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couple facts I find rather interesting:

Iowa has never won anything of consequence since starting football in 1899.

Nebraska leads the all-time series 29–17–3.

Iowa's S&C program put more kids in the hospital in one offseason (13) than they've had drafted since 2015 (12).

they are a second-rate afterthought program by every single measure of success.

happy Friday, GBR

We sent 2 kids the hospital in 2018 also with rhabdo, glass house and stones? Iowa is ahead of us at the moment as a program, we need to catch them before catching Wisconsin and then PSU, Michigan and Ohio State.
 

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We sent 2 kids the hospital in 2018 also with rhabdo, glass house and stones? Iowa is ahead of us at the moment as a program, we need to catch them before catching Wisconsin and then PSU, Michigan and Ohio State.

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Gary Andersen wanted athletic, flexible, mobile OL and the Wisconsin S&C was molded to that. Less compound lifts, rumors of no Olympic lifts (cleans/snatches), and more body weight/resistance band type stuff. He was moving UW to some BS uptempo spread.

In yr 1 of Chryst, it showed. They couldn't move a couch. Yr 2 started and Chryst beat LSU game 1 and had a good season.

My point is if you guys aren't ready in yr 2 it's time to question if you're gonna ever be ready.
 

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Gary Andersen wanted athletic, flexible, mobile OL and the Wisconsin S&C was molded to that. Less compound lifts, rumors of no Olympic lifts (cleans/snatches), and more body weight/resistance band type stuff. He was moving UW to some BS uptempo spread.

In yr 1 of Chryst, it showed. They couldn't move a couch. Yr 2 started and Chryst beat LSU game 1 and had a good season.

My point is if you guys aren't ready in yr 2 it's time to question if you're gonna ever be ready.
There is some validity to this and I do believe we will be better this year but not only did we flip the S&c we flipped to a large extent the entire roster do if it takes another year with new players then that is what it takes. The important thing to understand is that it will happen.

As far as Iowa having the better program puhlease........ any program that recruits and plays as a team to just hang in there and not get blown out is not a better program than NU

If I was an Iowa fan I would be pissed that they do not try to get to as point where they are better than just average
 

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There is some validity to this and I do believe we will be better this year but not only did we flip the S&c we flipped to a large extent the entire roster do if it takes another year with new players then that is what it takes. The important thing to understand is that it will happen.

As far as Iowa having the better program puhlease........ any program that recruits and plays as a team to just hang in there and not get blown out is not a better program than NU

If I was an Iowa fan I would be pissed that they do not try to get to as point where they are better than just average
Being satisfied with the program and pointing out that it has out performed "N" lately are not the same thing.
 

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Being satisfied with the program and pointing out that it has out performed "N" lately are not the same thing.

there are 81 other teams that can say the same. congratulations. everybody knows regular season wins over 4-8 teams are what's most important in college football.

can't wait to see all the banners hanging in kinnick stadium highlighting these salad days of iowa football. have to think there's plenty of room considering the complete lack of actually notable achievements.

Nebraska: 5x national champs, top-5 winningest program in history
iowa: 1-time orange bowl participant, outperformed big brother lately

man it's good to be a cornhusker
 

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there are 81 other teams that can say the same. congratulations. everybody knows regular season wins over 4-8 teams are what's most important in college football.

can't wait to see all the banners hanging in kinnick stadium highlighting these salad days of iowa football. have to think there's plenty of room considering the complete lack of actually notable achievements.

Nebraska: 5x national champs, top-5 winningest program in history
iowa: 1-time orange bowl participant, outperformed big brother lately

man it's good to be a cornhusker
Are you calling Iowa/Nebraska a rivalry?
 

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Typical "N" prejudice.

Mississippi River > Missouri River.

Dude, why are you on our board YET AGAIN. Do you have a Husker obsession....or is it something else. Move the F a long. You shouldn’t be knocking any Husker on a Husker board when you apparently have an obsession problem. And you keep trying to knock the Huskers...Iowa and the Huskers are dam near identical right now and this is the Huskers worst run EVER...that should tell you something. Husker admins need to just ban you and be do with it.
 
