coach out of here. I think he needs to restructure.

I'd get rid of Austin & Verduz and get some decent coaches in there.
 

c3o

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Same thing was said about Frost when he went undefeated at UCF.

I understand.

I get why people would think it’s the same thing.

But have you watched their team run offense? It’s a lot like the pistol form of Osborne’s offense.

we aren’t going to win **** running what we are running now. We need to get to where we are pumping out AA offensive linemen and running the ball, wearing out defenses.

We’ve been lost for 20 some years
 

GBRforLife1

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It appears it is taking a lot longer to rebuild from what Riley left us. Running back has been spotty. Our QB has been injured and stagnant. WR is rough. Oline is full of mental errors.

Kicking game woes have cost us games in previous years. That seems to have been addressed.

Defense has been better, but it was horrible.

It's not happening as fast as I want, but I will give it more time.
 

cHUCK001

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Frost will be back next year and with next year's schedule being the toughest on paper that we've had in a while, we're looking at another losing record. So the question is can Frost survive another losing record next year because that is exactly what it's looking like.
The answer is no. And why in the hell should he? Because of Moos and the money.
 

CatColumbia

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It appears it is taking a lot longer to rebuild from what Riley left us. Running back has been spotty. Our QB has been injured and stagnant. WR is rough. Oline is full of mental errors.

Kicking game woes have cost us games in previous years. That seems to have been addressed.

Defense has been better, but it was horrible.

It's not happening as fast as I want, but I will give it more time.

We have no option but to give it more time. I just hope the return in investment (years of losing) will be worth it. My fear is that Frost’s ceiling will be 9-10 wins, which we’ve already fired 2 guys for doing that.
 

Dean Pope

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The answer is no. And why in the hell should he? Because of Moos and the money.
The pandemic and the lack of money coming in (buy out cash) should buy a lot of coaches extra time. But Frost didn't do himself any favors with the self-inflicted pre-snap penalties, sloppy undisciplined special teams play and other signs of flat out bad coaching.

On the positive side, if Frost MAKES REAL CHANGES to his system-- like how they practice-- and the team plays cleaner football in all three phases. This team could turn things around a bit. They've lost a lot of close games.

On the negative side, if the sloppy play continues, Moos could always decide to retire, take his $$$ and go fishing. But if that happened, I would guess that the new A.D. would keep Frost a year to evaluate, but I think we've seen that movie a few times before.
 

oldjar07

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We have no option but to give it more time. I just hope the return in investment (years of losing) will be worth it. My fear is that Frost’s ceiling will be 9-10 wins, which we’ve already fired 2 guys for doing that.
I'm more afraid his ceiling is 5 wins.
 

Fed-Up

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As disappointing as it sounds I think we need to stick with Frost at least 3 more years. Short of finding the young Nick Saban, the lack of stability will only dig the hole deeper. Frost does have an opportunity to learn from his mistakes and maybe we'll get lucky and get a couple star recruits that can be transformative. We absolutely have to get a good throwing QB in this class or from the portal. Back off on recruiting Florida and concentrate a bit more on Texas (especially while UT is unsettled).
3 more years of this garbage would absolutely kill off the fan base support....except for those Frost apologists who believe he is "our guy" and "the only one who can fix this" and "who else would ever want to come here?"....if there is a losing season again next year....the big boosters will pony-up again and buy out his incredibly 'unearned" elite coach buy out.
 

BHeinDaHuskers

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I just don't understand why people think, "Who can we get to come to Nebraska?"

Seriously?, Yes we suck but Nebraska isn't a leaper school. This isn't the last place a coach can come to try to fulfill a career. Lets look at what Nebraska brings to the table.

  • A Power 5 Team
  • A member of the Big Ten Conference
  • One of the Blue Bloods of College Football
  • An entire state that supports your school
  • Over 50+ years of consecutive selling out of the stadium
  • Facilities that are top 20% of all of college football
  • An athletic department that will give everything you need to win
  • A paycheck that will put you in the top 20% of all head coaches
  • A media that will never ask you tough questions
  • And most of all a place that will give you time if you just show some improvement in the win/loss column.

Yes the last 21 years have been a dry spell for the Huskers but this isn't a bottom 50% job in college football. Can we get a Saban, a Sweeney? No but we are not a MAC team. Nebraska is and will be a great job until those things I listed are no longer.
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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Frost will be back next year and with next year's schedule being the toughest on paper that we've had in a while, we're looking at another losing record. So the question is can Frost survive another losing record next year because that is exactly what it's looking like.

I don't understand the talk about this supposed tough schedule next year

there are 2 elite teams on the schedule so yes the path to a national title is very difficult - but otherwise the schedule is very, very soft - 9 wins should be a given

6 of the 9 conference games are against teams that didn't have a winning conf record last year

Of the 3 teams with a conf winning record - one is Northwestern who is seeing a mass exodus of players from the program and another is Iowa

other than OSU the other 2 cross divisional games are against teams with a combined record of 4-9 - and one of those wins was because they played each other - the 6th and 7th place east teams

every game against even a half decent conf opponent is at home - Neb doesn't play a single conf game on the road against a team that had a winning record last year (provided the schedule is not changed) - they have 5 conf home games and 4 road games (one of these at a neutral site)

almost the entire offensive line that started the Rutgers game comes back, there is a cupboard full of 4* WRs, the most productive TE is back along with the #1 rated TE recruit in the country, Mills needs to be replaced but there have been 4 other RBs recruited in the last 2 classes including 2 4*s and the QB will have started the last 3 seasons

in year 4 - with that schedule - they should win the division
 

lazysunday

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I don't understand the talk about this supposed tough schedule next year

there are 2 elite teams on the schedule so yes the path to a national title is very difficult - but otherwise the schedule is very, very soft - 9 wins should be a given

6 of the 9 conference games are against teams that didn't have a winning conf record last year

Of the 3 teams with a conf winning record - one is Northwestern who is seeing a mass exodus of players from the program and another is Iowa

other than OSU the other 2 cross divisional games are against teams with a combined record of 4-9 - and one of those wins was because they played each other - the 6th and 7th place east teams

every game against even a half decent conf opponent is at home - Neb doesn't play a single conf game on the road against a team that had a winning record last year (provided the schedule is not changed) - they have 5 conf home games and 4 road games (one of these at a neutral site)

almost the entire offensive line that started the Rutgers game comes back, there is a cupboard full of 4* WRs, the most productive TE is back along with the #1 rated TE recruit in the country, Mills needs to be replaced but there have been 4 other RBs recruited in the last 2 classes including 2 4*s and the QB will have started the last 3 seasons

in year 4 - with that schedule - they should win the division

this is what should be, however, not the reality of things