Yeah, I can't imagine how he doesn't see how foolish it looks to say I won't listen to Mitch because it's all lies, but I know the truth. If he really thinks that, then he doesn't live in the real world.
Practice facility back and forth
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Another point. The facility that's already there is getting ready to be renovated. It's already been approved and construction starts in a few months. In fact the teams that use it will not have use of it next year because of construction.
If someone told me I could get a new room built onto my house and it would normally cost 10k but they would provide 8k of it, I’d tell them to build it today.
I would love to see your evidence of these claims.
You do understand it's categorized as a commercial buidling, right? So, again, how is it different?
The idea is to gut memorial and completely redo it. It's still a renovation. WTF did you think Cal was going to want it built?
So tell him to get it secured and we are ready to get rolling.
I have provided the factual detail and plans. You keep making oddly unsubstantiated statements that are factually inaccurate.
If several female sports like Vball, women's bball, women's track and field, women's gymnastics and so forth are all getting brand new facilities, title IV isn't going to be an issue.
If Cal is raising most of the money, the school nor state is going to have issue. It only benefits both.
The permits and licenses are going to be incredibly easy to get because of the fact a practice facility already exists there.
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Irrelevant. Technically they could practice on concrete outside in the sun and still be good. Getting a facility mainly if not completely paid for by former players should be a no brainer. Should be getting it done now before Cal leaves or is fired and the players no longer want to donate.
Sure.
But certainly you don't think that's even close to the same thing. Surely to goodness you don't believe that that's even close to the same thing.
There are more signatures that need to ok it. But it’s a simple way in reply to what the poster said that is could cost a little more then 30 mil. Doesn’t actually matter what it costs, tell him he can build it as long as all the money comes from the donations.
Right. Signatures is it. That's the only difference. Cal can hire the builders, design the building, name it, pick where it goes, get it approved through the university, make sure everything is in line with Title IX requirements, etc ...
All this while the entire process will in all likelihood last longer than the rest of Cal's tenure here before they even broke ground. Just signatures though.
Evidence of what claims?I would love to see your evidence of these claims.
You do understand it's categorized as a commercial buidling, right? So, again, how is it different?
The idea is to gut memorial and completely redo it. It's still a renovation. WTF did you think Cal was going to want it built?
So tell him to get it secured and we are ready to get rolling.
I have provided the factual detail and plans. You keep making oddly unsubstantiated statements that are factually inaccurate.
If several female sports like Vball, women's bball, women's track and field, women's gymnastics and so forth are all getting brand new facilities, title IV isn't going to be an issue.
If Cal is raising most of the money, the school nor state is going to have issue. It only benefits both.
The permits and licenses are going to be incredibly easy to get because of the fact a practice facility already exists there.
Cal doesn't want to gut Memorial. That may be your idea but it isn't his.
What plans have you provided?
Title 9 comes into play if they build a new practice facility just for the men and not the women. That's why the existing facility has a men's court and a women's court.
I haven't seen the plans but Memorial is getting renovated. Does that renovation also make improvements to the existing practice facilities? I really don't know.
In this case, the estimate of the new facility is $70 million and Cal thinks he can raise $30 million. He hasn't raised it yet. That is his estimate of what he thinks he can raise. That money hasn't been donated or pledged. It's what Cal thinks he can do. Obviously these are estimates because they haven't designed the thing or begun planning what they want. If it does cost $70 million, the other $40 million has to be raised from donors. Mitch said he was happy to have a $30 million start, but you can't start the process for that facility until you have more than $30 million of the $70 million needed. $40 million is a lot of money to raise.
You keep claiming all of these things are difficult, time consuming and requirements. You have yet to show anything that proves this to be true.
Why would Cal want to do anything with Memorial? UK basketball uses the Joe Craft center. You do know that, right?
Well, so far I know which arena is which. You haven't even demonstrated that much.
Lol, the women would be getting the same facility upgrades as the men. They both use Craft for practice. So why would title 9 be an issue if they are both getting the same benefit of a new facility?
Memorial renovations isn't going to impact the Joe Craft center. They are built conjoined, but are separate buildings. It may impact electric or something for a few days, but nothing internally. Craft is it's own things and what Cal wants to redo.
I claimed the process takes 18 - 24 months. You haven't shown anything to dispute that.You keep claiming all of these things are difficult, time consuming and requirements. You have yet to show anything that proves this to be true.
Why would Cal want to do anything with Memorial? UK basketball uses the Joe Craft center. You do know that, right?
Well, so far I know which arena is which. You haven't even demonstrated that much.
Lol, the women would be getting the same facility upgrades as the men. They both use Craft for practice. So why would title 9 be an issue if they are both getting the same benefit of a new facility?
Memorial renovations isn't going to impact the Joe Craft center. They are built conjoined, but are separate buildings. It may impact electric or something for a few days, but nothing internally. Craft is it's own things and what Cal wants to redo.
