Question for the board. Lemonis and bad calls.....

[thekimmer]

Numerous data points, including the two-base error call this weekend, have solidified my opinion that Lemonis might be most easy going coach I have ever seen about arguing bad calls. Perhaps that is just his personality or maybe that part of his coaching persona is still developing. I really have no complaints about the product on the field. The players seem to respond well to him and I like his approach to the game.

Does his reticence to do a little fire-breathing when blue messes up bother anyone or do you see it as a potential negative for the team?

Just wondering how folks feel about that.

 

[She Mate Me]

I've never been partial to managers screaming like fools at umpires. Don't think it's necessary, but I acknowledge I may be missing something.

I'm pretty sure he's an intense dude. Just doesn't feel the need to show the veins in his neck.

 

[Nama Carl]

Relaxed personality seems to lend itself to relaxed play on the field. Good recruiter plus a relaxed personality seems to be the ticket for baseball success, assuming you can handle the discipline problems. He sent Scottie McCreery packing so I guess he has a backbone.

What does yelling at umpires accomplish anyway? Getting yourself tossed and making those umps hate you? I mean we have replay now for 80% of the bad calls.

 

[patdog]

I've said it before, but making a fool of yourself arguing calls is way overrated. You're not going to influence the next call, and even if you do it's as likely to go against you because you've pissed the umpire off as it is to go for you because he's giving you a make-up call.

 

[Arthur2478]

I think a lot of that might be due to the introduction of replay. If you feel strongly a play was wrong, then just go to the replay. Yelling at the on field ump won't affect the decision of the officials in Birmingham.

 

[missouridawg]

Relaxed personality seems to lend itself to relaxed play on the field. Good recruiter plus a relaxed personality seems to be the ticket for baseball success, assuming you can handle the discipline problems. He sent Scottie McCreery packing so I guess he has a backbone.

What does yelling at umpires accomplish anyway? Getting yourself tossed and making those umps hate you? I mean we have replay now for 80% of the bad calls.

Can you expand on the Scottie Mcreery comment? What did I miss?

 

[mount lefroy]

Numerous data points, including the two-base error call this weekend, have solidified my opinion that Lemonis might be most easy going coach I have ever seen about arguing bad calls. Perhaps that is just his personality or maybe that part of his coaching persona is still developing. I really have no complaints about the product on the field. The players seem to respond well to him and I like his approach to the game.

Does his reticence to do a little fire-breathing when blue messes up bother anyone or do you see it as a potential negative for the team?

Just wondering how folks feel about that.

I wouldnt attribute all of it to this, but we are used to Polk and Cohen in Baseball, Mullen in Football. Vic in basketball.

They all breathe fire. It doesnt mean that is the only way to get your point across to an umpire or ref.

I dont think it speaks to their passion. I think it speaks to their individual personality.

 

[MSUDC11]

Cohen was as at his peak IB levels in his first two seasons when we were horrendous. I feel like he calmed down over time. Yeah he would occasionally have a freak out and get tossed, but he did seem a little more calm as he grew the program more and more.

Different strokes for different folks. Lemonis just isn’t the type to bite an umpire’s head off. We’re 27-6 though so I don’t feel like it’s causing us issues.

 

[maroonmania]

The IB seems to be attracted to the cerebral, mild mannered coaching style with his hiring of Moorhead and Lemonis. Which is odd given how hot headed he was as a coach. Really though, the only intense coach we have in the 4 sports that have a significant fan following is Schafer in WBB. JoMo, Howland and Lemonis are all so laid back during games that its almost mind numbing. Heck, I wish Moorhead would show half the fire to his own players or SEC referees when they screw up that he did with the OM people on the field AFTER the game. I mean we couldn't even get Moorhead to challenge the non-fumble call at Bama to get a review. Half the time I can't tell if Howland is even awake over on the bench and now you have Lemonis barely even questioning one of the strangest calls you will EVER see in a baseball game. No, I don't want a Bobby Knight raving lunatic type as a head coach but I would like to see a few of our head coaches show a little more emotion than they currently do. Sometimes our players DO need a kick in the pants to get going. I mean did you guys see how Tom Izzo of Michigan State got on one of his players during the NCAA tournament for non-effort on defense??

 

[CochiseCowbell]

It's also his first foray with these umps in this conference. I thought the same about Andy. No point in starting off in the league pissing all the crews off. Sure, question the calls, but until you have a few more seasons under your belt with the same guys it doesn't really help. Cohen, Polk, O'Sullivan, Pulmanary, have/had all been around these crews for a long time, which can give you some leeway when arguing and can add to the validity of your point.

As someone else said, replay reviews have helped alleviate some of that.

For the record, I'm always for a coach chewing out the ump. But, that's because I'm a die-hard fan and he can't hear me through the tv/radio (or listen to me from the stands). Does it actually help? Probably not, especially in this day and age. Can college coaches play a game under protest like they do in the Bigs? Again, as a fan I love it but I'm not sure it helps the players at all. I do think it used to.

As far as the 2 runs in the UT game. Both sides are correct in the debate. Those stating that it was the correct call are right. Those claiming the ump took that upon himself are also right. It's not a cut and dry rule in that particular situation. However, yes the ball is alive and in play the majority of every ballgame.

I was super pissed for two days, but let's move on. Both sides are right.

