PSA for cloth Facemasks

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Probably easier to just buy a respirator. I have no idea what size particulates they filter, but presumably there is a range available.

Generally speaking, cloth and surgical masks protect others from you, not you from others. Do N-95 masks really protect from Covid-19?
Trying to find a respirator is tough. I haven't found any that aren't restricted for sale to hospitals, frontline personnel, etc. From what I understand, the N95 masks do offer some protection as a ppm against the virus when transported on particles .3 micron or larger. While the virus itself is something like .175 micron, it matters how it is delivered...how big it's, "ride to your nostrils" is.

One study I read indicted coughs produce the vast majority of airborne particulars in the area of .35 to 1.7 microns. A Merv 8 filter won't stop even 20% max of those size particles. But an N95 would stop 95% of them. If 80% gets through to your lungs, you're gonna get infected. If just 5% do, that may not be enough virus to take hold. A Merv 8 would be pretty good at stopping a large % of large droplets above 3 microns, so it could catch and stop some, but it's not going to stop droplets smaller than 3 microns enough to protect you much.

Interestingly the particles emitted just from talking tend to be smaller on average than with coughing or sneezing, but they don't travel as far...thus the "6' rule. Within 6' of an infected person will almost for sure result in you inhaling some virus unless you are wearing an N95 mask. But inhaling just a little won't necessarily make you sick. Inhaling a lot most likely will make you really sick.

Here's another important thing to know RE: the 6' rule. The virus-carrying particulars remain in the air for a while. They don't immediately fall to the ground. And if you are in a place where the air is not completely still, the particles can be pushed up, down & around for hours. While they are slowly dissipating, this becomes a bigger problem when you're someplace with a lot of people...even if they are all observing the 6' rule because now you've got those particles gathering up, floating around in the air, combining with the particles of all the other people. So now if you're going someplace where there are a bunch of people in a contained space, even if everyone is standing 6' apart, if you don't have an N95 mask on you'd better hope the vast majority of those around you are not carrying the virus, or at least that they are wearing a mask decent enough to limit the amount of particles they put in the air.

This also applies to staying in one place with even one infected person...even if you stay 6' away because the stuff accumulates and can make it's way to you. If it's only for a few minutes, you're not likely to get enough exposure to get you infected...but if you stay too long, you might.

Bottom line as I understand it is, 6' rule is to protect you from the fine particles exuded from talking and even breathing if someone is carrying. Coughs & sneezes can extend the range much farther, so if you are within as much as 27 feet of one, get the hell away ASAP. 6' rule isn't nearly as effective if there are a large group of people in the space with you...even if they are all staying 6' apart. Never forget you should assume the surfaces you touch have been contaminated with virus unless you know for a fact they were properly cleaned just before you touched them. And when your fingers go to your nose or eyes, if there was Covid-19 on them from something you touched (including your own mask), you are really flirting with disaster because you're now giving those much smaller micron virus particles an express ride to your sinuses and lungs.

Long, but I hope it helps.
 
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Sooooo...which step is keeping the virus from sticking to the synthetic fibers (which is why they are no bueno)...
As I understand it, they aren't...they're just keeping them from getting to your nose and then lungs. That's why they're meant to be thrown away after each use (though it appears there is a possibility of sterilizing them a few times with decreasing efficiency). It's also why they tell you to be very careful when adjusting or removing an N95 (or any other) after exposure...washing your hands thoroughly before touching your face, because if that mask was exposed to Covid-19, it will be on the mask, so touching the mask and then your face is even worse than having no mask and staying 6' away.
 

yjnkdawg

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Trying to find a respirator is tough. I haven't found any that aren't restricted for sale to hospitals, frontline personnel, etc. From what I understand, the N95 masks do offer some protection as a ppm against the virus when transported on particles .3 micron or larger. While the virus itself is something like .175 micron, it matters how it is delivered...how big it's, "ride to your nostrils" is.

One study I read indicted coughs produce the vast majority of airborne particulars in the area of .35 to 1.7 microns. A Merv 8 filter won't stop even 20% max of those size particles. But an N95 would stop 95% of them. If 80% gets through to your lungs, you're gonna get infected. If just 5% do, that may not be enough virus to take hold. A Merv 8 would be pretty good at stopping a large % of large droplets above 3 microns, so it could catch and stop some, but it's not going to stop droplets smaller than 3 microns enough to protect you much.

Interestingly the particles emitted just from talking tend to be smaller on average than with coughing or sneezing, but they don't travel as far...thus the "6' rule. Within 6' of an infected person will almost for sure result in you inhaling some virus unless you are wearing an N95 mask. But inhaling just a little won't necessarily make you sick. Inhaling a lot most likely will make you really sick.

Here's another important thing to know RE: the 6' rule. The virus-carrying particulars remain in the air for a while. They don't immediately fall to the ground. And if you are in a place where the air is not completely still, the particles can be pushed up, down & around for hours. While they are slowly dissipating, this becomes a bigger problem when you're someplace with a lot of people...even if they are all observing the 6' rule because now you've got those particles gathering up, floating around in the air, combining with the particles of all the other people. So now if you're going someplace where there are a bunch of people in a contained space, even if everyone is standing 6' apart, if you don't have an N95 mask on you'd better hope the vast majority of those around you are not carrying the virus, or at least that they are wearing a mask decent enough to limit the amount of particles they put in the air.

