Question for the board about backward passes....

thekimmer

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If the bears had recovered the pass how would the TO have been recorded in the stats if it wasn't a fumble?

I think the rules are clear that it is not a fumble as defined by the 4th down rules on advancing a fumble but then how else could the TO be categorized?
 

Shamoan

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lost fair and square on a fluke play. couldnt happen to a better bunch.


to answer your question, i am sure there is nothing listed as a lateral recovery so its either a int or a fumble and since a lateral is in that gray area, i would assume that it would be listed as a fumble recovery, but if there was such a thing, lateral (backwards pass recovery) would be the ruling.
 
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muddawgs

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When the ball hits the ground

If the bears had recovered the pass how would the TO have been recorded in the stats if it wasn't a fumble?

I think the rules are clear that it is not a fumble as defined by the 4th down rules on advancing a fumble but then how else could the TO be categorized?

it is considered a fumble. Only problem is Hunter didn't lose control of the ball. He was in control of the ball when he threw the backward pass, so technically the 4th down ruling the bears are pointing out doesn't fit the rule, which allows any player to advance the ball.
 

Dawg1976

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Freeze even admitted it was legal. It was simply a fluke play that worked against the bears.
 

drt7891

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It would have been a turnover of OM recovered and the ball stays live until it touches out of bounds or touches a player who is touching out of bounds.

It's not a fumble (it's treated like a fumble, though). Technically, the moment Henry released the ball, it becomes a loose ball play, by rule. When someone recovers it, the play becomes a running play (these are important for rules administration purposes). The difference between a forward and backward pass is that a forward pass becomes dead the moment it touches the ground, a backward pass does not.

Also, you can have multiple backward passes in a single down and receiver eligibility is not in question like on a forward pass (there are rules about when and how lineman can receive a backward pass, but they can, by rule).

So what the officials ruled on that fourth down play was whether it was a backward pass or a fumble, which are technically two different things in the rulebook.
 

SheltonChoked

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Asking how it would be scored or recorded by the stats guy is not the same as what the officials call means.

It's a backwards pass. Just like any long snap. That it is scored a fumble does not matter. What mattered was a player in full control of the football threw the ball behind him. After that, 130 years of football say it doesn't matter if it hits the ground or not. It's a live ball and anyone can advance it.
 
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