Prediction Thread - Ole Miss

[BiscuitEater]

OM bans sticks from VH in 1997 ..

OM 'disassociates' itself form the Confederate flag in 1998

OM 'retires' Colonel Reb in 2003

OM 'bans' To Dixie With Love from VH in 2009

The University of Mississippi announced that school will hold onto its Ole Miss nickname, but only for athletics in 2014

The University of Mississippi 'officially' changes athletic mascot from 'rebels' to black bears in ______________.

The University of Mississippi officially 'disassociates' itself from any reference to 'Ole Miss' because it is too rooted in the racial past to be used today in _________.

* SEC Media Days are NO PLACE to ask about anything but not related to upcoming football season. IfHugh Kellenberger can bring up the flag with Mullen, surely he can discuss these today when he runs into Bucky.

 

[57stratdawg]

Is "after the next mass church shooting" an appropriate answer?

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Too soon

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

In the year two thousand.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.

 

[fishwater99]

Change is coming...

Freeze surely will be asked about all of the above by the CL, right?

 

[dawgstudent]

I'll give you this - you have called the change of the mascot and said they will change Ole Miss next.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

I'm surprised they haven't caught any out of state flak as of yet. The PC police is attacking high schools in TX with the "rebels" name. I think I saw where John Oliver was poking fun at a high school with the exact rebel likeness (elderly man with a cane) as UM.

Even though the circle the wagon mentality of UM fans says that it's a non issue... There are some uneasy feelings with the NCAA in town and their beloved elderly man with a cane in possible future peril.

 

[Digging dog]

One point if they will call themselves the "University of Mississippi". Maybe the rest of the nation will quit getting is mixed up.

 

[rem101]

Why change Ole Miss? It just means Old Mississippi!**

 

[ShrubDog]

John Oliver did a piece on Vestavia Hills High School in the B'Ham area. They have the same swollen brain syndrome over there like OM because they are penny loafing.

I'm surprised they haven't caught any out of state flak as of yet. The PC police is attacking high schools in TX with the "rebels" name. I think I saw where John Oliver was poking fun at a high school with the exact rebel likeness (elderly man with a cane) as UM.

Even though the circle the wagon mentality of UM fans says that it's a non issue... There are some uneasy feelings with the NCAA in town and their beloved elderly man with a cane in possible future peril.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Why change Ole Miss? It just means Old Mississippi!**

Actually, there is no agreement on where the name came from or what it meant when it was selected as the name of the yearbook. It's not on record anywhere. A lot of people have made assumptions about different possibilities, but there is no record anywhere that shows what the name "Ole Miss" actually meant, and you won't find it spelled "ole miss" in documents prior to the use of it in naming the yearbook "The Ole Miss". Many have speculated on its origin, but it has never been truly defined.

On those names, our athletic department and university have been attempting to re-brand them both for a while now. They've taken ownership of the names and put them forward as the chief way to market the university. You probably saw the ads "I am a Rebel" ad campaign, where they said things like "I am a Business Rebel", "I am a Wellness Rebel". That was from back in 2012. Part of that re-branding began with the changing of the mascot and the elimination of the use of the Colonel's likeness. Since then, they've been on a re-branding path for both Rebels and Ole Miss. I can't promise anything for the future, but I can tell you where the university stands on those two things, and they've clearly taken ownership of both and made them central focuses in the way we market and brand ourselves in order to put whatever potential negative connotation of those names to bed.

I know you guys like to bring it up to poke the bear (pun intended). I know that's no different than when our fans start talking about LSU to get you guys riled up, but our university has embraced both names, and they've been re-branding for years.

 

[ShrubDog]

The leadership of UM has admitted the term Ole Miss is offensive to some people. That is why they have tried to limit the term Ole Miss to athletics only. So with all if this talk going on about race relations wouldn't it be smart to get rid of the slogan and Rebel completely?

 

[EAVdog]

Even if you are right...

Actually, there is no agreement on where the name came from or what it meant when it was selected as the name of the yearbook. It's not on record anywhere. A lot of people have made assumptions about different possibilities, but there is no record anywhere that shows what the name "Ole Miss" actually meant, and you won't find it spelled "ole miss" in documents prior to the use of it in naming the yearbook "The Ole Miss". Many have speculated on its origin, but it has never been truly defined.

