QB race a trojan horse?

[esplanade91]

Given Dan's history of downplaying every single position battle, injury, or ranking on the depth chart since he's come to Starkville, I'm starting to think he's had his starting QB for a while now. Elijah transferring out only solidified that opinion.

Thought Fitz looked really promising last season and having a hard time believing he's not good enough to beat out Damien Williams, but because of the talk coming from Dan and Johnson, MSU is being dismissed... which I think they like.

 

[aTotal360]

Maybe. I think you have to say that more than ever with kids (especially QBs) transferring if they feel buried in the depth chart. I agree that there is some coach speak to it. But there is also some legitimacy in it as well. Dan is probably 90% certain who the starting QB is.

 

[121Josey]

QB race a trojan horse?
Given Dan's history of downplaying every single position battle, injury, or ranking on the depth chart since he's come to Starkville, I'm starting to think he's had his starting QB for a while now. Elijah transferring out only solidified that opinion.

So Dan is sending Staley to spy on another team? Brilliant.

 

[esplanade91]

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[notoriousD_O_G]

If Damian was going to be the starter you would think he would have played some last year in mop up duty. It was always going to be Fitz or Staley.

 

[aTotal360]

Was he redshirted?

 

[121Josey]

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

Not really a "Trojan Horse" more like a Horse with 4 white socks---"One you buy 'em, Two you try 'em, Three pass 'em, but Four white socks and a snip on the Nose cut off his hide and feed 'em to the Crows".

1. Fitzgerald
2. Williams
3. Tiano
4. Staley

Staley wasn't going to beat out Fitzgerald, Williams had more experience, and he was starting to be out performed by Tiano in practice. The choice was clear---transfer.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Question, why

wouldn't Dan do this, in our position?

It serves no purpose to come out and say, Day 1, so and so is the starter.

 

[esplanade91]

Was he redshirted?

Heard he was encouraged to transfer, but he told coaches he wanted to fight for the job post-Dak. You can interpret his redshirt as him being passed on for PT or the coaches saving him for another season.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

Pure speculation on my part but he was redshirted because if you don't redshirt Williams it would have taken snaps from Fitz/Staley

 

[tenureplan]

Pretty sure D Williams was still injured from the *** kicking in PCB to start the season....thus the redshirt.

 

[esplanade91]

Was told by someone who works for the school that he was told he should consider transferring, but my friend could also be absolutely full of ****. Obviously they're still happy to have Williams' services.

 

[patdog]

I think Dan has always pretty much known who the starter was going to be this fall. Going into last season, they redshirted Williams and let Fitz and Staley fight for the #2 role. Fitz won that role clearly by the end of September and was the backup with Staley #3 for the rest of the season. The starting job this fall has been Fitzgerald's to lose ever since then.

 

[hatfieldms]

It's like you try to sound like an idiot

.....

 

[johnson86-1]

Given Dan's history of downplaying every single position battle, injury, or ranking on the depth chart since he's come to Starkville, I'm starting to think he's had his starting QB for a while now. Elijah transferring out only solidified that opinion.

Thought Fitz looked really promising last season and having a hard time believing he's not good enough to beat out Damien Williams, but because of the talk coming from Dan and Johnson, MSU is being dismissed... which I think they like.

I think Dan has 100% known that Fitzgerald is going to be the starter for a while. Hell, he probably was pretty sure of how it would play out last season.

I think what MSU fans have to worry about is a situation where Fitzgerald hasn't improved enough to where Williams playing is out of the question. That's what has me worried at this point, not because I don't like Williams but with where Fitzgerald was last year, if he hasn't progressed enough that he's clearly left Williams behind, we're not going to be good this year and I'm not sure we can expect Fitzgerald to be that good going forward.

 

[The Fatboy]

He tore his pectoral muscle that's why he took the red shirt. Do you guys even read?

 

[aTotal360]

My question was rhetorical, and no.

 

[121Josey]

It's like you try to sound like an idiot

Are you referring to me or to the OP? I thought the same thing about the OP, but I didn't think sarcastrics were necessary.

Maybe it's easier to blame Dan instead of blaming the player at the bottom of the depth chart. Maybe Staley knew that somebody would be shown the door. Staley quit after the first week instead of competing. But yeah, I'm the one who sounds like an idiot.**

 

[dawglawz]

Not really a "Trojan Horse" more like a Horse with 4 white socks---"One you buy 'em, Two you try 'em, Three pass 'em, but Four white socks and a snip on the Nose cut off his hide and feed 'em to the Crows".

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[TheStateUofMS]

I've never seen Josey get anything the first time..or 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th

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He'll even quote someone else that refutes the point he's trying to make.


I hope he sold his twitter shares when he got the pop.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

Obviously I do not

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

Hahaha, it's a line by Walter Matthau in an old movie called "Casey's Shadow"---quarter horse racing, it's pretty good.

