Question for the board

[Tlass]

My Wife swears she saw/heard on TV (ESPN) that Boston and San Antonio were thinking about a trade Tatum for Lennord. I haven't seen or heard anyting of the like. I told her she was bat **** crazy (yeah i put my foot in my mouth and that couch was a bit uncomfortable).. But it just seemed so far fetched. Anyways has anyone else heard this "rumor"?

Thanks- Please help me get of that couch

 

[Canadian Dukie]

As a Celtic fan.........please say it aint so!!

 

[TheDude1]

Yes, have heard this.

 

[nets on nets on nets]

That is a rumor. Celtics need to decide if they want to go all-in right now with Kawhi, or be set up for the next 15 years with Tatum and Brown.

 

[Canadian Dukie]

Leonard's a great player,but long term Tatum's a guy who could get his jersey hung in the rafters........no easy feat in Boston

 

[Mac9192]

Make sure you have a good pillow.

 

[timo0402]

You guys do realize that Leonard has at least 8+ good years left, it’s not like he’s washed up.

 

[CRAZIE4LIFE]

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[PatrickYates]

Honestly, the way KL has handled this year would have to scare off a lot of suitors. Yes, he's a great player, but I'm not sure teams will think he's worth the potential headache.

 

[nets on nets on nets]

You guys do realize that Leonard has at least 8+ good years left, it’s not like he’s washed up.

Yep. And he was a top 5 player in the league last year. Tatum is great, but there's a good chance that he's never gonna be "peak Kawhi-good."

As a Cavs homer, I hope the Celtics stay away from Kawhi.

 

[Canadian Dukie]

My opinion was as my being a Celtic and Duke fan,nothing against Leonard,love having Tatum and Kyrie playing for the team I cheer for

 

[CRAZIE4LIFE]

After the way he has handled this season, I'd stay away. He seems to be acting like a diva and he ain't that good. I think he is a decent player that benefitted from playing for a Spurs team that made him look better.

 

[Canadian Dukie]

Tatum's 19 years old,give him some time to reach his full potential

 

[timo0402]

My opinion was as my being a Celtic and Duke fan,nothing against Leonard,love having Tatum and Kyrie playing for the team I cheer for

This is fair. I’d rather keep Tatum as a duke fan bc i like having multiple duke guys on the same team.

But if you’re Ainge, you have to think long and hard about reasons to not make this deal. Kawai, Hayward and Kyrie is filthy

 

[nets on nets on nets]

But if you’re Ainge, you have to think long and hard about reasons to not make this deal. Kawai, Hayward and Kyrie is filthy

That is the million dollar question. If you're the Celtics, do you go all in starting next year? You still have Lebron to compete against, and then there is the monster that is the Warriors. I actually think it makes more sense for the Celtics to wait another couple years before going "All-In." Let the Warriors reign die down, Lebron will be over 35, and then the Celtics can strike gold.

Good chance the NBA is the Sixers and Celtic's league in 5 years.

 

[timo0402]

That is the million dollar question. If you're the Celtics, do you go all in starting next year? You still have Lebron to compete against, and then there is the monster that is the Warriors. I actually think it makes more sense for the Celtics to wait another couple years before going "All-In." Let the Warriors reign die down, Lebron will be over 35, and then the Celtics can strike gold.

Good chance the NBA is the Sixers and Celtic's league in 5 years.

I disagree, Hayward is “already” 28. You really trying to “wait” another 5 years. Kyrie entering his prime, kawai entering/already in his prime, you pair those two up with another star you go for it. I think Bron goes west to Houston, and even if he does stay, don’t think he will be able to attract enough to Cleveland. I think you go all in now- you also have to remeber they have been in building mode for the better part of the last five years or so. They showed they’re ready to make moves last year and i think the target was 2018-19 season.

 

[PatrickYates]

That is the million dollar question. If you're the Celtics, do you go all in starting next year? You still have Lebron to compete against, and then there is the monster that is the Warriors. I actually think it makes more sense for the Celtics to wait another couple years before going "All-In." Let the Warriors reign die down, Lebron will be over 35, and then the Celtics can strike gold.

Good chance the NBA is the Sixers and Celtic's league in 5 years.

Exactly. The title window for the Celts/Sixers opens in 2-3 years, and runs for 4-5 after that.

 

[Tlass]

Well, thanks for the feedback. I have to run out and buy candy and flowers.. Side note I guess if the Rumor has any legs, Tatum in San antonio he would be a shoe if for that becoming HIS team IMO. But i'd rather see him win a title with Kyrie in Boston.

 

[sheyduke]

Bad move for both Tatum and Celtics. Leonard , while a good two way player just doesn’t have the ability on the offensive end like Tatum.

A lot of rumors too that Leonard was upset because the spurs weren’t handling his injury properly and that’s what lead to him getting a second opinion. I think the rumor was spurs were trying to rush Leonard back when he wasn’t no where near healthy.

 

[bullcity gamer]

Kawhi has been injury prone the past couple of seasons, I am sure the Celtics would look at that before trading away Tatum. Don’t the Celtics have someone’s lottery pick for this upcoming draft? If so, would love to see them pick up Bags or Carter.

 

[bullcity gamer]

To answer my own question. I saw it’s the Lakers unprotected draft pick for this year. If the Lakers get the overall #1 pick (it belongs to Philadelphia), if the draft pick is between #2-#5 it belongs to Boston. If the draft pick falls out of the top 5, the pick remains with the Lakers. Good chance Bags or Carter will end up a Celtic or Laker.

 

[sheyduke]

I’d rather them fall to either the Celtics or Lakers. A lot of help needed in the front court for the lakers and Brad Stephens isn’t afraid to play his rookies.