On those names, our athletic department and university have been attempting to re-brand them both for a while now. They've taken ownership of the names and put them forward as the chief way to market the university. You probably saw the ads "I am a Rebel" ad campaign, where they said things like "I am a Business Rebel", "I am a Wellness Rebel". That was from back in 2012. Part of that re-branding began with the changing of the mascot and the elimination of the use of the Colonel's likeness. Since then, they've been on a re-branding path for both Rebels and Ole Miss. I can't promise anything for the future, but I can tell you where the university stands on those two things, and they've clearly taken ownership of both and made them central focuses in the way we market and brand ourselves in order to put whatever potential negative connotation of those names to bed.

I know you guys like to bring it up to poke the bear (pun intended). I know that's no different than when our fans start talking about LSU to get you guys riled up, but our university has embraced both names, and they've been re-branding for years.

It does not matter. Ole Miss and the nickname Rebel are linked to historical narratives that are not seen in positive lights. Putting it mildly. They will be changed. No branding campaign will stop it. It will happen. And it won't be the end of the process. Mascots, road names, nicknames, logos, ... names on buildings. I'm not saying it's a bad thing either.

My prediction is that it will happen and the other offensive items will begin to be removed within 10 years from now.

(And everyone knows what Ole Miss stands for)

 

[Junction John]

Good Lord, Yancy, don't you have a recruiting article to write?

Do you have a job or anything else to do? Or is your sole reason for existence to monitor your rival's board and answer every thread with the Ole Miss spin? It just doesn't make sense.

You have had a good rent-free run for years, but honestly, aren't you tired of defending the school by now? It's such a waste of your time. I mean, look at the posts above. REM101 made a one-sentence joke about the words 'ole miss', and you spent what must have been several minutes carefully crafting a response explaining the Rebel perspective. I don't know exactly what you said, because I didn't read it... I didn't read it because IT DOESN'T MATTER to me, or dare I say, most MSU fans. I COULD NOT CARE LESS what the Rebel perspective is on this -- or any -- topic.

You seem like a smart guy. Go have fun. Quit wasting your life on a State message board trying to make Ole Miss look good. It's not going to work. You're never going to convince anyone over here to tolerate Ole Miss, much less like it, or adopt the Ole Miss way of life.

So why continue this Quixotic venture? Go live life, man. It's not worth all this effort. You have to be tired. I know I'm tired, and I gave up attempting to read your posts long ago.

But as always, thanks for reading**

 

[RebelBruiser]

https://vimeo.com/103549519

Explain to me where they're arguing that the term "Ole Miss" is offensive to anyone. The removal of the term "Ole Miss" on the academic side was to eliminate confusion. The academic side is the formal side of the university, and thus should use the formal name for hiring, recruiting, letterhead, emails, etc. The athletic side can and will use the informal nickname. It's no different than if you go by Bobby, but you prefer to use Robert in your professional setting.

And again, they're re-branding "Rebels" right now. Since this is still an active and in-use term, it can be branded. Change is certainly in the works, but it's been a long effort to change the meaning of the word, not to change the word itself. Many of our fans don't seem to get this either, but it's been pretty clear what the marketing/branding plan has been.

Point being, they don't see those terms as offensive, and they're spending the effort to make sure the public's perception of those terms is what they brand it to be. Again, I know you guys like to prod Ole Miss people over this stuff, but there is no reason to have to change the name "Ole Miss" given that the origin of the term is murky at best, and the widely accepted connotation of the term "Ole Miss" is the nickname for the University of Mississippi. "Rebels" to me is all dependent on how it is branded. "Rebels" has many meanings. We know the origin of the term in this particular instance, which is why I would say if anything will ever be dropped, it would be that name. However, it's a term that can also be re-branded. How successful that re-branding will be remains to be seen.

 

[ShrubDog]

Ole Miss Struggles to Be a New Miss

The University of Mississippi wants to stop going by its nickname and improve campus race relations. Students are not happy.


To most University of Mississippi students and alumni, calling the institution “Ole Miss” is just natural. It’s what people say. University email addresses are @olemiss.edu, not @umiss.edu. But not everyone likes the name.


The Ole Miss Name

The current review is broader than many of the previous efforts, which focused on specific practices such as flying Confederate flags. The university is now discussing diversity broadly, and history and symbols and names that have created strong emotional connections for many students and alumni. The Ole Miss name is a particularly contentious issue.

The university statement said this on the Ole Miss name: “UM’s longstanding nickname is beloved by the vast majority of its students and alumni. But a few, especially some university faculty, are uncomfortable with it. Some don’t want it used at all and some simply don’t want it used within the academic context.” The statement noted that the university did a national study of people’s responses to the name and found that most people view it only as “an affectionate name for the university” and that “a very small percentage of respondents associate the university, either as ‘Ole Miss’ or ‘University of Mississippi,’ with negative race issues.”

