Question for he fire Mullen crowd

[ronpolk]

If Mullen was to go 5-7 or 4-8 (loss in the EB) but went to a youth movement would you support him coming back?

By youth movement, I mean fitz or Tiano at QB and Aries getting the bulk of RB carries. Also, other younger talented guys playing, peters, Simmons etc...

 

[aTotal360]

Hell, I'm firing him if we go 11-1. He still has addressed the flag sufficiently.

 

[was21]

I'm not in that crowd. Having said that, that might be a better approach although he's getting 4 mil and I ain't getting nothing to figure out what should be done.

 

[rugbdawg]

Mullen is done. Writing on wall. Another name I'd be excited about...

Willie Taggart. Guy has had a very brief head coaching career but has turned around two different programs in three years each. South Florida should be strong this year.

 

[PBRME]

Not on the fire Mullen bandwagon yet so ignore my opinion if you wish.

It's not a youth movement that I want to see to stay off the bandwagon. what I want to see is putting the best possible player in each position that gives us a chance to win.

I want to see a marked improvement in team physicality this weekend.

I want to see us put away teams once we get a sizable lead. Not let off the throttle playing clock control, which bites us in the *** every time.

Lastly I want to see us stop playing a half a game. I know it is part of my last point, but I'm tired of seeing us in games we're not supposed to win and be competitive in one half. Either it's close at the half and we get blow out in the 2nd half. Or we get blown out in the first half only to show up too late in the second.

 

[MSUDC11]

Depends on when the youth movement starts.

Start it on Saturday or at UMass and we lose games because young guys are making mistakes, then yeah I'm open to giving him another year.

But don't wait until we're 3-7 and no longer bowl eligible. At that point you're only doing it because it would be stupid not to.

Funny thing is, I'm not even sure he would go the youth route at that point. I can totally see us going into the Egg Bowl at 3-8 and Holloway and Shumphert still get 90% of the carries in that game.

 

[ronpolk]

Depends on when the youth movement starts.

Start it on Saturday or at UMass and we lose games because young guys are making mistakes, then yeah I'm open to giving him another year.

But don't wait until we're 3-7 and no longer bowl eligible. At that point you're only doing it because it would be stupid not to.

Funny thing is, I'm not even sure he would go the youth route at that point. I can totally see us going into the Egg Bowl at 3-8 and Holloway and Shumphert still get 90% of the carries in that game.

I'm with you in this. I want the youth movement to start Saturday. I'm probably not for firing Mullen this season regardless. I feel like he has done a damn good job and I'm willing to give him a year. However, building for the future would make this season much easier to swallow.

 

[patdog]

Agree on all points. I don't care if we play all seniors or all freshmen. The product on the field has got to look better than it did last Saturday. If Mullen wins 5 games, I'm more than willing to give him a pass on one bad season in a transition year. If he wins 3 or fewer, it's time for a change.

 

[johnson86-1]

If Mullen was to go 5-7 or 4-8 (loss in the EB) but went to a youth movement would you support him coming back?

By youth movement, I mean fitz or Tiano at QB and Aries getting the bulk of RB carries. Also, other younger talented guys playing, peters, Simmons etc...

Mullen is coming back if he goes 5-7. At this point, that would be beating UMass, Samford, UK, USCe, and then either BYU or Arkansas or Auburn I guess? That's basically performing to expectations minus one atrocious game.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

I'm not in the "fire Mullen" crowd as much as I'm sick of the antics

If the guy was busting his ***, pumping up MSU, getting after it on the recruiting trail (getting or missing some targets), putting the best players on the field at any given time, and putting down any rumors of leaving if he hasn't accepted another job, and understand that earning 4 mil plus a year opens you up to some criticism, I would be ok with him. Hell I'd be solidly in his corner and claim that this guy has earned a rebuilding year. Hell it would be asinine to fire him with what has been produced.

But his past flirting with other jobs has killed us in recruiting as other teams are using it against us even at this very date. Recruits have openly said they they didn't hear from them for a while after committing while these job hunt rumors were circulating. We lost a talented WR from just down the freaking street last year and have another need from Starkville High committed to UM right now. If you haven't noticed, UM may pass us in recruiting rankings with possible major sanctions looming. If you can't recruit against that, then how are we not going to keep loosing blue chip guys from West Point with ties to the university? Remember the miss after miss last year on signing day? That was the next stage of the official full blown sandy *** cracks in the fanbase after Saturday.

He has fostered some kind of working environment where we can't keep a defensive coordinator and other assistants. Yep. This also hinders recruiting. It also affects continuity. A senior DB or front 7 player should have four years in one system and know what is expected of him. If you are a senior on this team now, how many times have you entered the season with a new DC now?

And there is the seniority thing. It cost us the gator bowl (probably) against northwestern and probably other games aside from last Saturday. That's just unexplainable.

 

[thatsbaseball]

No...

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

So you're asking what if Mullen didn't Mullen

 

[ArcherSPS]

Willie Taggart would be a miserable hire.

