PSA for cloth Facemasks

Jeffreauxdawg

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Just got this in email. $30 for a 12 pack. 3-5 days. Custom ink uses a large network of small businesses to fill orders. Link to follow.

I have a feeling they will be required to leave home soon. Lead times will probably grow quickly.

ETA. They sucked. Make your own.
 
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woozman

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Will those work? I was going to order some from the site you linked, but those masks are 48% polyester. I’m probably wrong, but I thought that cloth masks were supposed to be all cotton...
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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Will those work? I was going to order some from the site you linked, but those masks are 48% polyester. I’m probably wrong, but I thought that cloth masks were supposed to be all cotton...

I think it's just to keep your loogies from hitting the guy in front of you or the checkout stand. I would think thread count would matter more than anything... I have a set of cotton sheets that came out of the package with holes so big you could pass a small turd through without leaving a mark.
 

RocketDawg

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Is this a legitimate company? Meaning, is it safe to use your credit card with them? I don't do PayPal.
 

Dawgpile

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Thanks for the link.

I was going to sew my own, but elastic will take a month to arrive from Amazon.

Yes, I can sew.
 

RocketDawg

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We were going to use some flat elastic we have on-hand, but the price for these is reasonable and they are washable and reusable. They are also made by machine (no human contact) and no sewing (apparently fused). I ordered a 12-pack, so we'll see how they work. Above all else, they are US made.
 

woozman

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They will not. The guidelines are 100% cotton double layer tightly woven.

Yeah - I just did a little research.

“The best masks were constructed of two layers of heavyweight "quilters cotton" with a thread count of at least 180, and had thicker and tighter weave.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1175966

Joe Lee is right, though, according to this. You’re supposed to wear it to keep you from spreading to someone else. That makes no sense to me, though. How can something let a microscopic particle in under the minimal force of breathing, but contain one in an extreme force during a cough or sneeze?
 

RocketDawg

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Neither does a bandana. I'm not planning on doing any surgery in them, but if a hard order comes down to wear a mask they'll be on hand.. Also, can also add another layer or two if needed.

Regular paper surgical masks don't filter the virus either, and N95's are impossible to find.
 

RocketDawg

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Yeah - I just did a little research.

“The best masks were constructed of two layers of heavyweight "quilters cotton" with a thread count of at least 180, and had thicker and tighter weave.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1175966

Joe Lee is right, though, according to this. You’re supposed to wear it to keep you from spreading to someone else. That makes no sense to me, though. How can something let a microscopic particle in under the minimal force of breathing, but contain one in an extreme force during a cough or sneeze?

Slowing it down is better than nothing. Plus, it kinda keeps you from actually touching your mouth. Maybe minimimaly helpful, but also better than nothing.
 

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Yeah - I just did a little research.

“The best masks were constructed of two layers of heavyweight "quilters cotton" with a thread count of at least 180, and had thicker and tighter weave.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1175966

Joe Lee is right, though, according to this. You’re supposed to wear it to keep you from spreading to someone else. That makes no sense to me, though. How can something let a microscopic particle in under the minimal force of breathing, but contain one in an extreme force during a cough or sneeze?

The masks help stop droplet transmission (sneezing, heavy breathing, talking, or touching a surface contaminated by one of these mechanisms) which is thought to be the main mechanism of spread and likely most effective way it spreads. Basically the spit droplets get stopped by the mask. This is most effective if the sick person is the one wearing the mask.

The masks don’t help very much with aerosolized transmission which is what you’re talking about. This is a less well understood secondary mechanism of transmission. Basically unless you have a tight seal and force air through a fine filter (N95), much of the air you breath will take the “path of least resistance” around the mask or through less heavily filtered areas.
 

Dawgpile

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It appears to be an Asian website.

ETA; Check that...it's Australian.
 
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Dawgpile

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Just got this in email. $30 for a 12 pack. 3-5 days. Custom ink uses a large network of small businesses to fill orders. Link to follow.

I have a feeling they will be required to leave home soon. Lead times will probably grow quickly.

https://www.customink.com/products/categories/face-masks/205/styles

Not throwing stones at you Joe Lee, but these are an absolute joke for $30.

