Pounders decommits.....
- Thread starter Russ Wheeler
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The major boosters aren’t any of those things. There just aren’t enough of them.
Well, if you can't understand the difference between a probation based on multiple Level 1 RECRUITING violations involving boosters and even members of the coaching staff working to entice prospects and a probation based on a student tutor who was willing, for money paid by the athletes themselves, to do coursework for multiple student athletes who were already on the team then there is really no reason to even try to have a serious conversation with you on this topic.
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Buy a red backpack, fill it with your cash contribution, attend a high school football game featuring the recruit you wish to contribute to, hang around after the game and give him said backpack along with a handshake/bro hug and say Hail State into his ear. ***
If you have any additional questions on the proper way, PM Yancy on Twitter.
this crap is why I really don't get concerned about recruiting.....wake me up when they sign and actually get on campus...
Like dawg student said. Pony up. Couple or several hundred dollars a year goes far if 100 people give.
I understand that you think recruiting violations are worse because they happened at Ole Miss most recently and academic fraud is not as bad because it happened at MSU. It's the normal pissing match that rival fan bases get in. I could bring up the fact that State had recruiting violations not too long ago, but you'll point out that that was a long time ago under different coaching staffs while ignoring the fact that the same is true at Ole Miss. Both schools are two of the most penalized schools in NCAA history. Some of that is because we've been easy targets for the NCAA and aren't blue bloods, and some of it is because we have historically been on the lower end of the SEC totem pole and both schools have low sports self-esteem. Either way, it's rich when either schools take the moral high ground over the other. But, it's your board, so by all means carry on... I won't interject any more.
And just when folks think you couldn’t possibly be any more clueless about college football recruiting, you come out with this gem.
Newsflash for you.....EVERYBODY gets paid early. You really think players are making their short lists and deciding where to visit just based on promises? It’s no different than buying a house, you have to put down some earnest money to let the seller know your offer is for real and you aren’t going to leave them high and dry. Albert Means....Leo Lewis....Will Redmond...just countless examples of players and their handlers getting money on the front end. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg....what is known publicly from untied loose ends that led to issues. Guys get paid to set up official visits. They get paid again when they show up for visits. They sometimes get paid again right before signing day and then they get paid afterwards according to whatever arrangement gets worked out. This is the case everywhere.
How much gets paid early varies from case to case, but for a player at the most important position on the field of Cam’s caliber with multiple SEC West offers, it was always going to be a lot, the exact amount being equal to whatever the hell they asked for, honestly. That’s the difference between MSU and the advantaged schools....Auburn has literally dozens of guys that have both the capacity and the willingness to shell out the $180k on the front end if requested, even if its just a blatant cash grab. If they paid him and he still signed with MSU, their reaction would have been “oh well, we’ll sweeten the pot a little more next time”. But if the reverse of that happened, it would have been catastrophic for us because it would be dead money that could have been used elsewhere.
You may also say that its ridiculous to pay the entire sum up front. In Cam’s case, $180k was absolute chump change....was at most half (and probably was significantly less than half) of the total payout he got just for the one year. It was just daddy’s cut....nothing more.
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Thanks, I wasn't sure what color backpack to get. Yancy hasn't responded, as I am still blocked.
Should I follow them into the bathroom or is that doing to much? **
You could always do it like coach34's bro that tried to be bigtime a few years ago with Will Redmond
I'm not in the "club" but I am sure that won't always be the case. but the "club" needs a better vision and leadership.
if you were so worried about daniels flipping it sounds like you ain't in it either
That's right, $150k not $200k but it proves it goes on
And it makes you wonder how much corruption and point shaving takes place. A lot of money is changing hands each weekend!
And it makes you wonder how much corruption and point shaving takes place. A lot of money is changing hands each weekend!
We did not get outbid like normal. All we had to do was match Auburn (or supposedly even pay a little bit less although no way to verify that that I know of). We just backed off after they left a voicemail with a booster they'd never met or talked to.
I'd like to think we would have figured out a way to make it happen if Cecil and their street agent hadn't been so damn stupid, but I really don't know. I'm guessing Mullen would have shot it down regardless at that point if they had asked him if he wanted them to do it.
If we backed off and didn’t pay, we absolutely did “get outbid like normal”, it doesn’t really matter the reason.. Similar thing happened with AJ Brown, except we backed out much earlier in the process. If the two situations were hands of Texas Hold ‘em, Cam was us folding after a big bet from Auburn after the river card, AJ would have been us folding after two big bets on the pocket cards before the flop. We made it “farther” on one than the other, but we folded both times when it was time to **** or get off the pot.
I don't think you know what normal is. Outbid like normal is we don't want to pay the price because our pockets aren't as deep. It's not that boosters have a parent and street agent go around leaving voice mails with incriminating evidence. The price tag didn't end the discussion. It was the fact that they left a voicemail with somebody they had never met and nobody knew how many other voicemails they were leaving.
I don't know any details of what happened with AJ so that may have just been outbid like normal.
I don’t for one second believe that we walked away from the #1 overall NFL pick, Heisman trophy winner, and most perfect fit for a Dan Mullen offense that has ever existed on this planet just because we were scared of a little NCAA heat due to shady voicemails.
