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HueFreeze

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So Collins leaves as DC at another SEC school.

Can you read anything into Collins leaving with Mullen staying or going? Do you think Collins would have had a real legit shot at being named head coach if Mullen were looking to leave? Do you think Collins just had to compare Florida DC vs MSU DC...

or both situations totally independent?
 
dawgstudent

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No way Collins would be HC at State.

I think it came down to Florida vs State and Collins has no MS ties. We won't match probably what Florida is going to pay him. I bet he got over a million.
 
dawgstudent

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I know but I hope that wasn't the case. Our "somewhat psycho defense" was still pretty good.
 
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patdog

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dawgstudent said:
I think it came down to Florida vs State and Collins has no MS ties. We won't match probably what Florida is going to pay him. I bet he got over a million.
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This is exactly what I think it came down to. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
DawgsOnTheWing

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I don't think he was told to find another job, although he might have still been miffed at what Mullen said about the D after the EB. I figure Geoff just took advantage of an opportunity to take what he feels is a step up for him.
 
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Hanmudog

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Our defense deserved every word Mullen said about them after the Egg Bowl. The difference in OM's attacking defense and our passive defense was pretty obvious. We were totally unprepared. Made me wonder if Collins mind was elsewhere.
 
dawgstudent

dawgstudent

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Us giving up over 500 yds wasn't an anomaly this season....

Us scoring 17 points was. Maybe Mullen was letting out some frustration over our defense that had built up for the season.

But I'm with you - I still think Mullen shouldn't have said that in postgame.
 
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Maybe if our AD would be concerned more about getting some $$$ to a very good coordinator and worry less with #Hashtags, "in game experience," and marketing/branding we wouldn't be in this situation. But that's just me
 
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No, it certainly wasn't. While we were loaded on the front end, we didn't have the safety play necessary to have an elite defense. We also could not consistently bring pressure despite being near the tops in the conference in sacks and tfl. Some of that is scheme, to stop the run and free up the LBs. I like Collins as a good DC but I don't think our defense was great this year given the talent we had. I like his youth and energy, but the scheme needs more tweaking and some solid safety play. Now, I'm not knowledgable enough to know whether it was the scheme or the players, but I would think a little of both.
 
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tenureplan

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He gone

"He continued to say he and his assistants are committed to MSU, despite reports indicating otherwise."

WTF is Scott sitting on his hands for, open up the freaking checkbook.
 
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121Josey

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Their scoring drives had a max of 2 plays. That's not a scheme problem. That's lack of execution. A missed FG and a HB-pass were the difference in the game.

Sending the players home for Thankgiving probably had more to do with the flop than not being prepared. They've been planning for the EB since after the Bama game. TSUN had been preparing for 4 weeks. So there you go.
 
dawgstudent

dawgstudent

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Because hiring a coordinator that had one of the worst defenses in the conference is not an inspiring hire to me.

Collins was worth keeping as DC but not to move him to head coach. The defense was good this year - not great.

When Mullen was hired - he was coaching a program coming off 2 national championships with a prolific offense. It's all about timing in a lot of these scenarios.
 
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patdog

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Collins will be a I-A head coach, and probably at a Big-5 conference level.
 
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Geoff Collins’ Floridasalary will obviously tell us more whyhe is leaving.<o:p></o:p><o:p>
</o:p>It will be interesting to see Geoff Collins’ Florida salary.<o:p></o:p> The previous Florida D.C. (D. J. Durkin) made $500,000. Collins made $575,000 at State. Below is a link to assistant coach salaries. <o:p></o:p>
Of course, with coordinator salaries on the rise (Muschamp)and a new head coach , Florida will probably pay a lot more for coordinators and assistants than last year. <o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant<o:p></o:p>
 
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121Josey

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State's D was 9th in Scoring D. LUS, TSUN, Bama, and UPigg were in the Top 15. How does that make them one of the worst D's in the conference?

