Pretty weak comeback. Our current probation has ZERO to do with recruiting violations which is the discussion here. Boosters have nothing to do with a few student athletes who decide to cheat in a class. Yea, we do all live in glass houses but the OM recruiting network is probably the worst offenders in the entire SEC which is really saying something. To a lot of the big time OM boosters recruiting rankings are way more important that actual football rankings. MSU really doesn't even try to play the game at the same level though sometimes I wish we would try to do more. OM probation has slowed things down the last couple of years but that is stating to fade especially in state where there isn't nearly as much risk in pushing the envelope. If Freeze and company hadn't gone national with their shenanigans and offended some big time players OM would have never been investigated. NCAA could not care less what happens in MS recruiting between OM and MSU.
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Pretty weak comeback. Our current probation has ZERO to do with recruiting violations which is the discussion here. Boosters have nothing to do with a few student athletes who decide to cheat in a class. Yea, we do all live in glass houses but the OM recruiting network is probably the worst offenders in the entire SEC which is really saying something. To a lot of the big time OM boosters recruiting rankings are way more important that actual football rankings. MSU really doesn't even try to play the game at the same level though sometimes I wish we would try to do more. OM probation has slowed things down the last couple of years but that is stating to fade especially in state where there isn't nearly as much risk in pushing the envelope. If Freeze and company hadn't gone national with their shenanigans and offended some big time players OM would have never been investigated. NCAA could not care less what happens in MS recruiting between OM and MSU.
We do a really good job of playing down a guy once we lose them even though we've apparently wanted them for months.
Alabama booster gave $200,000 to a Memphis coach to sign a player and that was years ago (that didn't include the money they gave momma)! If we don't have more than $10,000 to give then we are not going to land the 4 and 5 star recruits!
Or.... State just doesn't have as many cigar boys as other sec schools and the money runs out once you get to 3* linemen.
I'd place a bet on State having fewer cigar boys than any sec school not named Vandy.
I agree with you rebel. Folks here got upset when we lost Cam Newton to Auburn. Cam told Mullen it was simply a "business decision". Obviously, we were outbid for his services at $180k. However, our fans continue to believe we had a shot at him simply because Mullen was our coach. Ha ha! How naive can you be to think that college football does not have boosters that pay players to come to their university????
How clueless can you be, seriously?
Let me explain to you how this works. You have to be willing to pony up for those big time prospects JUST TO GET IN THE GAME. At that point, things then get back to true recruiting (fit, path to the NFL, playing time, etc.). Cam saw a senior laden OL, and an overall better team (to the naked eye), at Auburn, plus it was closer to home. And that was that. Matter of fact, we were getting a break because Mullen had the relationship already. And honestly, we'll never know how much Auburn gave them, because they were perceived as the big boy school who could most likely get Cam to the league.
All that said.....Pounders isn't near the level of a Cam and probably doesn't command much money at all.
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how far did you travel to gain this type of knowledge? 2000 years?! 2000 feet!?
utterly ground breaking , Henry.
We are talking about a 3 star offensive lineman. A 3 star lineman. We will simply replace him and go on about our business.
$10,000 just from me and I’m not a big wig. I’m in the middle. Obviously it’s a team effort.
I wouldn't waste too much effort on this guy. About a 99% chance that 164 post PirateDawg is actually PirateRebel.
That’s fair, and there’s no doubt that some kids get paid. I don’t think it’s as bad as many make it out to be, though. Especially with kids like Pounders. He will get some perks throughout his recruitment, from both teams, I’m sure (maybe not as much this year though because of no face to face contact), but they aren’t getting bags of cash.
I disagree that you’re not good at it. I think you just tend to remember the ones that don’t go your way more. It’s the nature of all fans. State is currently winning its fair share of battles - MJ Daniels, Albert Reese, teddy knox, Malik nabors, sawyer Robertson. You may very well sign John Lewis. We will split the kids we both want, like most years. Rinse, wash, repeat.