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Iowa is the Kansas state of the Big10, yes they can say they beat us during a down period. If Pelini can beat Iowa I have the utmost confidence Frost will do so on a regular basis. Iowa will be the same in coming years Nebraska will lightyears better

You nailed it...that’s been my point lately with bringing up Bo Pelini. He owned Iowa and he wasn’t a great Head Coach. Scott Frost is twice the Head Coach Bo was and if Bo owned Iowa...this more then shows what’s in store for Iowa against the Huskers....Let this sink in...year one It took Iowa a last second field goal just to beat the Huskers at Iowa with the Huskers having true freshman’s and sophomore’s all over the field. Iowa should have KILLED us. A coaching staff that’s been in place for 20 plus years...at Iowa and a elite defense line and an overall great defense in general....but yet it took a last second field goal to win....not looking good for Iowa.
 
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We sent 2 kids the hospital in 2018 also with rhabdo, glass house and stones? Iowa is ahead of us at the moment as a program, we need to catch them before catching Wisconsin and then PSU, Michigan and Ohio State.

And I’m pretty sure one of those was Tyjon Lindsey and he wasn’t hurt by S&C...he got very SICK. Huge difference there. And I have no clue who this second guy your talking about...

Weight lifting, in year one is when you make all your big gains and so on. Year two is molding and getting to where you want to be at. It only takes a year to get your maximum gains..so this year we should see Huskers equaling out to other teams strength wise. But this year Duvall will start focusing on modeling a lot of these guys out. But I’m killing this 2-3 years in S&C to get there now. There’s a reason why you see sophomores exploding and blowing up all over the country...
 

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A+ meatballing and hatering but yes, the one thing Iowa does very well is is S&C. They develop low-rated recruits through their system and S&C program and produce good-if-not-great teams especially along the OL and DL and at TE.

No, they haven't won a title in a very long time but also neither has Nebraska and I don't know why you guys insist on ignoring that they've whipped NU's *** badly the last several times out. Losing a closer game last year doesn't give us bragging rights.
last second field goal in a game they were favored is barely a win, not an *** whipping, unless your using iowa's historical perspectives
 

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last second field goal in a game they were favored is barely a win, not an *** whipping, unless your using iowa's historical perspectives

Right, peeps keeping jumping back into the Riley eras. It’s Scott Frosts run now. Let’s leave it there...two: it’s not exactly fair to Frost or his players being viewed and compared to Riley and his players.
Agreed, Frost and his team has NOT gotten his *** whipped by Iowa...Iowa got by with the skin of their teeth last season...and that was only year 1 with an extremely young team.
 
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Typical "N" prejudice.

Mississippi River > Missouri River.
Missouri river is MUCH more dangerous than the Mississippi, imbecile touting your "nowledge.

what he is saying, in effect, is go out and play on Interstate 80, oh brilliant one----or, JUST LEAVE
 

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I’m making this clear now as well. Our goals are to get to Wisconsin’s level S&C wise. We should be hitting Iowa’s level now. Wisconsin is our goals and will be a year away at least....possibly. But that doesn’t mean we can’t compete with them or beat them this year. Wisconsin recruits close to our level of talent (actually a little under our level) and their the team we are busting our butts to get equal too. So enough of the Iowa bs...they are a joke and haven’t accomplished crap and never will while giving Kirk raises. When we hit our stride...it will be Wisconsin, PSU, Michigan and those teams we equal out to. Iowa is a middle of the pack team.
 
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And I’m pretty sure one of those was Tyjon Lindsey and he wasn’t hurt by S&C...he got very SICK. Huge difference there. And I have no clue who this second guy your talking about...

Weight lifting, in year one is when you make all your big gains and so on. Year two is molding and getting to where you want to be at. It only takes a year to get your maximum gains..so this year we should see Huskers equaling out to other teams strength wise. But this year Duvall will start focusing on modeling a lot of these guys out. But I’m killing this 2-3 years in S&C to get there now. There’s a reason why you see sophomores exploding and blowing up all over the country...

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp...olysis-scott-frost/1e47qxljr8fp913t0zutt301h6
 

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Iowa is not a good program. Facts are facts. They're trash, have always been trash, will always be trash.
The biggest thing is they aren't as good as they think they are. An 8 win season to them is like a NC to other schools.
 
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S&C isn't something that happens overnight. There's a reason why, when a kid commits to a school whether he be a high school freshman or a high school senior, the school gets him copies of their workout regimens very quickly. College S&C and high school S&C is a world of difference, unless you're maybe IMG Academy. It takes years to build up the results that you see on Saturdays.

It has little to do with Nebraska not being able to build up the S&C and more to do with how long it takes the body to absorb and build upon the results. Granted, Iowa does pretty good at S&C so if that's going to be your model for comparison sake, to say it will only take 2 years to be at the same level would be a compliment.

Do you even lift, bro?
 