Mullen was OC for 4 years at UF. But could Mullen coach with less talent at State? His offense wasn't setting the world on fire his first 5 years. But supposedly, "supposedly", he wasn't calling the plays. He showed me that he can't adapt a scheme to fit his personnel and I see him making very few adjustments in-game. He's a one trick pony. For example, Sumlin this year realized that his QB play was bad and receivers were dropping passes, so he changed to a running attack mid-season with TE's and stuff.

With Collins, you know what you are getting (that may be a negative as some people may want to gamble away the program). He's worked with less and improved it. So, would you not interview Collins or would that be too Crxxmtastic?
 
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croomsGolfCart said:
Maybe if our AD would be concerned more about getting some $$$ to a very good coordinator and worry less with #Hashtags, "in game experience," and marketing/branding we wouldn't be in this situation. But that's just me
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It's not just you, but it's you and several other morons who think this way. There is no reason in the world for any of these things to be mutually exclusive. Marketing is a huge part of the AD's job.
 
Dawg1976

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If he got over a million, he's over paid. I liked him fine, but he ain't that good.
 
dawgstudent

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We were 12 out of 14 in yards per game. I know stats can be produced to fit any argument b/c if I was on your side - I would use the ppg argument.

Just nothing about Collins says I want him - at this moment - as our next HC.
 
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croomsGolfCart

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So you're more concerned with marketing than our AD working on a raise for a pretty solid defensive coordinator with a top 10 scoring defense in the nation?
 
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121Josey

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dawgstudent said:
We were 12 out of 14 in yards per game. I know stats can be produced to fit any argument b/c if I was on your side - I would use the ppg argument.

Just nothing about Collins says I want him - at this moment - as our next HC.
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I know. I get it. You want to see who Michigan hires because State will be able to hire someone better.** When the coordinators line up for the job, maybe Collins' CV will look a little better.

Since you were using the ypg and know how situation of the D, I would expect you to footnote that they were 6th in the SEC in yards per play. If not for the TSUN game, that stat would have been in line with the ppg argument.

ETA: They were 8th in ypp. I can't do simple maths. Nevertheless, they were one of worst D's in the league in yards. So something has to give.
 
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Hanmudog

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My biggest issue with our defense was the way they seemed to have trouble getting off the field in the second half of the season and they were not forcing turnovers. It kind of defeats the purpose of the hurry up offense when the other team's defense can rest while their offense holds the ball forever. Too much bending even though they did not always break.
 
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If Mullen would have been hired away, I would have been just fine with promoting Collins to Head Coach. When things are going well, you do not change things. If a head coach is hired away due to success, I have always been a proponent of promoting from within.

However, I am fine with him leaving. He did us well during his time here. Mullen probably did not help with that Egg Bowl post-presser, but that was not the only reason he left. He left for more money and the fact that his next step will be a head coach somewhere, given he is successful at Florida.
 
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croomsGolfCart said:
Maybe if our AD would be concerned more about getting some $$$ to a very good coordinator and worry less with #Hashtags, "in game experience," and marketing/branding we wouldn't be in this situation. But that's just me
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Possibly the most idiotic thing I have ever read here. And that is saying something...
 
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AssEndDawg

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dawgstudent said:
Just nothing about Collins says I want him - at this moment - as our next HC.
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I don't want any defensive coordinator to be our head coach. I want someone who knows how to move the ball in charge. We can hire someone to run defense.
 
DawgatAuburn

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Collins is a long way from being a head coach, and he's easily replaceable in every aspect except recruiting. I wish him all the best at UF though and appreciate everything he's done at State.
 
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Tin Cup Cowboy

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This is my feelings also.

I just don't think Collins has "it" to be a head coach. Nothing against the guy, I just don't think he could run a program.

Plus as someone said, I want an offensive guy as our head coach. The game is clearly swayed to favor that side of the ball.
 
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