Mine just arrived after a week, and all they are is 12 pieces of cut cloth with no stitching at all. And super thin at that. You could cut the same out of an old T-shirt with a pair of scissors and have better quality and potential protection/suppression.

I made a template of these masks if anybody wants it for free. Super easy to make your own.
 

RocketDawg

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What material is the MERV filter made of? You sure don't want to be breathing in fiberglas fibers or particles. I've heard that some cut up furnace filters and stick that in their masks - not sure it's a safe thing to do.
 

RocketDawg

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I'm sure they're making a huge profit, pretty much opportunistic. That said, mine haven't come in yet. I ordered them last Friday evening. I suppose you could always wear a surgical mask underneath, if you have any laying around (like I do). This mask would provide a tighter fit. Don't know if you could breathe through all those layers though .... **
 

RocketDawg

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Just saw a graphic on the news. If you're a jogger, they said you could spread your breath as much as 27 feet behind you. So you need to be either the front runner, or stay back. The graphic was sort of amusing.
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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Not throwing stones at you Joe Lee, but these are an absolute joke for $30.

Mine just arrived after a week, and all they are is 12 pieces of cut cloth with no stitching at all. And super thin at that. You could cut the same out of an old T-shirt with a pair of scissors and have better quality and potential protection/suppression.

I made a template of these masks if anybody wants it for free. Super easy to make your own.

No ****. Just got mine too. They work, but I feel like I just dropped the soap in the shower and asked some of you to pick it up for me. I'm extremely sorry that I shared this... Class action?

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RocketDawg

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Sounds like I'll definitely be wearing a surgical mask underneath these. $38 error (including tax and shipping).

Mine haven't come in yet. Got an email that they're upgrading the shipping at no additional cost, but they haven't shown up yet.
 
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Thanks woozman. I ordered the Cotton 5 Pack and the Merv filter pack. Not sure if I need the filter pack, but I ordered it anyway.
Merv 8 filters are useless vs Covid-19. These folks should be ashamed for offering this, as it might make people think the Merv is real protection. Covid-19 is drastically smaller than the filtration rate of a Merv 8.

I thought about constructing my own mask with Merv filtering early on, so researched it. Ultimately I decided the only Merv rating that had any chance to help would be so restrictive you'd find it hard to breath air through it. It would literally be so restrictive it would overwhelm damn near everybody's residential, and the vast majority of commercial HVAC systems due to the pressure build up caused by the system struggling to force air through the filter. How well do you think a human's lungs would be able to handle this?

Heck, I took a coffee filter, filled it with a layer of the cotton pads my wife uses to remove makeup, inserted that into a bandana and wore it to go grocery shopping. It was a struggle getting air through that. A high-enough Merv rating to have even a chance of offering some protection would likely be much more restrictive.

This virus is believed to be between .07 to about .15 micron or pm in size. The Merv 8 filter used in these masks is rated to filter nothing smaller than 3 micron or pm. Useless as a ppm.

Even if you go up to the highest Merv-rating of 20, you might get decent protection, but would you be able to breath, and what harmful things might you be inhaling from the cut up filter?
 
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One thing I've been considering is whether it might work to create a small box made of Merv-20 filters, cut a hole large enough to insert the tube from a CPAP mask, then see if I could create a sealing method that would restrict significant air pass-through on the filters only. I wonder if there would be enough air volume to pass through for breathing, yet enough exit of exhaled carbon dioxide to work.

Perhaps a mask could be modifed to isolate air intake into the nose and exhale from the mouth via a one-way valve? Not being an engineer or scientist, I don't really know, but as an exercise in thought, I'd sure welcome any feedback from the posters here that perhaps do have the knowledge.
 

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They can be doubled up easily to offer better protection, but they won't last more than 1 or 2 uses. I just assumed they would be hemmed around the edges. That would make all the difference. I have requested refund. We will see how it goes.
 
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They can be doubled up easily to offer better protection, but they won't last more than 1 or 2 uses. I just assumed they would be hemmed around the edges. That would make all the difference. I have requested refund. We will see how it goes.

Try taking a colander like the one used to drain the water from cooked spaghetti, then put a 2nd colander under the first one before you pour the spaghetti from the pot. You're gonna get pretty much the same amount of water getting all the way through, with the only difference the insignificant amount that clings to the surface and the noodles.