The statement said that “both names will be used in appropriate contexts going forward, with particular emphasis going to ‘Ole Miss’ in athletics and as a representation of the university’s spirit.”


Whats your essay on this? Re branding?

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/...using_ole_miss_nickname_because.html#comments

https://vimeo.com/103549519

Explain to me where they're arguing that the term "Ole Miss" is offensive to anyone. The removal of the term "Ole Miss" on the academic side was to eliminate confusion. The academic side is the formal side of the university, and thus should use the formal name for hiring, recruiting, letterhead, emails, etc. The athletic side can and will use the informal nickname. It's no different than if you go by Bobby, but you prefer to use Robert in your professional setting.

And again, they're re-branding "Rebels" right now. Since this is still an active and in-use term, it can be branded. Change is certainly in the works, but it's been a long effort to change the meaning of the word, not to change the word itself. Many of our fans don't seem to get this either, but it's been pretty clear what the marketing/branding plan has been.

Point being, they don't see those terms as offensive, and they're spending the effort to make sure the public's perception of those terms is what they brand it to be. Again, I know you guys like to prod Ole Miss people over this stuff, but there is no reason to have to change the name "Ole Miss" given that the origin of the term is murky at best, and the widely accepted connotation of the term "Ole Miss" is the nickname for the University of Mississippi. "Rebels" to me is all dependent on how it is branded. "Rebels" has many meanings. We know the origin of the term in this particular instance, which is why I would say if anything will ever be dropped, it would be that name. However, it's a term that can also be re-branded. How successful that re-branding will be remains to be seen.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Yes. They use the same Col. Reb that OM people claim is not a plaintation owner

which John Oliver ridiculed for being an obvious planation owner. I'm pretty surprised they didn't get brought up.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

"Ole Miss" is what slaves called the plantation owner's wife.

 

[EurekaDog]

I kinda surprised ESPN hasn't made their announcers abandon "Ole Miss" for...

"The University of Mississippi" especially with ESPN's PC attitudes.

 

[EurekaDog]

I'm kinda surprised ESPN hasn't made their announcers abandon "Ole Miss" for...

"The University of Mississippi" especially with ESPN's PC attitudes.

 

[fishwater99]

It only makes sense. Change is coming, they would be smart to do it now before Al and Jessie show up.

 

[Shmuley]

"Rebel Bruiser shuts the F up in NEVER."

 

[coach66]

You got to give him credit, he is relentless in his defense of the plantation.

He can take a beating pretty well too*.

 

[ShrubDog]

Everytime he types I have to open up google since he never uses it.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Read much ..

Actually, there is no agreement on where the name came from or what it meant when it was selected as the name of the yearbook. It's not on record anywhere. A lot of people have made assumptions about different possibilities, but there is no record anywhere that shows what the name "Ole Miss" actually meant, and you won't find it spelled "ole miss" in documents prior to the use of it in naming the yearbook "The Ole Miss". Many have speculated on its origin, but it has never been truly defined.

Please explain 'why' Ole Miss "Welcome to Ole Miss" publication and olemiss.edu website said this for years .. "During this time period, the university became known as "Ole Miss," a moniker used by slaves to describe the wife of the plantation owner."
Read it here .. https://web.archive.org/web/20121102143105/http://www.olemiss.edu/conf/welcometable/whyOM.html

On those names, our athletic department and university have been attempting to re-brand them both for a while now. They've taken ownership of the names and put them forward as the chief way to market the university. You probably saw the ads "I am a Rebel" ad campaign, where they said things like "I am a Business Rebel", "I am a Wellness Rebel". That was from back in 2012. Part of that re-branding began with the changing of the mascot and the elimination of the use of the Colonel's likeness. Since then, they've been on a re-branding path for both Rebels and Ole Miss. I can't promise anything for the future, but I can tell you where the university stands on those two things, and they've clearly taken ownership of both and made them central focuses in the way we market and brand ourselves in order to put whatever potential negative connotation of those names to bed.

You must have missed this .. "The University of Mississippi wants to stop going by its nickname and improve campus race relations. Students are not happy."

Think you also must have missed the Dan Jones interview ..

The latest initiative is a diversity plan Chancellor Dan Jones is rolling out this year, addressing symbols and substance to make the campus more inclusive.

The United States is not yet "a truly post-racial society," Jones explained. "Our unique history regarding race provides not only a larger responsibility for providing leadership on race issues, but also a large opportunity — one we should and will embrace."

