Pretty disgusting first half , really decent second half all our doing

[goru7]

Very hard to win any game when you play that horrible a first half and it primarily had to do with Rutgers and not Wisconsin. We had 7 mindless turnovers that they turned into 14 points and they had 7 second chance points when they rarely missed but got a damn offensive rebound. That is 21 points of their 22 point halftime lead.
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The rest of it was Pike ‘s ridiculous mantra to have a foot in the paint on help defense and every single time our weak side can never recover for the kick out 3 . They shot wide open 3’s with no one close enough to even get a hand up . Our guys are not smart enough to recover to the wing to close out so they listen to the bad coaching to a fault.

The other major problem was the horrible defense on Boyd. No matter how matter times the announcer Sean Morris , who knows what he is talking about, said you cannot let him go left , Rutgers and in particular JMike let him go left. We gave up 32 points to him which cost us the chance for a comeback. JMike ‘s defense and powers defense guarding him was pathetically bad. Plus if you breathed on him too hard he was going to the line where he hit 14/15.

Francis was terrible in the first half trying real hard to get his shots up and his 0-6 was brutal to go along with terrible defense. Thankfully he hit a layup 5 minutes into the second half to get him going a little . But the rest of the team seemed to move the ball well except Francis , then he had the pick 6 turnover during the comeback, followed by allowing an open 3. Brutal. He tried to play hero ball on a number of possessions down the stretch that killed us. The ball was moving well so no need for his play today.

JMike was more offensive today and it was a welcome sight. If JMike is going to let the other team’s guard score at will , he has to score more and 14 points today was a good start. One of his 3’s was on an excellent sequence where the extra pass was made to him.
Buchanan was a little too passive today. It is a fine line , if he gets sped up , he can turn it over but not a king hurts the offense as well. Couple of putbacks on the offensive glass that got swatted if he got fouled hurt. He missed 2 foul shots down 11 that would have gotten it to 9 and we got a stop and score on the next possessions so it to 7 so could have gotten it to 5 if he made them with plenty of time.Then he missed 2 more with about 2 minutes left.
Manny played real well today especially rebounding in the second half , a like offense and good defense and for some reason that will escape me Pike took him out with 5:15 left when we were down 9 or 10. Terrible damn sub. We also went inside out with him a number of times in the second half that resulted in a kick out , a swing pass and a knocked down 3. It was nice to see and I am scratching my head asking where has that been all year.
Powers and Zrno , I am going to lump together. If we got them good looks , they should knock down shots. Now Zrno was 0-6 against Northwestern but not today 5/9. Powers can drive and hit the mid range. When they are on the court , either one with Francis , it makes the defense choose and you are putting pressure on the defense. . That is why I have advocated for their continued time because we are hard pressed for offense. Although Powers struggled defensively today , both have tried hard to be serviceable defensively.

Dylan ‘s fog, loss of confidence , ? Has really hurt us. If we had a productive Grant today we might have pulled off the comeback. Pike has to do more to put him in offensive sets to succeed .

Dorsch and Nwuili gave you some offense and decent defense but need more . Posting Nwuili will be worth a shot. Dorsch developing a drop step would really help.

No moral victories but this game in my opinion was lost by Rutgers instead of won by Wisconsin. When the turnovers stopped , the second chance points stopped and we guarded the 3 point line good things happened . Cutting it from 26-7 with plenty of time and then not guarding Boyd’s left hand , not hitting foul shots or the putbacks at the rim cost us the chance for the full comeback.

 

[seansherm]

Don't forget EO who mostly gave solid minutes, outside a couple hedges on screens where he stayed too high and didnt recover to his man, giving 9 boards in 21 minutes, more than 4 of the starters totaled in 94 minutes.

 

[dark_check]

My question is why do we always take a big first half deficit and how do we stop that. I hear you about pack line d but also No offensive structure? Substitutions? Other thoughts?

 

[goru7]

Don't forget EO who mostly gave solid minutes, outside a couple hedges on screens where he stayed too high and didnt recover to his man, giving 9 boards in 21 minutes, more than 4 of the starters totaled in 94 minutes.

I mentioned Manny and thought he had a good game defensively and on the glass and was wondering why Pike took him out of the game with 5:15 left. . We also should have played more inside out with him. Little things or little mistakes add up

 

[goru7]

My question is why do we always take a big first half deficit and how do we stop that. I hear you about pack line d but also No offensive structure? Substitutions? Other thoughts?

Normally it is mindless turnovers and not guarding especially not guarding the 3 point line. We had only 3 turnovers in the second half compared to 7 in the first half costing 14 points. We only had 7 turnovers against Northwestern and only 6 against Oregon .Getting up a decent shot every possession instead of turning it over is huge. The Wisconsin account of the game mentioned in the second half we scored 1.95 a possession , which is clearly our highest of the year along with the 58 points.
Pike’s rotations were terrible for the first 12 -14 games but better the last 4 games or so. Still he took out Manny with over 5 minutes to play down 9 for no good reason as he was playing real well and making a difference

 

[dark_check]

Normally it is mindless turnovers and not guarding especially not guarding the 3 point line. We had only 3 turnovers in the second half compared to 7 in the first half costing 14 points. We only had 7 turnovers against Northwestern and only 6 against Oregon .Getting up a decent shot every possession instead of turning it over is huge. The Wisconsin account of the game mentioned in the second half we scored 1.95 a possession , which is clearly our highest of the year along with the 58 points.
Pike’s rotations were terrible for the first 12 -14 games but better the last 4 games or so. Still he took out Manny with over 5 minutes to play down 9 for no good reason as he was playing real well and making a difference

I still think having better offensive sets, structure and less iso ball would help with the “getting up a decent shot every possession…”

 

[goru7]

I still think having better offensive sets, structure and less iso ball would help with the “getting up a decent shot every possession…”

I hope you watch the games. Our shots and looks have been good. But they have not been made enough even when open. We run high pick and roll without throwing to the roll. We run wing screens but you are right. It is not enough. I wish we would st least try to play inside out with the emphasis on the kick out . I would prefer pin downs for Powers and Zrno as well as staggered screens. We hit on 1,95 points per possession second half Wisconsin based on ball movement which was good and limited turnovers.

