Real or Armchair Coaches: A Question Inside

[Indndawg]

Are the any differences between The Veer "attack" and The Wishbone?

 

[coach66]

They are both option offenses and I think the main difference is the blocking

approach. I think the veer (now read option) basically leaves certain defensive players unblocked and reads off them. The wishbone was more brute force straight ahead blocking that started with a dive to the fullback with two or more options from there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_option

 

[futaba.79]

I'd love a clip of Rock running the veer.........

nobody did it better. But, you're right, veer is more finesse than the wishbone.

 

[jcdawgman18]

The veer and the zone read are not exactly the same thing. Out of the shotgun the veer (aka inverted veer) is typically a running back off tackle/stretch run vs QB up the middle play. The zone read is typically a RB power/dive play to one side with a QB run off the other side. That's picking nits, I know, but I think it's an important distinction. Especially considering the difference in how many times your QB gets hit with each (way more of a pounding running the veer I think).

 

[Dr. Funke.sixpack]

jcdawgman is correct about the veer vs. the zone read. The Veer is a style of option that is normally ran out of the wishbone. The veer you see today is an inverted veer when run out of shotgun or pistol. I wouldn't call either "finesse".

Malhzan's favorite option is the inverted veer but is blocked just like an off-tackle power run. The backside guard pulls around to seal playside LB, while the playside guard and tackle double team the DT and try to catch the backside LB in the wash. The DE being "read" use to be blocked by a FB, but is now taken away via the option. Classic smash mouth.

 

[Indndawg]

Nice Post Doc

jcdawgman is correct about the veer vs. the zone read. The Veer is a style of option that is normally ran out of the wishbone. The veer you see today is an inverted veer when run out of shotgun or pistol. I wouldn't call either "finesse".

Malhzan's favorite option is the inverted veer but is blocked just like an off-tackle power run. The backside guard pulls around to seal playside LB, while the playside guard and tackle double team the DT and try to catch the backside LB in the wash. The DE being "read" use to be blocked by a FB, but is now taken away via the option. Classic smash mouth.

I really had no idea about the differences. Keep it coming

 

[121Josey]

I used to think that the "veer" was just an offset I-formation. I think NCAA Football on playstation called the offset I the veer formation (one of those games did). With the advent of the zone-read, I learned that it expanded to the concept of leaving different linemen unblocked, unlike a "trap", where the DL had to choose who to attack. Plays involving a FB read the DT, but reads the DE further away from center.

Maybe a distinction between formation and concept (wishbone and triple option) would be helpful. FWIW, I love how people are so enamored with the new "diamond" formation, which is nothing more than the wishbone in the pistol/shotgun.

ETA: Coach Boone ran the split-veer. 6 plays. Just like Novocaine.

 

[dawgatUSM]

Just give it time. It always works.