The Craft center and Memorial are conjoined. The Memorial renovation could affect how the Craft center is used or affect certain aspects of the Craft center itself. Mitch said the Memorial renovations will improve both men's and women's basketball facilities. I don't know how because I haven't seen the plans.
Cal doesn't want to renovate the Craft Center. He wants to build a new facility. You keep talking about renovating the existing facility but that's not what Cal is talking about and not what Mitch is talking about.
If the new facility is a men's facility, how are the women getting a new facility?
You haven't shown anything the prove that it will actually take that long if you don't want it to.
One doesn't impact the other. Both have been upgraded and renovated over the years and the other kept right on operating. This just shows your lack of knowledge in what you're talking about.
Where did Mitch say this? please quote!
Women's basketball will benefit because they play games there. Men's will benefit if they ever play games there again, but Men's hasn't been in Memorial for quite a few years.
Yes, Cal does want to completely renovate Craft. Can you please provide evidence where he suggests othwrwise?
They will both be housed in Craft (of it keeps that name) they will continue to have seperate facilities for each team within the center. It will exist as it does now. It's amazing how uninformed you are about this.
Yes, I am uninformed and you are informed even though you admit to not listening to the AD when he talks about what is going on. In fact, you said you don't listen to Mitch or Cal. And yet you know what's going on. If you had listened today maybe you would be informed. I'm not chasing quotes for you. If you want to educate yourself, then have at it.You haven't shown anything the prove that it will actually take that long if you don't want it to.
One doesn't impact the other. Both have been upgraded and renovated over the years and the other kept right on operating. This just shows your lack of knowledge in what you're talking about.
Where did Mitch say this? please quote!
Women's basketball will benefit because they play games there. Men's will benefit if they ever play games there again, but Men's hasn't been in Memorial for quite a few years.
Yes, Cal does want to completely renovate Craft. Can you please provide evidence where he suggests othwrwise?
They will both be housed in Craft (of it keeps that name) they will continue to have seperate facilities for each team within the center. It will exist as it does now. It's amazing how uninformed you are about this.
I don't need to listen to 1 persons version of the story who is inclined to slant that version to benefit him. That's just ignorance personified.
I know people who are internal that have no reason to slant the facts. I listen to and trust them. I also know a lot from personal experience.
You listened today and are about as uninformed as it gets. You don't even know how memorial and craft are constructed or operate.
You won't post them because they don't exist! That's pretty evident.
Like I said, I don’t care what it cost. Tell him to build it with however much money he can get donated. Problem solved.
I know all about how they are constructed. Just because you think otherwise doesn't make it true.
Sure you know people internal to UK's facilities management and they are giving you the straight truth even though it contradicts what's being said by the coach and AD. We all believe that so keep saying it.
Lol, so you were just acting ignorant about it? Lol..okay.
The only person saying what you're running with is Barnhart. But whatever you need to convince yourself of is fine by me.
Since you know people, what's going on with the new track? When will ground break? How long will it take to build? When will the indoor practice facility remove its track and have a full endzone?Lol, so you were just acting ignorant about it? Lol..okay.
The only person saying what you're running with is Barnhart. But whatever you need to convince yourself of is fine by me.
I didn't say anything that wasn't accurate. I said Memorial was being renovated and that renovation might improve the practice facilities. Read that however you want.
I know someone on the inside who said Cal might be able raise $1 billion and construct a new arena with practice facilities in the same building. So all of this will be mute.
Would think they would need to get the indoor track facility well under way or almost complete before they tear into Nutter. Assuming they need the indoor track.
Ya know I have mixed feelings about facilities and the constant drumming of needed facilities. We have on our campus, the finest basketball facility in the country in Memorial Coliseum.
Not in its current configuration and state of disrepair, but in its pre-1976 configuration with a seating capacity of 11,500.
In the pre-1976 configuration, it seats nearly 3,000 more fans than Duke’s Cameron Indoor Stadium. BTW, Cameron is 10 years older than Memorial.
Duke has been very successful with 8,000 seat Cameron hasn’t it?
While there is no argument that the building of Rupp Arena/Lexington Center complex was a key anchor in the rebirth and development of downtown Lexington, UK basketball has always taken a back seat to being able to get in there to practice. It is NOT the home court advantage that Memorial Coliseum was. If you were blessed to witness a game in Memorial Coliseum you know I speak the truth.
We could have had just as a successful program from 1976 to 2015 if we would have stayed in our own facility. Cameron Indoor proved it.
UKAA should be ashamed they allowed the old yellow brick building to become in such pathetic repair.
Not in its current configuration and state of disrepair, but in its pre-1976 configuration with a seating capacity of 11,500.
In the pre-1976 configuration, it seats nearly 3,000 more fans than Duke’s Cameron Indoor Stadium. BTW, Cameron is 10 years older than Memorial.
Duke has been very successful with 8,000 seat Cameron hasn’t it?
