Power Points System

[nenebskers]

In the class D1 playoffs local rivals Howells Dodge and Guardian Angels face off in the first round. HD is 6-2 and #10 seed. GACC is 3-4 and #7 seed. Howells Dodge beat GACC 36-16 in the regular season.

In addition to their head to head meeting they also had 3 common opponents.
Stanton vs GACC - lost 22-60
Stanton vs HD - lost 36-42

Clarkson Leigh vs GACC - won 36-30
Clarkson Leigh vs HD - won 44-0

Madison vs GACC - won 38-16
Madison vs HD - won 42-0

I'm guessing the whole power points system still has some flaws to be worked out?

 

[loveD2football]

Do you have a better solution? Falls City is the #1 seed and lost to the #2 BDS. Also if you do speak to your local AD about getting a change.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

In the class D1 playoffs local rivals Howells Dodge and Guardian Angels face off in the first round. HD is 6-2 and #10 seed. GACC is 3-4 and #7 seed. Howells Dodge beat GACC 36-16 in the regular season.

In addition to their head to head meeting they also had 3 common opponents.
Stanton vs GACC - lost 22-60
Stanton vs HD - lost 36-42

Clarkson Leigh vs GACC - won 36-30
Clarkson Leigh vs HD - won 44-0

Madison vs GACC - won 38-16
Madison vs HD - won 42-0

I'm guessing the whole power points system still has some flaws to be worked out?

Understand your complaint but the problem is that Howells dodge has not beat a team with a winning record and thats a killer when it comes to your points, weak schedule can really bite you

 

[Huskers783]

Falls City Sacred Heart got bonus points for beating 2 D1 teams in HTRS & Lourdes.
Both GACC and FCSH got 50 points for beating Lourdes as a division 1 opponent, which is one of the dividing factors here.
I think if we get into allowing point differentials to determine power points, we will see a lot of teams running up the score vs. lesser opponents and risking injury in the meantime. I don't think this is what you were suggesting, just adding that to my post for conversation.
Class A & B added an additional division to help with the power point issue - might be worth checking to see if that is working for them

 

[coachlanum]

The point system this year is also out of wack because not everyone played the same number of games. If you look down the list in D-1 you'll see that JCC at 1-5 is ahead of Perkins County at 4-4. No playoff implications here but a good example of how the points really get skewed when teams don't play the same number of games.

 

[nenebskers]

Falls City Sacred Heart got bonus points for beating 2 D1 teams in HTRS & Lourdes.
Both GACC and FCSH got 50 points for beating Lourdes as a division 1 opponent, which is one of the dividing factors here.
I think if we get into allowing point differentials to determine power points, we will see a lot of teams running up the score vs. lesser opponents and risking injury in the meantime. I don't think this is what you were suggesting, just adding that to my post for conversation.
Class A & B added an additional division to help with the power point issue - might be worth checking to see if that is working for them

Correct, not saying point differential should be used just pointing out that on paper, and on the field based on head to head performance, one team is clearly better and the seedings are off.

Someone earlier brought up what's my solution. Dunno, this is a message board so I'm just trying to create discussion. I guess the one thing I'd suggest an extended regular season to 9 even 10 games. 10 games will obviously never happen. The more games the more the cream rises to the top.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

The point system this year is also out of wack because not everyone played the same number of games. If you look down the list in D-1 you'll see that JCC at 1-5 is ahead of Perkins County at 4-4. No playoff implications here but a good example of how the points really get skewed when teams don't play the same number of games.

Agree 100% with that

 

[ReasonableThinkerQuestionMark]

In many cases, in 8-man especially, point margins can be very misleading. Points can come pretty fast. I've seen a lot of blowouts look closer than it was because of points scored at the end vs. JVs. I've also seen pretty close games turn into blowouts because of some miscues at the end.

 

[atlanta_ace]

Biggest issue with 8-man point system is they only use three tiers for 8-game schedule. Win 6-8 is 50 points, win 3-5 it's 45 and win 0-2 it's 40. Then losses are too close in points to wins 38, 33, 30. They need to go to the % system like every other sport and create more spread for wins and losses. If they did, it'd look like this.

beat a team with 7 wins 50; 5 or 6 to 47; 3 or 4 to 44, 2 or less it's 41. Then losses are 37, 34, 31, 28.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

Biggest issue with 8-man point system is they only use three tiers for 8-game schedule. Win 6-8 is 50 points, win 3-5 it's 45 and win 0-2 it's 40. Then losses are too close in points to wins 38, 33, 30. They need to go to the % system like every other sport and create more spread for wins and losses. If they did, it'd look like this.

beat a team with 7 wins 50; 5 or 6 to 47; 3 or 4 to 44, 2 or less it's 41. Then losses are 37, 34, 31, 28.

I agree and has been discussed for years but 8-man refuses to change this

 

[Big Red Thoughts]

You can’t control who u play and sometimes teams are victimized by a weak schedule and u have to beat maybe the one division 1 opponent to get points. HD first several wins were against winless teams and they lost to toughest opponent, also GACC and Clarkson would have been better wins in recent years, HD beat a banged up CL and GACC played a brutal schedule and better than record

 

[jonh142881_anon]

The points system for all NSAA sports are the same. Football is different. It got changed secretly a few years back and it rewards playing a soft schedule, and penalizes teams for playing tough competition. You can play bad teams and end up getting a top seed, but if you play the top teams and lose you are penalized greatly. We need to go to the same point system as basketball, softball, EVERYONE ELSE.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

The points system for all NSAA sports are the same. Football is different. It got changed secretly a few years back and it rewards playing a soft schedule, and penalizes teams for playing tough competition. You can play bad teams and end up getting a top seed, but if you play the top teams and lose you are penalized greatly. We need to go to the same point system as basketball, softball, EVERYONE ELSE.

Secretly LOL. nothing is change without the vote of the school and in this case the 8-man schools

 

[hdendzonecam]

There is no reason to have different point systems for different sports. It doesn't matter how many games you play. Its an issue of competition level regardless of what sport you are playing or how many players are involved. This is basketball (what football used to use) WIN 50 47 44 41 LOSS 39 36 33 30
Football kept the WIN totals, but changed the LOSS totals?!? Why? Now the LOSS points are: 27 30 33 36
It needs to be changed back. They are getting teams with inflated points into high seeds and its not working out well.

 

[hdendzonecam]

The football playoff points were changed without a vote from schools.

 

[TC53]

Changing the number of points and the number or position of the levels is really just moving the pieces around not really making big improvements. Big improvements would mean making the formula more complicated mathematically but would include several factors that are obviously important in evaluating the relative strength of teams: records not just of opponents, but of opponents of opponents; site of the game (home/road/neutral); timing of game (games the last two weeks tell us more about the strength of a team this week than the first two games of the season). There is no movement to add any of these factors that I know of.