I also think Reese is more of a plug and play OL. Particularly in the Air Raid. He’s a good looking prospect.
Oh ok, my bad. So your probation is a better probation. Got ya.
Ole Miss cheats. Absolutely. We get hammered when we get caught too. Same as MSU. The Alabama’s and LSU’s and Auburn’s? Not so much. But, sure, blame Ole Miss. What you’re basically saying is “Ole Miss didn’t know their place.” And that’s cool. You’re right. If MSU wants to know their place and continue to remain Alabama and others punching bags, then more power to you. It’s a noble pursuit. If Ole Miss decides to take some gambles and forget their place, I’m ok with that, too. It will lead to some lows, but those highs will be fun.
But, if you think Ole Miss is cheating to land Makylan Pounders, you have a right to think that. But then when State lands a higher ranked player and you assume that he just came to State out of the kindness in his heart and desire to be a Dog, then I have a right to think you’re irrational and blinded by fandom. Based on a lot of the comments that I’ve seen the school of thought is basically - “why don’t we cheat more?!? We’ve got to play the game!!” and then also - “Ole Miss cheats and is morally bankrupt and I would never want to be like them!”
I realize this is an MSU message board, and it’s got a ton of good posters and funny guys on it. You’ve all been good to me. But it’s just amazing the emotional gymnastics that a large portion of both fanbases can play to convince themselves of stuff.
Ole Miss cheats sometimes. I can admit that. By admitting that I also admit I have no moral high ground if State cheats. I can laugh, if you get caught. But I can’t beat my chest as being morally superior. At least not if I want to be taken seriously by reasonable adults.
Nah, we pretty much just got outbid. Just like we always will when it comes down to any player that any other big time SEC school decides to make one of the centerpieces of their class. You think Treadwell, Tunsil, Conner, Massie, Brown, etc. looked at Ole Miss as the best fit and best path to the NFL over all other schools in the country? That’s just not how it works. It’s always a “business decision” unless you have two similarly equipped schools going against each other for a player, like Bama vs. LSU or MSU vs. OM. And a lot of times it still is even in those cases.
If you really think Cecil 17ing Newton was closely studying things like combined starts on the OL and driving proximity of Starkville vs. Auburn, I really don’t know what to tell you.
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Thank you! This is my point, as you’ll see in a long winded post above this. It’s irrational the things that fans say. And I get it’s a message board, but it’s obvious that a lot of fans actually BELIEVE these things. I’m a member of the OMSpirit board and it’s just as bad. It’s not an MSU thing. It just happens to be y’all I interact with, so I’m not trying to single MSU out.
I guarantee you that when Buckhalter de-committed from Ole Miss that a ton of OM fans claimed all kinds of stupid things and accusations towards MSU. Those same fans will be celebrating his commitment back to Ole Miss today. I point those same things out there, too.
If Ty Cooper or John Lewis signs with Ole Miss there will be a ton of posters here allege recruiting improprieties, but if they sign with MSU it’ll be because of how great a job the staff did and the kid wants to be a Dog. It’s so stupid.
I only care about the kids enrolled at State and dressed out on game day Saturday’s. Rispek my desishun
No, it's totally believable. It's what they live for. They exist for **** like this that makes them feel like a hero for a week, but with very few exceptions, in the grand scheme of things doesn't mean ****.
If you any more than vaguely remember the name Pounders in 3 years, you are either (a) an Ole Miss fan; or (b) pay too much attention to them. Which is, after all, what they want.
If you any more than vaguely remember the name Pounders in 3 years, you are either (a) an Ole Miss fan; or (b) pay too much attention to them. Which is, after all, what they want.
