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Huge news. Has this been confirmed anywhere else?

While the article was about RCB declaring, the exact quote from Saturday Tradition is:

"After Northwestern head coach Pat Fitzgerald heard the good news that quarterback Peyton Ramsey was going to return for another year in Evanston – taking advantage of the extra year of eligibility granted by the NCAA – he was hoping for the return of wide receiver Ramaud Chiaokhiao-Bowman as well.

On Tuesday, Fitzgerald got the news he was hoping wouldn’t come."


https://saturdaytradition.com/north...erns-top-wr-from-2020-declares-for-nfl-draft/
 
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Sure is huge. Since NU loses Lees, RCB and McGowan, he could have been discouraged. The next up WRs must look good to him.
 
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Sure is huge. Since NU loses Lees, RCB and McGowan, he could have been discouraged. The next up WRs must look good to him.
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Making another run at Indy must look good to him, at least better than starting his coaching/teaching career.
 
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When the question of Ramsey returning came up in the Citrus Bowl Zoom Watch my expressed thought then was that another year might well give him the opportunity to improve his prospects for getting drafted. From that vantage point as well may prove to have been a smart decision.
 
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This is really good news, since continuity at QB is key for NU when we have a good one.
 
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And he has all spring and summer to work with the new receivers he will be throwing to. Plus, he has to feel good about the young talent there even allowing for the possibility of transfers coming in. Good news, indeed!
 
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Alaskawildkat said:
When the question of Ramsey returning came up in the Citrus Bowl Zoom Watch my expressed thought then was that another year might well give him the opportunity to improve his prospects for getting drafted. From that vantage point as well may prove to have been a smart decision.
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For him to get drafted, I think he will have to measurably improve his arm strength. He throws a nice catchable pass and knows where things should be in his progressions, understands game situations and is a leader on the field but doesn't have that quick release laser throw you see in the pros.
 
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Deeringfish said:
For him to get drafted, I think he will have to measurably improve his arm strength. He throws a nice catchable pass and knows where things should be in his progressions, understands game situations and is a leader on the field but doesn't have that quick release laser throw you see in the pros.
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Not just the arm strength (a tall order after 5 years) but even more, getting the mistakes out of his game. Not sure I see him as a pro. Solid college QB, but pro?
 
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Still can’t find any confirmation of him returning.
 
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CoralSpringsCat said:
Agree. Until I see something official; I'm not referencing Saturday Tradition as a credible source.
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If they were credible, they would have made that the story, not a throwaway line in a story about RCB. Love RCB but Ramsey is the story that would get the most clicks.
 
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Deeringfish said:
For him to get drafted, I think he will have to measurably improve his arm strength. He throws a nice catchable pass and knows where things should be in his progressions, understands game situations and is a leader on the field but doesn't have that quick release laser throw you see in the pros.
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That's like saying for him to get drafted, he needs to grow 5 inches. He's a good college QB. Not anywhere near NFL level.
 
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peatymeanis said:
That's like saying for him to get drafted, he needs to grow 5 inches. He's a good college QB. Not anywhere near NFL level.
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Ramsey reminds me a little of Ryan Fitzpatrick. He’s not the most talented guy, but he knows how to play the position.
 
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hdhntr1 said:
Not just the arm strength (a tall order after 5 years) but even more, getting the mistakes out of his game. Not sure I see him as a pro. Solid college QB, but pro?
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He makes very few mistakes given the offense around him--not a great running game and no game-breaking WRs. If it was based on decision-making and accuracy, I think he would be on NFL radars. But I don't think he has an NFL arm. But seems like he could make a great coach!
 
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torque-cat said:
He makes very few mistakes given the offense around him--not a great running game and no game-breaking WRs. If it was based on decision-making and accuracy, I think he would be on NFL radars. But I don't think he has an NFL arm. But seems like he could make a great coach!
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He’a got a really good feel for the position. I think he’s got a better shot than Thorson who had NFL traits, but never looked as polished or composed as Ramsey.
 
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peatymeanis said:
That's like saying for him to get drafted, he needs to grow 5 inches. He's a good college QB. Not anywhere near NFL level.
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Seeing the field, accuracy, pocket presence, and knowing where to go with the ball trumps raw arm strength every time. Think Montana, Theisman, Brees, etc.
 