While there is no argument that the building of Rupp Arena/Lexington Center complex was a key anchor in the rebirth and development of downtown Lexington, UK basketball has always taken a back seat to being able to get in there to practice. It is NOT the home court advantage that Memorial Coliseum was. If you were blessed to witness a game in Memorial Coliseum you know I speak the truth.
We could have had just as a successful program from 1976 to 2015 if we would have stayed in our own facility. Cameron Indoor proved it.
UKAA should be ashamed they allowed the old yellow brick building to become in such pathetic repair.
They had to reconfigure part of the design for the indoor track, as it went over the proposed budget. They also haven't finalized the designs or completed raising the funds. So, I would imagine they will start sometime after the designs are approved and the money is in place. As far as when it will be completed, usually they have to approve it and start it to have an estimate for when they can complete it. However, that will also depend on the ability to procure the supplies in lieu of the constant shortage and supply chain issues that are particularly prevalent in the construction industry.
Sure you did. You said multiple things. For instance, why would the basketball practice facilities be impacted at all? They aren't the same building that's being upgraded. No one that knew what they were talking about would even ask that.
You chose to believe Barnhart because you're upset with Cal. I get it, man. I really do. The issue is they are both spinning a narrative that supports themselves and their objectives. The truth is in-between. However, in this instance, Barnhart has more reason to lie than Cal. 42 million of them to be accurate.
The fact Title 9 says a non revenue sports has to also have 30m invested into it if you build something for the men’s version is absolute brain dead garbage
Mitch was actually very supportive of Cal. He said nothing negative about Cal at all. Quite the opposite. His story of their discussions about the practice facility supported what Cal has said. He just added more detail. So wrong again.
Who said he wasn't appearing supportive? You realize that was literally my point, right?
You are just reaching at this point, bud. And you don't seem to even have a basic understanding of what you're talking about.
You have inside information no one else has. How can anyone compete with that.Who said he wasn't appearing supportive? You realize that was literally my point, right?
You are just reaching at this point, bud. And you don't seem to even have a basic understanding of what you're talking about.
I actually agree with most of this. Phog Allen is a older building (though much larger) and KU seems to be OK with playing their home games in a ancient (critic's terms) building.
I suspect Memorial could have been enlarged by a few thousand seats over the years to get capacity up some. But, the monkey in the wrench is the loss of revenue that would come with season ticket holders/donors being reduced considerably in a building the size of Memorial.
However, the trend seems to be toward smaller, more intimate, state of the art arena's. Memorial is most definitely not that. But, didn't I read something about a renovation to Memorial being in the works recently? Not sure what the plan is.
https://kykernel.com/25380/news/renovation-of-memorial-coliseum-other-campus-buildings-move-forward/
Yes, this is 2019, and some plans may have changed, but it sounds like there is going to be $30M pumped into the renovation of Memorial. If this is just a renovation, what would a facility that Cal envisions would cost? $75M is my guesstimate.
So the 23-24 Cats who use Memorial are going to need a facility to play games and Rupp is probably the obvious option.
One other small note:
Barnhart said UK’s rent at Rupp is almost $2 million per year. Yikes! What is the ROI on that deal?
Actually an option to Rupp was to knock out the Euclid Avenue (Ave. of Champions) end of the Coliseum and build out over Euclid Avenue. Euclid Avenue was/is on the state road system so the alternative was eliminated because KyDOT said they would building into state highway air space. That was a convenient excuse I always thought because they had already made a commitment to be part of downtown redevelopment. I think they projected about 3500 to 4,000 more seats on top of 11,500. I actually feel sorry for BBN that never got to see a game there. Perfect sight lines, perfect shooting background, perfect acoustics, perfect lighting. It was the best.
I feel fortunate enough to have seen a couple of B/W games during the Tubby years.
There was always a high expectation to see the roster up close and i always wanted them to return to Memorial for a game or 2 a year.
Volleyball has also been exciting to watch the past few years and offers a great match experience.
Excited to see how the renovation improves the experience.
There was always a high expectation to see the roster up close and i always wanted them to return to Memorial for a game or 2 a year.
Volleyball has also been exciting to watch the past few years and offers a great match experience.
Excited to see how the renovation improves the experience.
Biggest problem that I see is the construction company and facilities department at UK that couldn't take care of a brand new building that is what(?), less than 20 yrs old? I mean wtf? I'm not sure what the deal is up there but somebody needs to figure out why its in disrepair in the first place. seriously.
My first thought was it’s a deflection piece.
Also, while I really know nothing about all the building and additions it seems logical to me that it’s not just a matter of “here’s some money”
I don’t like Mitch anymore than anyone else does but I’m sure it wasn’t a no such luck for you response as it was an explanation of the process
Jumping at pledges for part of the total cost. Man it’s easy to manipulate some people.
How is it manipulation if you tell him to get the money and then he can build it?