Hmm, we came the closest to beating Auburn that year and would have with him as our QB. Auburn also lost every SEC game the following year - I believe it was a double secret probation by the SEC and NCAA to not make a public spectacle of what happened. Good players will make it to the NFL regardless of where they play. State puts our fair share of players into the NFL so that didn't matter. Dak was up for the heismann when we were ranked #1 so that doesn't matter either. Had he beaten Alabama he probably would have stayed in the running but we all know what happened there.
So maybe I'm not the clueless one. I do agree that Pounders is at a much lower pay grade.
So maybe I'm not the clueless one. I do agree that Pounders is at a much lower pay grade.
LOL. Please tell us more about how we actually DID pay $180,000 for Cam, yet still didn’t get him. You won’t, of course, because you know you’re full of ****.
You're mistaken on a number of things here:
You're correct that we might have had a better team - after the fact. But we could also say that we lost to LSU and Alabama that year in blowouts, so who really knows. But yeah I tend to agree that the teams were comparable outside Cam. HOWEVER....that's not how it was viewed at that point in time, between the 2009 and 2010 seasons. Auburn was viewed as ahead of us in every form imaginable when it comes to football. That's just a fact.
A little black helicopter there. Had we not started talking this may have never been an issue.
This is mostly true, however another unfortunate fact is that recruits just don't see it that way. And at that time, there was no Dak, we had no real QB success of note in our history. Recruits at that time saw Auburn > Mississippi State, they saw Auburn as a program that could legitimately win an SEC/national title.
No he isn't. You are. You just went on a tirade about how Auburn gave him a better shot at NC and NFL and they got him and everyone knows they paid his daddy $180K so if we were going to get him we either had to match or exceed. You claim you know what happened so Go Budlaw called you on it and now you claim insanity? We will wait on your insider information.
Yeah, that's not what happened, and that's not what I said. I've already told you two clowns what happened.
I know there was no Dak at that time but their was a Mullen who had placed several QBs into the NFL with his mentoring. That trumps any past QB situation. Cam know Mullen would get him to the NFL so I would call that a push at best.
Logan Young, the booster, paid Albert Means $150K, and would up being murdered for his efforts. As I recall, Means wound up playing at Memphis State. If you play with fire you very will could be burned.
I would say that spending 10K on nearly anything meaningful in life other than buying recruits is the exact opposite of losing.
Hilarious. Here is you saying that Cam chose Auburn for a bunch of reasons unrelated to money and that you have to “pay just to get in the game”. Its already known that Auburn paid him, his 17ing Dad admitted to it in case you forgot that little detail. So either we didn’t pay (which means we got outbid), we paid but didn’t match Auburn (which means we got outbid), or we paid the same $180k as Auburn or more, but he chose them anyway. So, which is it?
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SMH. It's really easy to spot people like you who don't realize what truly goes on.
Here's the lowdown for you. Mullen has relationship with Cam. He would probably go there, except you've got some more traditional powers recruiting him, Oklahoma and Tennessee. Now money is involved. If you want Cam, you have to pay. Due to the relationship, MSU gets a discount (from 200K to 180K). This is basic stuff. We're going to pay him. We have him almost committed. Enter Auburn. We will never know how much or if they paid, but I'm sure they did - at least something. These are the facts. It's unfortunate, they have a PERCEIVED better situation. It's done at that point. As far as the proof, the only thing that's fact is that Cecil asked us for the original 180K, then some weird **** happened with us.
Since you obviously didn't get it when I first explained it, nobody gets paid early. Nobody actually pays just to get in the game. You have to be WILLING to pay to get in the game (read better next time). If you're not offering money to the big recruits, you're not even on the short list.
So to sum it up, Cam chose Auburn for the reasons any big time recruit chooses them over us. The money was there from everybody (had he signed, genius). What sucked so bad was that we thought we had him for so long, and actually had Oklahoma and Tennessee beat.
I hope that was clear enough for you. That's how **** works in the real world. It's not ALL about the money unless all other things are equal. This is normal recruiting. I'm not talking about crazy stuff outside the norm like SMU and Ole Miss' little network they had going for a few years.
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