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We hear some say it could be a few year for Nebraska to get caught up to teams like Iowa when it comes to S&C. Wondering why it would take a few years? I know little to nothing about conditioning,nutrition and muscle gain. I know under Riley we basically had 3 years of no S&C. So for those with more knowledge on the topic, how long does it take to make up those losses? Just my naive opinion but it seems that 2 years of S&C should be enough to put o weight and muscle to be equal to other BIG10 teams. Or is more from a depth perspective vs and actual just getting bigger.

Here's some info from someone who actually knows a little about S&C, not iowa dipshits.

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/boyd-...cle_1a7c4940-a387-11e5-9643-0bc10d4a2c5d.html

This was when Riley took over. Check the final paragraph.

Also, Duval obviously had UCF up to speed by year 2.
 
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Here's some info from someone who actually knows a little about S&C, not iowa dipshits.

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/boyd-...cle_1a7c4940-a387-11e5-9643-0bc10d4a2c5d.html

This was when Riley took over. Check the final paragraph.

Also, Duval obviously had UCF up to speed by year 2.
So if he thought we were a year and half from where we needed to be at the start of Riley . Then Riley made it even worse for 3 years Does that mean we could need 3-5 years to get to where we need to be?
Yes Duval had UCF where they needed to be year 2. However the AAC S&C and the BIG10 S&C are 2 vastly differently levels I think. What cut it there would probably be middle of the pack in the BIG10
 

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So if he thought we were a year and half from where we needed to be at the start of Riley . Then Riley made it even worse for 3 years Does that mean we could need 3-5 years to get to where we need to be?
Yes Duval had UCF where they needed to be year 2. However the AAC S&C and the BIG10 S&C are 2 vastly differently levels I think. What cut it there would probably be middle of the pack in the BIG10

No idea, obviously Riley made things worse but at least it's something to go off of.

I don't think there is a definitive answer here, but I do know we'll be in a helluva lot better shape than last year.
 
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So if he thought we were a year and half from where we needed to be at the start of Riley . Then Riley made it even worse for 3 years Does that mean we could need 3-5 years to get to where we need to be?
Yes Duval had UCF where they needed to be year 2. However the AAC S&C and the BIG10 S&C are 2 vastly differently levels I think. What cut it there would probably be middle of the pack in the BIG10

UCF held up fine against Auburn.
 
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UCF held up fine against Auburn.
Very true, I do take meaningless bowl games with a grain of salt. S&C holding up for 1 game vs those type of teams every game the whole season long is a little different. Yes, our S&C has to be better than last year. I think it will be enough to beat teams like Iowa, not sure if it will be enough to beat teams like Ohio St.
 

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Very true, I do take meaningless bowl games with a grain of salt. S&C holding up for 1 game vs those type of teams every game the whole season long is a little different. Yes, our S&C has to be better than last year. I think it will be enough to beat teams like Iowa, not sure if it will be enough to beat teams like Ohio St.

by this measure, the only team with good S&C is also the one getting players suspended for PEDs left and right (Clemson).

Purdue's S&C: better than Ohio St?

we didn't take ONE snap under center last year. we're not pounding it down teams' throats. spread 'em out, use our speed, S&C becomes A LOT less important.

on defense, just hold the opponent to 1 less point than we score. the most physical team we played last year scored 6 points (MSU). S&C bad that game?

the most important part of training is injury prevention, and that's where it'll show up most.

this thread is way off the rails
 

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Very true, I do take meaningless bowl games with a grain of salt. S&C holding up for 1 game vs those type of teams every game the whole season long is a little different. Yes, our S&C has to be better than last year. I think it will be enough to beat teams like Iowa, not sure if it will be enough to beat teams like Ohio St.

We about had the Bucks beat at their joint last year.
 
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last second field goal in a game they were favored is barely a win, not an *** whipping, unless your using iowa's historical perspectives
NU has lost 4 in a row to Iowa by a combined average of 20.75 points. If you go back 6 games NU has lost 5 of 6 and it only won that one game by...wait for it...a field goal.

Combined 227 to 126 deficit over those six games. 101 spare points. That's *** whipping, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Maybe I'm just a different generation of Husker fan, but I didn't grow up celebrating just losing by a field goal. Until the Ws start stacking west of the Missouri River again, yes, NU is looking up at Iowa.

I expect that to change, but it ain't changed yet.
 
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by this measure, the only team with good S&C is also the one getting players suspended for PEDs left and right (Clemson).

