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Jeffreauxdawg

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My big concern has been the ability for teams to have a game plan/discipline that just shuts down Leach's offense. I figured Kentucky would be the one to do it if it was possible. (Outside of the Bama/UGA massive talent advantage.)

Stoops is a career DB coach with tons of exposure to the air raid. The secondary is extremely experienced and disciplined. And they had an off week to prepare. It didn't matter.

Leach ran the ball 42% of the time (called runs to RB's.) The season average had been half that. Rogers had one bad throw that was a tough pass and was luckily dropped by the db, but was otherwise as perfect as you will ever see. The WR corps had velcro for hands. And the oline is improving.

One observation I had after watching goes back to an NFL conversation we had last week about Mahomes. Teams are dropping into coverage against the Chiefs now and when rocket arms Mahomes is off by a fraction, the ball is tipped of his receiver's hands and turns into a pick with all of the defenders back there. Is Will Rogers throwing a more "catchable" ball? Is that lack of arm strength actually an asset? Accurate and catchable sure seems to be working.


Now for the defense. What else can be said. It looked like 1999 out there. I know the d has been burned at times this year, but it's the strength of this team. 4 turnovers forced last night. As good as the offense was, that was a defensive win and you can't convince me Arnett was wearing socks last night.

That type of game plan and execution wins against our entire remaining schedule by 10+ points each game. I think the only steps necessary in year 3 or 4 are getting the oline capable of blocking the Bama/UGA fronts and maybe a real game breaker WR (looking at you Tulu/Ford) that can take those underneath passes through the entire secondary for a big one from time to time.

We have 2 more years of WR. No way he loses his spot to Robertson or anyone else and he doesn't have an NFL skill set that will have him leaving early. He's getting better and better at the 20-30 yard throws. If the oline can improve, Leach continues to run the ball 30-40% of the time when it's working, the defense can get a little more consistent, and the recievers don't have drops, I now see a team/coach that can win 10 games in the SEC. Not every year, but that's a pipe dream. But yeah, you can put it together every 3-4 years and make some real noise.

Last night erased any doubts I had left. The off week and familiarity advantage doesn't matter and Leach isn't so stubborn as to not run the ball in the red zone.
 

Coast Dawg

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Accurate and catchable balls sure worked well for a guy named Brees. He had decent arm strength a lot of his career but never a cannon

Not saying Rogers will ever be Brees II, but point stands
 

BoDawg.sixpack

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I guarantee you our WR's aren't complaining about the velocity of Will's throws. He throws the most catchable balls I've ever witnessed on the college level.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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He's growing and learning every game. His biggest improvement last night was not holding onto the ball too long. He's playing much smarter after having a consistent line up that's also growing and learning. Remember 40 something players for a game last year?

The biggest thing is he seems to be playing very smart and when you're playing very smart ball that makes up for the things that you may not have.
 

ZombieKissinger

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Other than the LSU anomaly, the UGA game last year was the first flash of our potential. The fact that we were clearly not executing optimally but were tied with them in the 4th quarter was huge. Probably would've won if JT Daniels hadn't returned that game. I think even the Bama game this year we played with them for a half. Score doesn't show it and the second half was a **** show, but we moved it on them in the 1st. Needed to turn those field goals into touchdowns and can't throw interceptions against a team like Bama, but there are some signs that this can work even against really talented teams. The Auburn game will be tough. I'm also worried Ole Miss burns our secondary a couple times -- Kentucky had chances last night. But I like where we're at. Would love to hang on to Arnett for another couple seasons and see what happens
 

Leeshouldveflanked

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This offense doesn’t go without well coached and disciplined OL…. That’s the Achilles . You can’t hide a weak link on the OL.
 

Smoked Toag

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Accurate and catchable balls sure worked well for a guy named Brees. He had decent arm strength a lot of his career but never a cannon

Not saying Rogers will ever be Brees II, but point stands
And Manning (both). And Brady.

Of course there's a baseline level of arm strength needed to play in the NFL, and I'm not sure Rogers has that. But accuracy and touch are near necessities to be great.
 

Ralph Cramden

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That is why Leach says its the most important group. Gotta have a good line. Also I wouldn't count Will's chances out for the NFL. Another year of playing and some teams may want him. He is comparable to Brees. Extremely accurate
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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Brees had a great arm until his last few years. He succeeded in the NFL with a weaker arm because he had 20 years of experience. Brees never gets to start a down in the NFL if he had his 40 year old arm at 23. So let's not use the second best passer in NFL history (only Marino is better in my book) as a comp for WR. That's not fair to either.

I almost mentioned it before, but now I will. Kellen Moore is a WR comp for me. Coaches son. Accurate as all get out, great touch, great timing, but never even average arm strength. He won 50 games in college and spent 5 years in the NFL as a backup and is on his way to becoming an NFL head coach next season at age 33. That's a much better comp for WR than Drew Brees.
 

PineGroveBully

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OL has been much better, UK was mimicking the snap count last night and AT LEAST one of those holds, the one where they called back the Woody TD was NOT a hold.
 

Smoked Toag

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That is why Leach says its the most important group. Gotta have a good line. Also I wouldn't count Will's chances out for the NFL. Another year of playing and some teams may want him. He is comparable to Brees. Extremely accurate
Line has been MSU's issue since the beginning of time. Seems like Mullen was the only one who bridged that gap slightly. But either way, seems like if we just keep the cupboard stacked to ensure we always have 2 full strings of them, and always 5 upperclass starters, we should stay serviceable there. Line has led to many calls for backup QBs over the years.

But Rogers arm strength doesn't compare to Brees. Ya'll need to get out of your feels on that stuff.
 

Chuck Yeager

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Brees never gets to start a down in the NFL if he had his 40 year old arm at 23. So let's not use the second best passer in NFL history (only Marino is better in my book) as a comp for WR. That's not fair to either.

Marino best passer ever?? LOL SMH.
 

maroonmadman

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We had 2 TDs called back due to penalties. We had a few drives that stalled or were at least made more difficult for ourselves due to penalties. We need to quit hurting ourselves, the refs and the other team are opponent enough, quit being our own worst problem. We can stop hurting ourselves and we will be a fairly good team.
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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Marino best passer ever?? LOL SMH.

This football stuff is new to you huh?

Who was a better passer, not overall QB, put passer? The time and era that Marino played in compared to the last 20 years is night and day. The absolute mugging the receivers took from DB's and the murder QB's took would have destroyed modern QB's careers as they did the guys before.

Marino threw for 5084 yards in 1984 and it took 27 years for Brees to break that number. It only took 2 years for Peyton to break Brees's record.

Marino passed for 61,000 yards 10,000 more than Elway and Moon who were from his era and the two closest to him in yds/game. Nobody was close to his TD's from the era.

Marino could absolutely sling it. In today's game, with good recievers. Marino would throw for 6,000 yards. Now with that said, he was a great passer, but not the best QB. He didn't always perform best in the clutch. He didn't necessarily do all the things it took to win. He's not Montana or Brady. He obviously didn't win any Super Bowls, but he could sling that rock. Marino's release and accuracy are legendary.

You comment like this is some kind of hot take, it's pretty commonly accepted that Marino is at or near the top of everyone's pure passer list.

"I like Aaron Rodgers... But the best pure passing QB that I've ever seen was Dan Marino. If Dan Marino had these rules, now he would have thrown for 7,000 yards." — Rod Woodson
 
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