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[AlCoDog]

If he knows who the starter is, then there should be none of this equal amount of reps ****. Maybe that is just talk, but the starter needs to be getting 90% of the reps at this point. There is a game in 2 1/2 weeks.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

is your friend a liberal as well? if so, that could answer the question.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

The "Trojan Horse" is Dan telling the media he doesn't know who the QB is which

Not really a "Trojan Horse" more like a Horse with 4 white socks---"One you buy 'em, Two you try 'em, Three pass 'em, but Four white socks and a snip on the Nose cut off his hide and feed 'em to the Crows".

1. Fitzgerald
2. Williams
3. Tiano
4. Staley

Staley wasn't going to beat out Fitzgerald, Williams had more experience, and he was starting to be out performed by Tiano in practice. The choice was clear---transfer.

could portray to people outside the program, namely our opponents, that our QB situation is fluid and not great.


Mystery solved****

 

[121Josey]

I hope he sold his twitter shares when he got the pop.

You are one obsessed mother 17er. It's never worked when you do this, but maybe one day your luck will change. Technical analysis tells me not to sell. I'll take that and the thousands of calls over your opinion. NFL and Presidential debates start in a couple weeks. $$

 

[TheStateUofMS]

You made a nice call on and got the pop. I said I hope you took your gain.

You are one obsessed mother 17er. It's never worked when you do this, but maybe one day your luck will change. Technical analysis tells me not to sell. I'll take that and the thousands of calls over your opinion. NFL and Presidential debates start in a couple weeks. $$

Not sure why you got upset over that, but again you never understand anything.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

Hahaha, it's a line by Walter Matthau in an old movie called "Casey's Shadow"---quarter horse racing, it's pretty good.

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This only brings up more questions.

 

[Dawgzilla]

^^^This^^^ People ask "why should Dan reveal who the starter is?" Well, he doesn't have to announce it to the media I guess, but the team would be much better off if there was a clear #1 QB who was getting most of the reps with the starters and developing into the team leader. Further, being coy about naming a starter doesn't really accomplish much; it's not as though our competitors will change their game prep based on the uncertainty, since none of the potential starters have any kind of track record to go by. There is nothing for Mullen to gain by faking a QB competition, other than supporting his personal preference for not discussing these type of things with the media.

I suspect we will have a QB rotation in the Fall, much like we did every year under Mullen until 2014. Only this time they will be trying to get Tiano some reps, too, so it will basically be a 3 QB rotation. I think there is 0% chance that Wyatt Roberts sees the field, although it would be cool if State is blowing out Auburn so bad that Roberts can QB the last couple of series.

 

[patdog]

2011 and 2013 are the only 2 years we haven't had a clear starter at QB. And 2013 was partially due to injury. There have been years where #2 has gotten a few snaps here and there and years where #2 has only come in in garbage time. But we really haven't rotated QBs as much as a lot of people think under Mullen.

 

[rugbdawg]

So, let me educate you on what a Trojan Horse is. It's a perceived gift/sign of friendship that turns out to be a bearer of death and bad news. A Trojan Horse allowed a city to open up its gates and be destroyed.

Exactly, what are you saying? All I can think of is that you think Staley is really good and is transferring because we are loaded. He is a sign of peace and prosperity. In which case, to be a Trojan Horse situation, Staley would have to A) suck AND B) Our other QBs suck too. Hell, I don't know what you mean. I just know that the term Trojan Horse doesn't work.

 

[rugbdawg]

That wouldn't be a Trojan Horse situation. Think of a Trojan Horse like a Trojan condom. It camouflages or covers what can bring disease and destruction(childbirth), and convinces a city or woman to open its or her gates.

 

[RiverCityDawg]

^^^This^^^ People ask "why should Dan reveal who the starter is?" Well, he doesn't have to announce it to the media I guess, but the team would be much better off if there was a clear #1 QB who was getting most of the reps with the starters and developing into the team leader. Further, being coy about naming a starter doesn't really accomplish much; it's not as though our competitors will change their game prep based on the uncertainty, since none of the potential starters have any kind of track record to go by. There is nothing for Mullen to gain by faking a QB competition, other than supporting his personal preference for not discussing these type of things with the media.

I suspect we will have a QB rotation in the Fall, much like we did every year under Mullen until 2014. Only this time they will be trying to get Tiano some reps, too, so it will basically be a 3 QB rotation. I think there is 0% chance that Wyatt Roberts sees the field, although it would be cool if State is blowing out Auburn so bad that Roberts can QB the last couple of series.

I disagree a little. I think there is a lot to be gained from a QB competition, when it's warranted. I think he knows who SHOULD be the starter - Fitzgerald. But he isn't going to just give him the job, he's going to make him earn it. Contrary to what many seem to think, this isn't EA Sports, you don't just plug in the guy with the best skills and go win. These are real people that you have to push to get the most out of them. If Fitz hasn't earned it but is given the job anyway, there is no way he (or the team) reaches full potential. Also, when you "give" the job to someone at a position like QB, everyone sees it and it can negatively effect the whole team.

Any ameatur scout can see that Fitz has the highest skill level of the three, but it's Dan's job to get the most out of him. Keeping the competition going until Fitz unequivocally earns the job is absolutely the right thing to do. If he doesn't seize it and Tiano or Williams takes advantage, so be it, but you can't win consistently with QBs who haven't made it clear to everyone they are the guy.