 

[KingBarkus]

In the lsu series when Mangum argued he had fouled a ball preventing a strikeout, I thought Lemonis should have gone out and made inquiries with the ump. That is your captain, your heart and soul of the team, and you don't at least go out there and support him? I'm not talking about blowing up like Earl Weaver.

 

[olblue]

Numerous data points, including the two-base error call this weekend, have solidified my opinion that Lemonis might be most easy going coach I have ever seen about arguing bad calls. Perhaps that is just his personality or maybe that part of his coaching persona is still developing. I really have no complaints about the product on the field. The players seem to respond well to him and I like his approach to the game.

Does his reticence to do a little fire-breathing when blue messes up bother anyone or do you see it as a potential negative for the team?

Just wondering how folks feel about that.

Are there any data points that suggest if your coach chews out an umpire it makes the ball easier to hit?

 

[stateu1]

Can you expand on the Scottie Mcreery comment? What did I miss?

Denver McQuary maybe?

 

[CochiseCowbell]

In the lsu series when Mangum argued he had fouled a ball preventing a strikeout, I thought Lemonis should have gone out and made inquiries with the ump. That is your captain, your heart and soul of the team, and you don't at least go out there and support him? I'm not talking about blowing up like Earl Weaver.

Wasn't that reviewed?

 

[Len2003]

I'm not really a fan of sideline antics. They don't change the outcome of the game. They just make some fans feel better, but feeling better doesn't win you ball games. I think it's a bigger possibility that the antics could have a negative outcome on the game.

 

[anon1787432961]

I think the Bianco strut is entertaining.

 

[Mjoelner]

I'm not really a fan of sideline antics. They don't change the outcome of the game. They just make some fans feel better, but feeling better doesn't win you ball games.

I met an SEC ump at the Veranda after a midweek game years ago and I was asking him about coaches arguing on the field. Not only did he say that a lot of it was for the fans, he said one time Skip Bertman came out to argue a call that wasn't even close. But, what Bertman said to him as he was yelling and and being very animated pointing to where the play took place wasnt even about the play that just took place. Bertman yelled at him "I want you to kick me out next inning!" To which the ump yelled back, "I'll kick you out now Skip." Skip "No! Next inning!" then he stormed back to the dugout. The next inning after a another close call went against LSU, here comes Bertman and he gets booted and the crowd goes wild.

The ump also told me on tag plays (steals and throws to the plate) "If the ball gets there before you. You're out. I don't care if you beat the tag or not. If its close. You're out." Of course, this was several years before replay.

 

[MaroonBelle]

If he argued with umps as often as I've seen people call for it he would have missed parts of several games by now and would have gotten a bad name with the umps in his first SEC season. Knowing when to hold and when to fold is also part of the job. I have seen him from my seat argue from the dugout with umps a few times. He just hasn't left the dugout but he's done plenty of chirping. I've seen him get written up with a warning. He's Greek, right? I bet he can argue with the best of them if he thinks it is worth it.

 

[Crazy Cotton]

Only place I would think it might have an effect is if the strike zone is moving around or inconsistent, might get the ump to refocus. But I'd think in that situation his more respectful approach would probably be more effective than pitching a fit like a 3 year old for all the world to see.

 

[missouridawg]

In the lsu series when Mangum argued he had fouled a ball preventing a strikeout, I thought Lemonis should have gone out and made inquiries with the ump. That is your captain, your heart and soul of the team, and you don't at least go out there and support him? I'm not talking about blowing up like Earl Weaver.

Mangum is an excellent player. One of our best ever. An all timer.

But if he has one fault, it’s asking for reviews and arguing **** that he’s wrong about. I can make about 2-3 times this year where’s he’s asked the dugout for a review and has been wrong on all of them

 

[JoMo MoJo]

It bothers the 17 out of me.in case no one has noticed, we haven’t exactly needed to piss off the umps to get screwed on calls this season. I can’t think of a single replay this year that has not went against us.

 

[KingBarkus]

Wasn't that reviewed?

I don't know. I was at the game sitting down the 3rd base line and could not see Lemonis. I thought it strange Lemonis did not at least walk out there if anything to show support for the captain.

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

I've said it before, but making a fool of yourself arguing calls is way overrated. You're not going to influence the next call, and even if you do it's as likely to go against you because you've pissed the umpire off as it is to go for you because he's giving you a make-up call.

It works for certain people in basketball and especially the NBA. It definitely affects future calls depending on the coach and refs. Just watch Popavitch coach a game and you will see he immediately gets a swing of calls in his favor after he chews out a ref.

College baseball probably doesn't work as much. Only real reason to do it is to fire up your players if you know the team responds to that sort of motivation.

 

[philduckworth]

There's a time and a place for everything. And that time was last weekend and the place was Knoxville. Sometimes you just have to let your team know that you have their back. And that game in particular, we needed a spark.

 

[bulldogcountry1]

The rules are such that you can’t show out like Polk anymore. You can’t argue balls and strikes at all, if get tossed, it’s a minimum one game suspension, and reviews minimize the need to argue.

There’s really no point anymore, and I agree that it never helped in the first place.

 

[goodknight]

28-6, top 10 ranking! Really?

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Wasn't that reviewed?

Nope. The TV guys "reviewed" it.