Purdue's S&C: better than Ohio St?

we didn't take ONE snap under center last year. we're not pounding it down teams' throats. spread 'em out, use our speed, S&C becomes A LOT less important.

on defense, just hold the opponent to 1 less point than we score. the most physical team we played last year scored 6 points (MSU). S&C bad that game?

the most important part of training is injury prevention, and that's where it'll show up most.

this thread is way off the rails
Not really. I am saying the S&C to win consistently in the AAC or MAC or really any non P5 long term is going to be different than winning long term in BIG10. Bigger fast strong athletes overall. I guess I shouldn't say the process is going to much different. I am sure what Duval did at UCF is pretty well the same as what he is doing here. I am saying the level to compete consistently in the AAC took 2 years. To compete in the BIG where they guys are bigger fast stronger, it may take a bit longer to get the guys just a bit bigger, fast, stronger ect.
 

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NU has lost 4 in a row to Iowa by a combined average of 20.75 points.

Maybe I'm just a different generation of Husker fan, but I didn't grow up celebrating just losing by a field goal.
Agree, a loss is a loss. I would take a team who fights to the end and loses by a last second field, vs a team who gives up and loses by 3 tds any day. Yes we still lost last year, but that loss give a lot more hope for the future.
 

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Dude, why are you on our board YET AGAIN. Do you have a Husker obsession....or is it something else. Move the F a long. You shouldn’t be knocking any Husker on a Husker board when you apparently have an obsession problem. And you keep trying to knock the Huskers...Iowa and the Huskers are dam near identical right now and this is the Huskers worst run EVER...that should tell you something. Husker admins need to just ban you and be do with it.
1) I think that was sort of a joke
2) it is okay for fans of other programs to come over here and have discourse with us.
3) its possible for our fans to have discourse with visiting fans to our board without immediately getting defensive, insulting, or territorial.

This isn't meant only for you, but for anyone who acts like this when other fans come over here. Dude made some points in the first couple of posts, and then everyone tries to piss on him for being here. From reading this thread, its mostly our fans who are acting like trolls. There are definitely trolls who come over here. The way to make them irrelevant is to put them on ignore. The sooner no one responds to them or sees their posts, the better. I don't think Perky is necessarily over here trolling.
 

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Agree, a loss is a loss. I would take a team who fights to the end and loses by a last second field, vs a team who gives up and loses by 3 tds any day. Yes we still lost last year, but that loss give a lot more hope for the future.
I'm off getting excited about the "almost wins." After how pumped up we got about close losses early in Riley's tenure only to watch that team evolve into a smoldering pile of garbage, I've learned the lesson that a loss is a loss and teams don't always trend upward just because another year has gone by.

I'm very excited to have Frost as HC and I think he'll build something special at NU again, but he'd be the first to tell you that's only proven on the field.
 

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And I’m pretty sure one of those was Tyjon Lindsey and he wasn’t hurt by S&C...he got very SICK. Huge difference there. And I have no clue who this second guy your talking about...

Weight lifting, in year one is when you make all your big gains and so on. Year two is molding and getting to where you want to be at. It only takes a year to get your maximum gains..so this year we should see Huskers equaling out to other teams strength wise. But this year Duvall will start focusing on modeling a lot of these guys out. But I’m killing this 2-3 years in S&C to get there now. There’s a reason why you see sophomores exploding and blowing up all over the country...
Agree with 95% of this. Only thing I would change, and this is just my opinion, I believe we'll be able to "push back" this year in the trenches, while next year I believe starts the "controlling the line of scrimmage" concept again. In addition to that, being able to control the line of scrimmage for an entire game is where I think year 3 also comes into play there.
 

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NU has lost 4 in a row to Iowa by a combined average of 20.75 points. If you go back 6 games NU has lost 5 of 6 and it only won that one game by...wait for it...a field goal.

Combined 227 to 126 deficit over those six games. 101 spare points. That's *** whipping, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Maybe I'm just a different generation of Husker fan, but I didn't grow up celebrating just losing by a field goal. Until the Ws start stacking west of the Missouri River again, yes, NU is looking up at Iowa.

I expect that to change, but it ain't changed yet.
are you putting words in my mouth and/or thoughts in my head? I was talking about the most recent game and the ONLY one coached by the current coach, and it wasn't an *** whipping. what you are saying is, obviously, true, but, in case you forgot, that's why the last guy got fired, remember? and I'm not celebrating anything except my anniversary. I just define *** whipping differently than you do and, I don't give a crap about what the last idiot couldn't accomplish on the field.
 
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