Now, if you're telling me it's clear to everyone that Fitz has earned it and is doing the right stuff on AND off the field, and Dan STILL won't name him starter? That's a different conversation, but I don't think that's what's going on here. It's not about being coy or secretive, it's about pushing a guy to reach his max potential and in the process making the entire position group better and giving the team the kind of foundation that wins consistently. People can say this is coach speak, but it's just the way college football works.

 

[121Josey]

Not sure why you got upset over that, but again you never understand anything.

Hmmm, I don't know, maybe because you trashed me right before you said it. Maybe because you come running to gloat anytime any of my stocks sell off. Maybe because you never say anything while the stocks are on the way up (e.g., RAD, MRO). I'm a long-term investor, not a day-trader like yourself. You're just like that no-name analyst who downgraded Twitter today and dropped the price target by mere 5%.

But I'll have you know that I doubled my holdings of Twitter at 19 today. I'm in until 18.50 and then I'll cut my loses and regroup. So, this should give you some time to prepare your next jabs. I also bought shares in a virtual reality company yesterday, but I'll keep that on the down low so you don't decide to take a **** on it right after you load up on it.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

I'm not a day trad

I do some trading sure, but I'm largely positioned long.

I like the future of VR.

RAD I've been right the whole time. It's been below, way below, it's buyout target bc uncertainty whether the deal will go through or not. It might go through. All I've said is it's down bc market doesn't have faith deal will go through. In fact, it's recent spike is bc rumor Wallgreens trying to talk with FTC to approve the merger. It's tough to get through, but sure take a shot.

I'm bearish on Twitter for sure. Long term. You posted a chart showing a short term break out. The long term chart is about as bad as it gets if you wanna talk technicals.

Still bearish on Euro banks. Nothing has changed there. The stocks will rise some but stay in a range that is trending lower. They'll turn around eventually and the stocks will move higher before their earnings get better, but that could be years away. Just go read their quarterly reports. Most CEOs are painting an ugly picture.

Long: JBLU, GDXJ, IAU, GPRO

Been watching WMT and wanted to see a strong Q and they got it from what I can tell, so going to get into WMT after August shakes out and the market near highs.

FTK is one I like but still doing some work on and it's gone up so much. GRUB is interesting too.

 

[121Josey]

I do some trading sure, but I'm largely positioned long.

I like the future of VR.

RAD I've been right the whole time. It's been below, way below, it's buyout target bc uncertainty whether the deal will go through or not. It might go through. All I've said is it's down bc market doesn't have faith deal will go through. In fact, it's recent spike is bc rumor Wallgreens trying to talk with FTC to approve the merger. It's tough to get through, but sure take a shot.

I'm bearish on Twitter for sure. Long term. You posted a chart showing a short term break out. The long term chart is about as bad as it gets if you wanna talk technicals.

Still bearish on Euro banks. Nothing has changed there. The stocks will rise some but stay in a range that is trending lower. They'll turn around eventually and the stocks will move higher before their earnings get better, but that could be years away. Just go read their quarterly reports. Most CEOs are painting an ugly picture.

Long: JBLU, GDXJ, IAU, GPRO

Been watching WMT and wanted to see a strong Q and they got it from what I can tell, so going to get into WMT after August shakes out and the market near highs.

FTK is one I like but still doing some work on and it's gone up so much. GRUB is interesting too.

I wish that you would correct my errors on Twitter's "bearish" long-term chart so that we all can have a laugh.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

I do some trading sure, but I'm largely positioned long.

I like the future of VR.

RAD I've been right the whole time. It's been below, way below, it's buyout target bc uncertainty whether the deal will go through or not. It might go through. All I've said is it's down bc market doesn't have faith deal will go through. In fact, it's recent spike is bc rumor Wallgreens trying to talk with FTC to approve the merger. It's tough to get through, but sure take a shot.

I'm bearish on Twitter for sure. Long term. You posted a chart showing a short term break out. The long term chart is about as bad as it gets if you wanna talk technicals.

Still bearish on Euro banks. Nothing has changed there. The stocks will rise some but stay in a range that is trending lower. They'll turn around eventually and the stocks will move higher before their earnings get better, but that could be years away. Just go read their quarterly reports. Most CEOs are painting an ugly picture.

Long: JBLU, GDXJ, IAU, GPRO

Been watching WMT and wanted to see a strong Q and they got it from what I can tell, so going to get into WMT after August shakes out and the market near highs.

FTK is one I like but still doing some work on and it's gone up so much. GRUB is interesting too.

I'm all in on Pied Piper.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Um, I think the OP is describing a red herring, not a Trojan horse.

 

[msu86]

Not really a "Trojan Horse" more like a Horse with 4 white socks---"One you buy 'em, Two you try 'em, Three pass 'em, but Four white socks and a snip on the Nose cut off his hide and feed 'em to the Crows".

Most people have never seen Casey's Shadow. Great movie, at least for horse racing fans