Marvin would thrive as well as Carter with the Celtics.

 

[DukeDenver]

Assembling a great NBA roster is all about managing risk and avoiding bad max contracts. At this time, I view Tatum as a better asset in terms of cost/risk ratio.

 

[PatrickYates]

Assembling a great NBA roster is all about managing risk and avoiding bad max contracts. At this time, I view Tatum as a better asset in terms of cost/risk ratio.

Honestly, if KL had not behaved the way he has this, year, I'd tell the Celts to make that trade. They'd have time, during the prime's of Heyward, Kryie, and KL (and the tail end of Horford's prime) to win 1-2 titles. And they'd still have a decent core at the end of that prime going forward.
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But KL's behavior this year is worrisome to me.
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As others have said, I think we are tilting at windmills here. He wants to be in LA, one way or the other.

 

[sheyduke]

Honestly, if KL had not behaved the way he has this, year, I'd tell the Celts to make that trade. They'd have time, during the prime's of Heyward, Kryie, and KL (and the tail end of Horford's prime) to win 1-2 titles. And they'd still have a decent core at the end of that prime going forward.
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But KL's behavior this year is worrisome to me.
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As others have said, I think we are tilting at windmills here. He wants to be in LA, one way or the other.

Read and article last night linking six teams to trade for Leonard( Sixers, Cavs,Knicks, Celtics, Brooklynn and one more.) Out of the six the Celtics have the best assessts out side of the 76’s for a trade with the spurs( 76’s picks and Celtics young assests and picks).
However if a trade happens every team is taking a risk come free agency if he stays our not

 

[PatrickYates]

Read and article last night linking six teams to trade for Leonard( Sixers, Cavs,Knicks, Celtics, Brooklynn and one more.) Out of the six the Celtics have the best assessts out side of the 76’s for a trade with the spurs( 76’s picks and Celtics young assests and picks).
However if a trade happens every team is taking a risk come free agency if he stays our not

The Celts have the assets, but they have to be giddy thinking about the future of Tatum and Brown. That is two players who figure to EXCEL in the positionless wings future the NBA is speeding towards. A lot may hinge on the rest of the season, especially the lottery. If the Celts luck into pick number 2-5, they might tell the SAS to pound sand. If the pick turns into a high enough pick, they might be able to snag Bamba, who figures to be the defensive minded big they need long term. He certainly will under their HC. If I had Bamba, and the wings, to provide support for a big three of Horford, Kyrie, and Heyward, I might stand pat. In 3-4 years, the "current" superstars will take a backseat to the young guns. Or be traded for supporting assets. Or whatever.
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I'll take Tatum, Brown, and Bamba vs anyone in 5 years. ANYONE. You just need a Gary Trent level backup wing, a quality (though by no means SUPERSTAR) PG that can make threes and defend (George Hill level talent), and a rugged PF that will defend and rebound. Throw in a few journeymen backups and that is a dynasty.
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That hinges on the lottery and getting the right defensive big THIS year. If that doesn't happen (and it can't or won't next year), then the Celts might be wise to trade Tatum, and others, for KL rtfn, and try to win a few titles in the next 2-3 years, because after that, Kyrie's health concerns and Horford's age will make beating the Sixers extremely difficult, to say nothing of whatever beasts emerge from the West.
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With a good pick from the LAL this year (next year's might be towards the end of the first round), the Celts can build for a peak that will occur in 2-3 years and last for 5-8 beyond that. If they can't get a young developmental big to learn behind Horford, the Celtics' peak will have to be soon, and waiting on Tatum and Brown to "ripen" might not be worth it. If it weren't for the Sixers, I'd say Eff it, and try to build for the future. But the sixers look legit, and planning around them, WITHOUT a good young big, would be foolhardy.

 

[PatrickYates]

Read and article last night linking six teams to trade for Leonard( Sixers, Cavs,Knicks, Celtics, Brooklynn and one more.) Out of the six the Celtics have the best assessts out side of the 76’s for a trade with the spurs( 76’s picks and Celtics young assests and picks).
However if a trade happens every team is taking a risk come free agency if he stays our not

I can't imagine the Sixers pulling the trigger on this one. I mean, they WOULD, but they won't give up Simmons or Embiid, and I'm not sure they've got the other assets to make the deal palatable to SAS. I like Saric (sp?) and Fultz, but I like them on that team with Simmons and Embiid. I wouldn't take either or both for KL.
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Honestly, if George/LBJ head to the LAL, Ingram and Kuzcma for KL would make sense. The LAL become an elite team over night, and SAS gets the type of young assets that could probably turn into a quality team in a few years.

 

[sheyduke]

I can't imagine the Sixers pulling the trigger on this one. I mean, they WOULD, but they won't give up Simmons or Embiid, and I'm not sure they've got the other assets to make the deal palatable to SAS. I like Saric (sp?) and Fultz, but I like them on that team with Simmons and Embiid. I wouldn't take either or both for KL.
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Honestly, if George/LBJ head to the LAL, Ingram and Kuzcma for KL would make sense. The LAL become an elite team over night, and SAS gets the type of young assets that could probably turn into a quality team in a few years.

76’s don’t have to give up anyone. They have three first round picks and two second rounds this draft. They are also under the salary cap. Lebron isn’t going to LA. Paul George might but LA will be under the salary cap and can wait until Leonard becomes a free agent to sign him.

Every team will shy away kinda because they will be scared of giving up assets for a possible one year rental. Lakers already know this from the Dwight Howard mess where they gave up so much thinking they could get him to stay then he bolted to Houston.

76’s and Celtics are the only two teams in the east that could actually handle the loss if he left after one year. 76’s more then the Celtics because they already have their young core intact and don’t see them giving up no more then two picks for Leonard.