Question for the Reds
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He didn't admit it was "collusion". He never lied about the meeting actually happening once Jr. admitted to it did he?
Up to that point he was simply denying any "collusion" meetings, then this came up. When it did, neither he nor Jr. lied about it.
Obama and Hillary tried to hide their meetings and arrangements that were collusion and then lied they ever took place.
Big difference.
"Got out," I guess that's one way to put it. Don't worry, Jeff's going to un-recuse himself and get to the bottom of this.
"Got out," I guess that's one way to put it. Don't worry, Jeff's going to un-recuse himself and get to the bottom of this.
YOU ARE SICK! That deflated empty suit!
LMAO!!!!!!! Those shoes! Just Damn.
We're going to need more Diaper changing stations for Leftists hanging out here on the OT forum!
They're making a mess and it stinks the more they drop ordinance.
How is pointing out that one side lied imply that the other didn't? The question I answered was for an example of lies told by the Trump campaign.
How am I supposed to all of the sudden give a **** if one side lies according to the side that never gave a **** about lies when the lies helped them
Why do you suppose that the FISA warrants issued by "someone" in the Obama administration based on the details in that salacious and phony dossier were never fully revealed to Congress or the American people?
You can call that either a lie (they did lie over knowing who actually issued them and why) or refusing to tell the Truth because no one was made aware of their existence until Trump suggested his headquarters were being bugged.
They even lied about that! (Media and Obama admin) Name one thing Trump's group did even remotely similar to that Democrat pack of prevaricators?
You are getting almost as good as Coop ducking and dodging and weaving to get around the central point in this scrum. Only one side has been caught in a tangled web of lies and only one side in this intricately woven tale of deceit has only itself to blame for the Truth now emerging exposing the entire scam front to back.
It's like watching Roaches scatter after someone flips the light on exposing all of the filth and nastiness they were wallowing in!
Lies aren't subjective. If you give an untruthful answer to a question, then it comes out that the answer was untruthful, that's was a lie. I'm concerned by lies. You are concerned about lies from people whose politics disagree with yours.
mule_eer are you confident the lies told about Trump in fact are true? If they're not, what does that say about the ones who've been telling all of the lies about him, and persist in spreading them?
If Trump is lying and trying to hide his collusion with the Russians...explain what he's lying about right now to cover that up?
Want me to lay it out for you on the other side? You probably don't.
The FISA warrants are classified, right? Doesn't that answer your question about that?
You asked for an example of a lie. I gave it. Now it's not a big enough lie? Be more clear in what you ask if you are going to nit pick the answers.
The collusion issue is being investigated. The Uranium 1 issue is being investigated. I say good on both. Let's find out what happened. Let's find out if any of that was criminal. I'm not making assumptions going into either, but I'm hopeful that the truth will be exposed in both cases.
FYI @mule_eer
Media and Dems have no problem lying about Trump
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/8/dems-media-have-no-problem-lying-about-trump/
Why are Republican lies "bad" but Democrat lies OK?
http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/03/republican-lies-bad-democrat-lies-okay/
The whole Trump/Russia collusion story is a big lie
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...rump-russia-collusion_story_is_a_big_lie.html
The quest to prove Trump collusion is crumbling
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ollusion-is-crumbling/?utm_term=.9fda26c682e3
Media and Dems have no problem lying about Trump
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/8/dems-media-have-no-problem-lying-about-trump/
Why are Republican lies "bad" but Democrat lies OK?
http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/03/republican-lies-bad-democrat-lies-okay/
The whole Trump/Russia collusion story is a big lie
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...rump-russia-collusion_story_is_a_big_lie.html
The quest to prove Trump collusion is crumbling
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ollusion-is-crumbling/?utm_term=.9fda26c682e3
Yes they are, but not who issued them and why? No one knows anything...Why not? They issued themselves?
Who unmasked those names on them? That's illegal, why aren't you concerned about that and why doesn't anyone in the Obama Justice department know anything about any of it?
Are they telling the Truth or lying through their teeth? What do you think mule_eer?
The trouble is mule_eer your example wasn't a lie! A lie is a known admission of an alternate fact that the person knows is untrue. Trump or Trump Jr. didn't "lie" about their meeting with that Russian in your example. When?
Once that meeting became public knowledge they both admitted to it. Trump's been denying all along he ever "colluded" with any Russians...this meeting didn't change that assertion because it wasn't "collusion." It's the Left's fake attempt to validate their false claim against him in the first place.
Meanwhile, actual meetings, and planning, and plotting, and payments with Russian political operatives hired by and commissioned by Democrats on behalf of the Clinton campaign designed to lie on and smear Trump are denied as real "collusion" and defended by lobotomized Leftists as legitimate opposition research.
Yet you defend all of it then try to say Trump's the one who's really been caught "lying" here while the Dems and Hillary deny their trickery with the Russians to assure her election and railroad Trump's campaign.
You're drunk....or smoking some serious Mary Jane.
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Junior lied. He got caught in it. He told the truth after - even released the emails. People lie for a reason, sometimes not for good reasons. Maybe he thought it looked bad even though he thought nothing bad happened. It's a reason to lie. It's a lie though.
You keep trying to paint me as someone who is only concerned about lies from the Trump side of things. That's simply not the case. I'm concerned about people who want to run the country or people who run the country who lie to us. You're trying to make it sound as if that's not my concern. Of course you probably need explicit verification of that, just like you need to make sure that people who identify themselves as Christian are reborn before your own eyes. I'm not the one being unreasonable. If people lie, I think they should be called on it - regardless of their political affiliation. If people abuse their power, I think they should be held accountable. I also think that we are a nation founded on the ideal that people are innocent until proven guilty. Investigate the things that need to be investigated. If there's sufficient evidence, charge them and try them. I'm really not interested in hearsay and slanted, partial stories. Figure out what happened, who did wrong, and do something about it.
I don't want to get into a pissing match with you over this mule_eer but you're lying now IMO. That remark you made about Christians is NOT my position and if you don't know that by now there's no point in me explaining it to you any further as I know I have in the past. So I'll just leave that where it belongs--in your head.
I do respect you wanting to get to the bottom of whatever happened here, but I see you like many on the Left essentially excusing the mountain of damning evidence all pointing toward Hillary and Dems regarding any real "collusion" and still insisting Trump is actually the one here caught with his pants down and tongue forked.
No way.
So I'll just leave it at agreeing with you that we really do need to get to the bottom of this and prosecute the liars, lawbreakers, and leeches who tried to subvert our Democratic electoral process in favor of raw political power.
The Left's entire meme since Trump's upset election is that he was illegitimately elected...that he either cheated or somehow "colluded" to steal the election from Hillary against the will of the American people.
That is an outright lie and I have yet to hear you condemn it so I'm skeptical of your sudden determination to get to the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth in this entire affair. You know that's not true (Trump cheated to win) and your silence over calling that out as a lie confirms my suspicions about your overall sincerity in determining who actually was doing any "collusion" during the last election cycle?
However, I will take you at your word that you are indeed bothered by what we still do not know about what actually went down here, and once the guilty have been identified, prosecuted and punished, I will join you in celebrating that Justice was finally served here and thankfully done for the good of the Country.
I do appreciate that liberals have finally decided that lies are wrong and that people lie for a reason. Call me cynical but I think their newfound morals may be a bit more situational than they are willing to admit because it wasnt too long ago politicians telling lies was acceptable because all politicians tell lies. Of course that was their view when the lues were told by people they agreed with. Put me in the skeptical category. We aee staring at a lot of lies in the near future from most of their heroes and I am guessing those lies wont be nearly as disgusting as their reaction to lies from their President now.