Anything you use as a filtration device is going to have to be capable of stopping particles as small as the virus to do any good. If you use a filter capable of stopping them at a 30% rate, then doubling up could possibly help a little, though nowhere close to double. But using filters not capable of stopping more than say 5%, with those 5 being stopped because the virus happened to be embedded in a water drop large enough to be stopped, doubling, tripling, quadrupling, etc., is not going to give you any significant protection as a PPE. At best it may do a better job of limiting how much is spread by someone infected wearing it.

Part of the reason N95 masks work as well as they do is because they use electret filters, which attract the smaller virus particles due to the strong electrostatic force exhibited by the fibers used in the making. The masks are constructed in such a way that, if worn properly, the easiest path for air is through the filter.

Once you start trying to use non-electret filters, you need to find other ways to prevent those virus-sized particles from getting through to your nose or mouth. Now you're talking about physical filters so tightly woven or compacted that multiple layers make it harder for enough air to get through to let you breath. Keep in mind, your mask will need to seal on your face well enough also. So, the more difficult you make it for air to pass through the filter, the more likely it will find another path to get in via incoming air...like the sides, by your nose, etc. You need a filter that lets air in easily enough, but also captures a high enough percentage of the virus particles to be useful.

That said, there is a place in SoCal making a mask they claim is stopping as much as 82% of particles according to the only tester they could get...a tester that measures particles from .02 to 1 micron. They claim this virus comes in at around .125 micron. Now I'm not sure how specific their test is as to how much is filtered by particle size in that .02 to 1 micron range (for instance do they get to 82% overall by mostly stopping particles above .125 through 1 micron?), but from what I've seen, this seems to be the most promising DIY mask I've found on the www. And because they aren't selling them, rather offering free instructions, patterns and parts lists on their website for any who want to make them, they aren't driven by profit, thus are far less likely to be offering a bogus solution. Also, they are making no claim they can prevent Covid-19 infection. Just sharing their experience on what they have found seems to work best from likely available materials for DIYers.

Here's a link for the DIY mask instructions:
https://suayla.com/pages/suay-community-mask-coalition
 
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Nunya.sixpack

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Sooooo...which step is keeping the virus from sticking to the synthetic fibers (which is why they are no bueno)...
 

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Merv 8 filters are useless vs Covid-19. These folks should be ashamed for offering this, as it might make people thing the Merv is real protection. Covid-19 is drastically smaller than the filtration rate of a Merv 8.

I thought about contructing my own mask with Merv filtering early on, so researched it. Ultimately I decided the only Merv rating that had any chance to help would be so restrictive you'd find it hard to breath air through it. It would literally be so restrictive it would overwhelm damn near everybody's residential, and the vast majority of commercial HVAC systems due to the pressure build up caused by the system struggling to force air through the filter. How well do you think a human's lungs would be able to handle this?

Heck, I took a coffee filter, filled it with a layer of the cotton pads my wife uses to remove makeup, inserted that into a bandana and wore it to go grocery shopping. It was a struggle getting air through that. A high-enough Merv rating to have even a chance of offering some protection would likely be much more restrictive.

This virus is believed to be between .07 to about .15 micron or pm in size. The Merv 8 filter used in these masks is rated to filter nothing smaller than 3 micron or pm. Useless as a ppm.

Even if you go up to the highest Merv-rating of 20, you might get decent protection, but would you be able to breath, and what harmful things might you be inhaling from the cut up filter?


Yeah, I kinda jumped the gun on that filter as the website made it look like it was extra protection. Spur of the moment decision and not thinking it through. I'm wondering if woozman and me are going to get ripped off. It has been five days and the only thing I have gotten besides where the credit card company notified me that an online charge had been authorized are two emails. One that if I ordered some more masks and/or filters, that I could take 15% off and they were going fast. The other email was that they had contracted with a major tp manufacturer (red flag), and you could add tp to your mask order while it was available. Well, if I get ripped off it won't be the first time, but we shall see if the masks do arrive.
 
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RocketDawg

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Probably easier to just buy a respirator. I have no idea what size particulates they filter, but presumably there is a range available.

Generally speaking, cloth and surgical masks protect others from you, not you from others. Do N-95 masks really protect from Covid-19?