For example, the school will hold onto its Ole Miss nickname, but only for athletics. Although consultants said fans and alumni generally view it only as a chummy name for their favorite team, "Ole Miss" was what slaves called a plantation owner's wife, and critics say it's too rooted in the past to be used today.
Read it here .. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/2...-and-diversity-mix-as-rebels-play-their-best/

 

[patdog]

BOOM goes the dynamite. Can't wait to see Bruiser's response to that roasting.

 

[fishwater99]

And now you know why Dan Jones was fired...

 

[crushing]

BOOM goes the dynamite. Can't wait to see Bruiser's response to that roasting.

We just had this conversation a few weeks ago and someone brought up all the accurate info just as Buiscuit has done today, and Bruiser still puts out that no one can say for sure where the name comes from. Is he delirious??

 

[aTotal360]

It's the same crutch the people who don't want to change the flag use. U DON'T NO HISTRY!!11!!

 

[patdog]

It's their usual tactic. Just keep repeating a lie even though you know it's a lie. Pretend it's the truth often enough and people will start to believe it.

 

[Thrl595]

Good Lord, Yancy, don't you have a recruiting article to write?

Do you have a job or anything else to do? Or is your sole reason for existence to monitor your rival's board and answer every thread with the Ole Miss spin? It just doesn't make sense.

You have had a good rent-free run for years, but honestly, aren't you tired of defending the school by now? It's such a waste of your time. I mean, look at the posts above. REM101 made a one-sentence joke about the words 'ole miss', and you spent what must have been several minutes carefully crafting a response explaining the Rebel perspective. I don't know exactly what you said, because I didn't read it... I didn't read it because IT DOESN'T MATTER to me, or dare I say, most MSU fans. I COULD NOT CARE LESS what the Rebel perspective is on this -- or any -- topic.

You seem like a smart guy. Go have fun. Quit wasting your life on a State message board trying to make Ole Miss look good. It's not going to work. You're never going to convince anyone over here to tolerate Ole Miss, much less like it, or adopt the Ole Miss way of life.

So why continue this Quixotic venture? Go live life, man. It's not worth all this effort. You have to be tired. I know I'm tired, and I gave up attempting to read your posts long ago.

But as always, thanks for reading**

Sad thing is that there are many more like Yancy - i can think of Hugh "Fatty McGee" Kellenburger for one.

 

[JungRebel]

In this case, "No one knows the history." I have no doubt that Ole Miss will be changed—matter of time. Rebels might be able to stick around, seeing as it's a much more generic term still in common usage.

 

[BossDawg78]

but there is no record anywhere that shows what the name "Ole Miss" actually meant, and you won't find it spelled "ole miss" in documents prior to the use of it in naming the yearbook "The Ole Miss". Many have speculated on its origin, .

As far as why is was chosen as UM's nickname? Is that what you mean? Because there's a plethora of literature out there that confirms "Ole Miss" was indeed a slave term for the wife of a plantation owner.

 

[Shamoan]

 

[Bulldogg31]

I never read that guy's posts. Way too long.

 

[Shamoan]

 

[bulldognation]

DEFEND THE PLANTATION!

 

[thekimmer]

Also there is this account from current mascot selection in 1936....

Please explain 'why' Ole Miss "Welcome to Ole Miss" publication and olemiss.edu website said this for years .. "During this time period, the university became known as "Ole Miss," a moniker used by slaves to describe the wife of the plantation owner."
Read it here .. https://web.archive.org/web/20121102143105/http://www.olemiss.edu/conf/welcometable/whyOM.html



You must have missed this .. "The University of Mississippi wants to stop going by its nickname and improve campus race relations. Students are not happy."

Think you also must have missed the Dan Jones interview ..

The latest initiative is a diversity plan Chancellor Dan Jones is rolling out this year, addressing symbols and substance to make the campus more inclusive.

The United States is not yet "a truly post-racial society," Jones explained. "Our unique history regarding race provides not only a larger responsibility for providing leadership on race issues, but also a large opportunity — one we should and will embrace."

For example, the school will hold onto its Ole Miss nickname, but only for athletics. Although consultants said fans and alumni generally view it only as a chummy name for their favorite team, "Ole Miss" was what slaves called a plantation owner's wife, and critics say it's too rooted in the past to be used today.
Read it here .. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/2...-and-diversity-mix-as-rebels-play-their-best/

"Rebels also won the contest sponsored by the Mississippian, with Ole Massas—a term used by slaves to refer to their masters—finishing a close second" (Wow, even for 1936). It makes zero sense for this to even be on the ballot much less come within an eyelash of winning unless there was a clear understanding as to the origin of the term Ole Miss as described above. So nice try bruiser.