 

[CoolDawg]

If the guy was busting his ***, pumping up MSU, getting after it on the recruiting trail (getting or missing some targets), putting the best players on the field at any given time, and putting down any rumors of leaving if he hasn't accepted another job, and understand that earning 4 mil plus a year opens you up to some criticism, I would be ok with him. Hell I'd be solidly in his corner and claim that this guy has earned a rebuilding year. Hell it would be asinine to fire him with what has been produced.

But his past flirting with other jobs has killed us in recruiting as other teams are using it against us even at this very date. Recruits have openly said they they didn't hear from them for a while after committing while these job hunt rumors were circulating. We lost a talented WR from just down the freaking street last year and have another need from Starkville High committed to UM right now. If you haven't noticed, UM may pass us in recruiting rankings with possible major sanctions looming. If you can't recruit against that, then how are we not going to keep loosing blue chip guys from West Point with ties to the university? Remember the miss after miss last year on signing day? That was the next stage of the official full blown sandy *** cracks in the fanbase after Saturday.

He has fostered some kind of working environment where we can't keep a defensive coordinator and other assistants. Yep. This also hinders recruiting. It also affects continuity. A senior DB or front 7 player should have four years in one system and know what is expected of him. If you are a senior on this team now, how many times have you entered the season with a new DC now?

And there is the seniority thing. It cost us the gator bowl (probably) against northwestern and probably other games aside from last Saturday. That's just unexplainable.

YOU NAILED IT!

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

This

If the guy was busting his ***, pumping up MSU, getting after it on the recruiting trail (getting or missing some targets), putting the best players on the field at any given time, and putting down any rumors of leaving if he hasn't accepted another job, and understand that earning 4 mil plus a year opens you up to some criticism, I would be ok with him. Hell I'd be solidly in his corner and claim that this guy has earned a rebuilding year. Hell it would be asinine to fire him with what has been produced.

But his past flirting with other jobs has killed us in recruiting as other teams are using it against us even at this very date. Recruits have openly said they they didn't hear from them for a while after committing while these job hunt rumors were circulating. We lost a talented WR from just down the freaking street last year and have another need from Starkville High committed to UM right now. If you haven't noticed, UM may pass us in recruiting rankings with possible major sanctions looming. If you can't recruit against that, then how are we not going to keep loosing blue chip guys from West Point with ties to the university? Remember the miss after miss last year on signing day? That was the next stage of the official full blown sandy *** cracks in the fanbase after Saturday.

He has fostered some kind of working environment where we can't keep a defensive coordinator and other assistants. Yep. This also hinders recruiting. It also affects continuity. A senior DB or front 7 player should have four years in one system and know what is expected of him. If you are a senior on this team now, how many times have you entered the season with a new DC now?

And there is the seniority thing. It cost us the gator bowl (probably) against northwestern and probably other games aside from last Saturday. That's just unexplainable.

Exactly. You can fail if you're trying hard. You can't mail it in. He's mailing it in.

 

[boatsandhoes]

I just want to see some of our young "talented" guys get a chance. If they suck, or can't do any better.....then we have a talent problem.

If aries (or others) gets the ball and is smoking ppl (which is what I think will happen) gaining yards then there is your answer. I think mullen doesn't want to do that because it would make ppl ask "why haven't you played him all along" and he's to stubborn to admit that he is wrong even at the expense of winning games.

 

[HotMop]

Would wearing this get him on your good side?

http://store.dalesseasoning.com/collections/homepage-products/products/dales-camo-cap

 

[aTotal360]

Do they make a visor? **

 

[dawgdr]

This is what would happen!

 

[The Riddler]

Thank god I am glad their are some people that agree with me on this board. I am not saying fire him now but damn he's a shell of a coach right now. He can't can't can't can't recruit. When are losing blue chips from your backyard because the recruit said our staff was too lazy to contact him that's a 17ing problem. Mullens record against sec competition is beyond awful. Ask yourself if he had that record at almost any other school in the sec would he still be there? I know people think supporting Mullen is supporting the program but these are two seperate things. To say we can't do better than Mullen is to say we can't win the west or for that matter the sec.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Like I`ve been saying.....one big 17ing soap opera. We can do better than this.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Willie Taggart would be a miserable hire.

Agree

 

[dawgstudent]

Check your PM

 

[KurtRambis4]

I was pretty mad

that we lost AJ, but come on. Let's look at it objectively.

The kid chose to go to the school with one of the top QB's in the nation, returning.

Not to mention Treadwell & Moncrief.

 

[thatsbaseball]

You can throw in Shea Patterson for ***** and giggles

 

[Hoover Dawg]

that we lost AJ, but come on. Let's look at it objectively.

The kid chose to go to the school with one of the top QB's in the nation, returning.

Not to mention Treadwell & Moncrief.

And the #1 QB recruit in the nation. With a pretty good crop of OL recruits too.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

Sums up my feelings pretty well. Good post.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

that we lost AJ, but come on. Let's look at it objectively.