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The Purple Knight said:
Seeing the field, accuracy, pocket presence, and knowing where to go with the ball trumps raw arm strength every time. Think Montana, Theisman, Brees, etc.
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True but even with those superior anticipatory capabilities and intangible qualities, there is a minimum amount of arm strength that is required to compete against the closing speed of NFL athletes. Ramsey does not have that level of arm strength. No shame in that. He is an outstanding college QB, a leader and a winner.
 
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Alaskawildkat said:
OK for those referencing arm strength how are the deep throws that we saw explained away?
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The best way to judge arm strength is to watch a QB throw a 15-20 yard out from the hash on one side of the field to the opposite sideline. Heck, you can see the ball floating when Ramsey throws a WR screen from the hash on one side all the way to the opposite sideline. You can get away with the ball hanging up there a bit in college but in the the NFL that’s seven points going the other way.
 
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It's more about velocity than it is about the deep throw, though in the League you do need to be able to keep defenses honest by going vertical. The most important thing is that coverage is so tight that you have to spin the ball quickly enough to get it into tight windows. Peyton's balls kind of float a bit and in the League they are going to get picked more easily.

If you look at Hunter's throws (I'll attach again the Analysis video from Urban Meyer which highlights his arm strength), he definitely has the velocity and arm strength to get the ball to where it needs to be in time and also to keep defenses honest. Can make that out throw effortlessly with precision. Just needs the game to slow down for him, get comfortable with the pressure he's going to see at NU (with our inadequate blocking) and in the League, and to remove his Alabama syndrome.

 
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Alaskawildkat said:
OK for those referencing arm strength how are the deep throws that we saw explained away?
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Deep throws aren’t the only measure of arm strength. For example if he’s rolling right can he fit a ball into a tight window 20 yards downfield on the opposite sideline.

EDIT: Corbi’s post went up as I was typing.
 
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ChicagoFan29 said:
He’a got a really good feel for the position. I think he’s got a better shot than Thorson who had NFL traits, but never looked as polished or composed as Ramsey.
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If you could take Thorson's physical talent and Ramsey's accuracy, anticipation and decision-making you would have yourself a first round QB. As it stands Thorson was 5th round (I think) and I'd be shocked if Ramsey got drafted.
 
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Geez, Urban Meyer makes Hunter Johnson sound like an All-American. I hope he stays at NU and becomes our next great QB after Remsey. I am still rooting for HJ.
 
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EvanstonCat said:
It's more about velocity than it is about the deep throw, though in the League you do need to be able to keep defenses honest by going vertical. The most important thing is that coverage is so tight that you have to spin the ball quickly enough to get it into tight windows. Peyton's balls kind of float a bit and in the League they are going to get picked more easily.

If you look at Hunter's throws (I'll attach again the Analysis video from Urban Meyer which highlights his arm strength), he definitely has the velocity and arm strength to get the ball to where it needs to be in time and also to keep defenses honest. Can make that out throw effortlessly with precision. Just needs the game to slow down for him, get comfortable with the pressure he's going to see at NU (with our inadequate blocking) and in the League, and to remove his Alabama syndrome.

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I agree about the velocity from personal experience.

I was never particularly athletic and my combination of unexceptional size combined with being a slow runner ensured that I wouldn't make a school football team. But for some reason that was as much a mystery to me as anyone else I could throw a football very well — about 45-50 yards with a tight spiral when I was going right.

Because I could throw and really couldn't run fast enough to be a back or receiver, I often played QB in sandlot games. My strength was throwing deep to a guy who got some separation behind coverage. I could throw a high ball quite a distance, putting enough air under the ball to let the receiver run under it in stride. There was a guy in my dorm who was a decent receiver, and we were often the terror of pickup games. I always go nuts when I see a college or pro QB throw a line drive that sails past a wide-open deep receiver.

But my deep ability didn't translate to shorter passes as I didn't have great arm strength. With proper technique I could get distance, but not a lot of zip. Always had to watch the short stuff didn't get intercepted. Over the years I learned that decent hand-eye coordination wasn't enough unless it was accompanied by a certain level of size, jumping ability, and speed in most popular U.S. sports.
 
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