This also applies to staying in one place with even one infected person...even if you stay 6' away because the stuff accumulates and can make it's way to you. If it's only for a few minutes, you're not likely to get enough exposure to get you infected...but if you stay too long, you might.

Bottom line as I understand it is, 6' rule is to protect you from the fine particles exuded from talking and even breathing if someone is carrying. Coughs & sneezes can extend the range much farther, so if you are within as much as 27 feet of one, get the hell away ASAP. 6' rule isn't nearly as effective if there are a large group of people in the space with you...even if they are all staying 6' apart. Never forget you should assume the surfaces you touch have been contaminated with virus unless you know for a fact they were properly cleaned just before you touched them. And when your fingers go to your nose or eyes, if there was Covid-19 on them from something you touched (including your own mask), you are really flirting with disaster because you're now giving those much smaller micron virus particles an express ride to your sinuses and lungs.

Long, but I hope it helps.


I saw one person said this, but nobody else verified it. What is your source on this and also the source for the hanging in the air so long? I haven't seen the health experts or CDC verifying the hanging in the air, either.
 

RocketDawg

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Ours came in late yesterday, so we sprayed the package on both sides with Lysol. Opened them this morning. And yes, they suck. I forgot how many there are supposed to be, but there were a bunch of them in the package. I know they were supposed to be fused together, not sewn, but they seem to be single-layer. We're washing them now.

Just saw a segment on The Weather Channel where a small business in California is making them - $10 each or 3 for $25, 6 for $50. They look like the real deal. Two layers of cotton with filter material inside. Washable. I have no idea how long it would take to get them after ordering - they were initially making them for healthcare workers as PPE and giving them away. Anyway, here's the website if you want to check them out: https://www.shopeverydayritual.com/shop-4
 

woozman

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I'm wondering if woozman and me are going to get ripped off.

I ordered a 5 pack of masks from them last Saturday, got an email on Monday saying they shipped, and they got here on Thursday. They are as advertised and I wore one to the store yesterday.

Now I probably did piss my money away though because my Aunt made me a couple sweet MSU themed 3 cotton layer masks that I wasn’t expecting. My mom left them on her deck for me this morning when I dropped off her groceries. Nice surprise...
 

RocketDawg

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Just got this in email. $30 for a 12 pack. 3-5 days. Custom ink uses a large network of small businesses to fill orders. Link to follow.

I have a feeling they will be required to leave home soon. Lead times will probably grow quickly.

ETA. They sucked. Make your own.

Mine came in yesterday, and I got this email today:

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Thank you for your business and trust. The face masks have started arriving to customers, and while many people are very happy with them, others expected thicker material. I’m not sure what you think but want to address potential concerns.

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The masks are simply single-ply cotton-blend jersey fabric (like most of our t-shirts) cleverly cut to fit around the ears and cover the face. While they don’t look or feel substantial sitting in your hand, they’re comfortable, breathable, fairly durable, and compatible with the CDC’s guidance on “quick cut t-shirt” masks here as well as publicly available research summarized here. They do curl in the wash, but they fit fine once you put them on again.

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We’re also able to source & distribute these in large quantities with minimal human touch to quickly and economically meet a huge & pressing public health need (which is about slowing the spread and preserving medical-grade masks for healthcare professionals). From what we can see, traditionally constructed masks are many times more expensive and may not be available for weeks.

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As noted above, a number of customers have told us they expected thicker fabric, which has us looking at ways to optimize both the product info on our website as well as the mask material itself. I’m sorry for any confusion, and if the masks are not what you want, please contact us so we can make it right.

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Meanwhile, many customers say the masks are working great for them for all the reasons I described above. We’re doing our best to help meet a critical need and will soon be delivering new orders within just 1-3 days. If you’d like to buy more, they remain for sale here.

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RocketDawg

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They sucked. My bad Rocket.

No problem.

Did you get your refund? I got an email today from them saying they'd had lots of complaints. I copied and pasted it down lower in this thread. I'll just keep mine. Wife is thinking about sewing two of them together (that might not really do much good as Blacklisted says below, but it should make them feel more substantial, plus it'd have a stitch around the outside to give it more body).
 

yjnkdawg

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I ordered a 5 pack of masks from them last Saturday, got an email on Monday saying they shipped, and they got here on Thursday. They are as advertised and I wore one to the store yesterday.

Now I probably did piss my money away though because my Aunt made me a couple sweet MSU themed 3 cotton layer masks that I wasn’t expecting. My mom left them on her deck for me this morning when I dropped off her groceries. Nice surprise...



Great to hear that you actually got them, and they were as advertised. I was concerned it may be a scam when I got that email about the toilet paper. Too bad you didn't know about what your Aunt was going to do. I contacted familyfacemask today and told them I needed to change my order and delete the HEPA filter pack (even the HEPA vacuum manufacturers say don't use their filters for those masks) and just get the masks. I was told that the order couldn't be changed but I could cancel the order. Which I did since the filter pack ($19.99) was not going to be used.