The kid chose to go to the school with one of the top QB's in the nation, returning.

Not to mention Treadwell & Moncrief.

Losing AJ would've been okay had we not also had two recruits that could help us choose to ride the pine at Bama for, likely, their entire career instead of play for us. Lashley is the biggest miss in a while. We are desperate for OL recruits and we couldn't land one in West Point. Our secondary sucks and Knott would rather risk gray-shirting than play for us. That screams a lack of effort by our coaches. Mullen wanted to be elsewhere and his lack of effort has kick started our descent back into obscurity.

 

[121Josey]

HUGE BUY

And he wonders why the media always picks him last.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

+999 woulda been 1000 but no mention of holloway up the middle***

 

[121Josey]

that we lost AJ, but come on. Let's look at it objectively.

The kid chose to go to the school with one of the top QB's in the nation, returning.

Not to mention Treadwell & Moncrief.

So, he didn't know about the investigation. Then he must have signed a 1-year contract?** Just to become the next Treadwell (1st-Rd bust)?

 

[Hoover Dawg]

Losing AJ would've been okay had we not also had two recruits that could help us choose to ride the pine at Bama for, likely, their entire career instead of play for us. Lashley is the biggest miss in a while. We are desperate for OL recruits and we couldn't land one in West Point. Our secondary sucks and Knott would rather risk gray-shirting than play for us. That screams a lack of effort by our coaches. Mullen wanted to be elsewhere and his lack of effort has kick started our descent back into obscurity.

Agreed.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Apparently the

draw to play with one of the top QBs in the nation and the prior success of Treadwell and Moncrief were too strong to overcome. I can't say that I blame him, when I look at those factors.

 

[Indndawg]

Best post since 2003. You "gotta keep Dan" crowd should read this.

If the guy was busting his ***, pumping up MSU, getting after it on the recruiting trail (getting or missing some targets), putting the best players on the field at any given time, and putting down any rumors of leaving if he hasn't accepted another job, and understand that earning 4 mil plus a year opens you up to some criticism, I would be ok with him. Hell I'd be solidly in his corner and claim that this guy has earned a rebuilding year. Hell it would be asinine to fire him with what has been produced.

But his past flirting with other jobs has killed us in recruiting as other teams are using it against us even at this very date. Recruits have openly said they they didn't hear from them for a while after committing while these job hunt rumors were circulating. We lost a talented WR from just down the freaking street last year and have another need from Starkville High committed to UM right now. If you haven't noticed, UM may pass us in recruiting rankings with possible major sanctions looming. If you can't recruit against that, then how are we not going to keep loosing blue chip guys from West Point with ties to the university? Remember the miss after miss last year on signing day? That was the next stage of the official full blown sandy *** cracks in the fanbase after Saturday.



He has fostered some kind of working environment where we can't keep a defensive coordinator and other assistants. Yep. This also hinders recruiting. It also affects continuity. A senior DB or front 7 player should have four years in one system and know what is expected of him. If you are a senior on this team now, how many times have you entered the season with a new DC now?

And there is the seniority thing. It cost us the gator bowl (probably) against northwestern and probably other games aside from last Saturday. That's just unexplainable.

Sums up how most of us feel

 

[RocketDawg]

Hell, I'm firing him if we go 11-1. He still has addressed the flag sufficiently.

What does that mean?

 

[msstatelp1]

You "gotta keep Dan" crowd should read this.
Sums up how most of us feel

I think the biggest concern about firing him this year is that it will turn into another Stansbury situation where every decent coach turns us down because we fired Mullen for one bad year. You and I see the changes from when he got here but most people outside MSU will only see that we fired him for "one bad year"...and that will be exactly how the media portrays it..."one bad year." I agree that changes need to be made and if that change is to fire Dan then we MUST have a coach in waiting that is ready to sign immediately once the ax falls and one that understands why the decision was made.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

May not be a firing thing

As much as the cigar boys and Stricklin not beg him from their knees to stay when he is handing out resumes for the fourth straight year. If he begins job hunting again when coaching silly season kicks in, hand him some more possibilities with contact numbers of ADs while we have some options lined up.

Everyone is happy then and MSU didn't fire anyone.

I'm not this egomaniacal fan that demands an apology and a pep rally news conference if he decides to shift gears and pin the ears back again. Just do it. The shortcomings will be forgotten as fast as a USA touchdown and everyone is happy. Build up some momentum and seize the day when UM sanctions kick in. Bygones will be bygones and we enjoy bowl season again.

 

[121Josey]

draw to play with one of the top QBs in the nation and the prior success of Treadwell and Moncrief were too strong to overcome. I can't say that I blame him, when I look at those factors.

Unfortunately, the off-field factors outweigh the on-field factors. And that's not even considering that the on-field benefits must overcome the benefits of playing in Starkville.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

fire.them.all

everyone.

including the forestry professor.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Exactly*

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