The reality is we knew that Cecil’s voicemails meant that Auburn had offered that already, and once we knew they were that vested, it was over. You have to remember the context and climate we are talking about. Auburn had just watched Alabama go 26-1 or something over 2 seasons and win a natty within 3 years of hiring Saban. All this right on the heels Of Auburn having their long winning streak over Bama snapped, and them failing to win a title of their own during the Tuberville peak of the early to mid-2000’s. All this is happening, and they have the likes of Kodi Burns, Barrett Trotter, and Clint Mosely in their QB room. They were desperate as they could be. If we met the $180k request, they were going to go up to $250k. Or $300k. Or whatever it took. We knew it...and we couldn’t compete with their bankroll.
When all things are equal, it comes back to what program can help get them the result they want. They chose Auburn. Deal with it. We didn't walk away. We just knew what was going on.
Newton's recruitment is no different than any other. The only reason it got publicized it because Alabama got pissed when they realized they'd probably lose to them. So they sought out our guys to spill the beans and take the heat for the sour grapes, and of course, we fell for it.
And we might have been outbid that way had we not backed off because of how reckless Cecil was being. But we didn't get to that point because leaving incriminating voicemails with random boosters is not how recruiting big prospects is normally handled. You think if Laremy Tunsil had left a voicemail with random UGA boosters asking them to match that UGA woudn't have turned those over the NCAA?
Auburn is Auburn, so they may have just said 17 it and rolled the dice in hopes that the SEC would protect them. Or they may have had normal interactions with handlers for Cam and had no clue they'd be dumb enough to leave voicemails with random boosters at other schools. But we weren't going to take that risk and we shouldn't have. We very likely wouldn't have been given the same protection Auburn got. Had Auburn not been the SEC's likely representative in the championship game, I think they would have been screwed because even though Auburn gets preferential treatment compared to MSU, Ole Miss, Arkansas, etc., they are not on the Bama, UGA, LSU level.
What were you, about 14 years old during the Newton recruitment? I wouldn't expect you to know anyone who had the facts.
Sorry Budaw but I agree with Russ on this one. Auburn is the most penalized program in the NCAA simply because Alabama is their rival. Alabama will turn anyone, anytime to get an advantage. Interesting that Ole Miss was turned in shortly after beating Bama twice in a row.
I’m not arguing that it’s not a risk. But just about every high level recruit has a boisterous, idiotic, parent / uncle / cousin / etc. that will tell everybody what they got afterwards even if there’s no documented solicitation beforehand. It’s just part of recruiting. In the case of the voicemail, that was never enough proof to implicate the school that did sign him because it would only come from the one who didn’t. The only proof that could ever come out would be if Cecil or our own boosters squealed after signing him.
I think if Tunsil’s mom or dad were calling random UGA and OM boosters requesting payment, OM still would have continued business as usual, still would have paid whoever, still would have signed him, and still would have gotten away with it. This is not really a great example because UGA went whining to the NCAA anyway, even without all that going on, and nothing happened (even with him literally admitting to coaches paying him on national TV).
No question about it. That’s exactly what they did. And that’s what every bigtime SEC program always does no matter the situation when it comes down to landing or losing a literal national title winning player.
We were in the hunt for far too long to say we weren’t willing to take the risk. There were Auburn insiders even on the night before signing day that thought he was ours. But once the late money came in it changed everything.
A lot of baseless speculation there. The SEC was going to protect anyone that had a shot at the BCS, no matter what. Had nothing to do with the name on the jersey. It’s impossible to know what the alternate landscape would have been with Cam at MSU. But surely you remember the public reprimand we got from the league office for going around the league protocols for NCAA issues within the conference. We certainly got the exact opposite of preferential treatment for trying to play it straight and do the “right” thing.
****.....I wish. My MSU athletic experience as a student would have been WAY better.
Keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better though, Tammy.
Make that two of us. I was in the thick of it when Sherrill was coach and sat at a signing party of 5 and 4 stars that ended up destroying our program.
I like highly rated recruits but I don't trust the rating system completely. I'd rather have a class of 3 and 4 stars with a strong work ethic who are bought into the coach's system and the MSU family. Keep the head cases off campus.
I like highly rated recruits but I don't trust the rating system completely. I'd rather have a class of 3 and 4 stars with a strong work ethic who are bought into the coach's system and the MSU family. Keep the head cases off campus.
Not telling myself, I'm telling you.
How would saying what I said earlier, make me feel better about myself? Seems like if I wanted to cry and make myself feel better, I'd adopt your false viewpoint (wE gOt OuTbIdZ !!111 cheateRS11!!).
I'm just trying to help you out. Sooner you let go of that delusion, the better off you'll be. I get it, it's tougher for the younger generation, but ya'll need to come to your senses so you'll understand what MSU really has to do to compete. We've got to get truly lucky to get a guy like Cam, not as simple as money, never is.
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Calipari and Saban handle them or eject them
That is where our coaches failed. Stansbury should have gotten rid of Sidney. Jackie should have gotten rid of several players including Dontae Walker. If you are weak on rules or discipline with any group of players 5, 4, 3 or below they will run over you and take over the program. We just saw it happen with our last football coach.
That is where our coaches failed. Stansbury should have gotten rid of Sidney. Jackie should have gotten rid of several players including Dontae Walker. If you are weak on rules or discipline with any group of players 5, 4, 3 or below they will run over you and take over the program. We just saw it happen with our last football coach.
If UGA wants a player the parents don't have to call them. They will get the call. That is why Cam's dad was wreckless. The NCAA even distanced themselves from him. Cecil was a lose cannon.