 

[BigRnj]

OP - I’m glad you weren’t grading my test scores. Calling a 58 point second half “pretty decent.” You have some high standards. That’s scoring at a 116 point clip

 

[RW90]

I hope you watch the games. Our shots and looks have been good. But they have not been made enough even when open. We run high pick and roll without throwing to the roll. We run wing screens but you are right. It is not enough. I wish we would st least try to play inside out with the emphasis on the kick out . I would prefer pin downs for Powers and Zrno as well as staggered screens. We hit on 1,95 points per possession second half Wisconsin based on ball movement which was good and limited turnovers.

Crazy how the high pick and roll is a staple season to season. And yet I can’t remember a single pass back to Manny. All it does is take him out of position for any possible rebounds.

 

[Simce91]

Crazy how the high pick and roll is a staple season to season. And yet I can’t remember a single pass back to Manny. All it does is take him out of position for any possible rebounds.

And gives him 1 or 2 wasted fouls that could be used later

 

[dark_check]

I hope you watch the games. Our shots and looks have been good. But they have not been made enough even when open. We run high pick and roll without throwing to the roll. We run wing screens but you are right. It is not enough. I wish we would st least try to play inside out with the emphasis on the kick out . I would prefer pin downs for Powers and Zrno as well as staggered screens. We hit on 1,95 points per possession second half Wisconsin based on ball movement which was good and limited turnovers.

I hear you. Back in the ncaa days we kicked things off with a horns set and played off of it. Nowadays too many times I see our devolve to iso ball. I admittedly didn’t watch much of yesterday’s game.

 

[goru7]

OP - I’m glad you weren’t grading my test scores. Calling a 58 point second half “pretty decent.” You have some high standards. That’s scoring at a 116 point clip

Didn’t mean to downplay second half. 1.95 points a passion was phenomenal and maybe our highest in 3 years for sure. Just lamenting the terrible first half.

 

[scarletrat99]

Hard not think that RU has slow starts, esp on road, because the other team is actually playing, and then takes gas off pedal in 2nd half, allowing RU to play even...

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

Hard not think that RU has slow starts, esp on road, because the other team is actually playing, and then takes gas off pedal in 2nd half, allowing RU to play even...

of course that was part of it. But 58 is 58. For a team that struggles to score it is at least maybe, possibly, potentially, theoretically, a positive sign, of sorts. Perhaps.

 

[satnom]

My question is why do we always take a big first half deficit and how do we stop that. I hear you about pack line d but also No offensive structure? Substitutions? Other thoughts?

Poor defensive play and empty possessions = poor half.

4 out of 5 Wisc players were just standing outside the three pt line and they got an over abundance of And 1 scores in the paint.

Second half RU made buckets and tightened up the defense.

I dislike playing teams that play basketball like it’s a 3 pt contest but that’s the game many have adopted. When RU plays these type of 3pt shooting offenses RU defense has to keep them at 30% or below and the RU 2 pt shooting offense has to be at 50% for the game to be in RU’s favor.

GO RU

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I hope you watch the games. Our shots and looks have been good. But they have not been made enough even when open. We run high pick and roll without throwing to the roll. We run wing screens but you are right. It is not enough. I wish we would st least try to play inside out with the emphasis on the kick out . I would prefer pin downs for Powers and Zrno as well as staggered screens. We hit on 1,95 points per possession second half Wisconsin based on ball movement which was good and limited turnovers.

Basically our offense is hope a few guys get hot from 3 and ride Tariq in iso. We don’t have much choice

You can’t play inside out when you have no inside offensive weapons. Bryce and Ogbole only make wide open dunks and put backs.

of course that was part of it. But 58 is 58. For a team that struggles to score it is at least maybe, possibly, potentially, theoretically, a positive sign, of sorts. Perhaps.

When Tariq is on - we don’t struggle to score. Arguably when that happens in combo with others knocking down 3s we’re decent on offensive but still have a putrid defense with holes that cannot be overcome with the pieces we have.

 

[richthedentist]

Basically our offense is hope a few guys get hot from 3 and ride Tariq in iso. We don’t have much choice

You can’t play inside out when you have no inside offensive weapons. Bryce and Ogbole only make wide open dunks and put backs.


When Tariq is on - we don’t struggle to score. Arguably when that happens in combo with others knocking down 3s we’re decent on offensive but still have a putrid defense with holes that cannot be overcome with the pieces we have.

Tariq has to start this bringing him off the bench is crap we have already dug a hole by the 4 minute mark

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Tariq has to start this bringing him off the bench is crap we have already dug a hole by the 4 minute mark

In the last game that wasn’t even a problem. The score was 10-7 when he came in. The bigger issue with bringing him off the bench on the road in that savior 6 man role is that it puts pressure on him to come in and add a spark immediately. Now that there’s a target on him, he needs to learn to feel out how the D is playing us when he comes into the game. When you don’t have the juice from the crowd on your side its probably easier to do it less climactically from opening tip. At least that’s my opinion.

Truth be told, he wasn’t really “awful”, just that his early shots weren’t falling. Nobody scores 30 every single game. The only truly bad shot he took was that 3 off his own steal towards the end of game. That has to be a shot at the rim because he’s going to the line there at minimum. Instead it was a long rebound and free throws the other way. Basically a 4 point swing at a critical time.