Possible side effect of OU/Texas SEC jump...

Dawgg

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Our 2028/2029 series with Texas Tech is set to fulfill the SEC's Power 5 OOC requirement.

If the Big 12 collapses (or loses its "Power Conference" distinction) before 2028 and Texas Tech doesn't get taken by a remaining Power conference, would that game still satisfy our requirement or would we need to schedule an additional Pac-12(14? 16?), Big Ten, or ACC opponent for 2028/2029?

For reference, after NC State this year, our future Power 5 OOC series are:
Arizona - Pac 12
Arizona State - Pac 12
Minnesota - Big Ten
Texas Tech - Big 12
Washington State - Pac 12

Oddly enough... Alabama already has another Power 5 OOC lined up during the same years as their Big 12 opponents:
2026 West Virginia - Florida State
2027 West Virginia - Ohio State
2028 Oklahoma State - Ohio State
2029 Oklahoma State - Notre Dame

They also had a 2032/2033 series with OU, who will be in the SEC by then and they have Arizona in place those years as well.
 

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I think the SEC will go to at least a 9 game schedule, in which this requirement should go away. If not, exceptions were made early on and I assume will and can be done in this case. Nothing to worry about.
 

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People on message boards have been saying a 9-game SEC is imminent for well over a decade now, and it's never even come close to being voted in. I do think it's more possible than ever with the 16-team league, but even then I'd put the odds no better than 50-50. I don't think the OOC scheduling requirement is going anywhere, whether the SEC schedule is 8 games or 9. Heck, even if it went away tomorrow, we're still contracted to those game through 2031 anyway. I do agree the SEC will work with us if Texas Tech loses P5 status.
 

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My prediction is that we are going to a 9-game schedule, the power 5 opponent scheduling requirement stays, and the SEC successfully lobbies the NCAA or bowls or whoever controls it to drop the bowl qualification to 5-7. If the lower level bowls even exist at this point, which isn’t a given in all honesty. The market forces of college football are driving towards more matchups that are interesting instead of more Auburn vs Abilene Christian.

I think the SEC will go to at least a 9 game schedule, in which this requirement should go away. If not, exceptions were made early on and I assume will and can be done in this case. Nothing to worry about.
 

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This is a non-issue. We got approval for BYU being a Power 5 opponent already…which is borderline laughable. Texas Tech will certainly still meet whatever the criteria needs to be to qualify. And they’ll probably be in the PAC 12 if the Big 12 collapses.
 

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People on message boards have been saying a 9-game SEC is imminent for well over a decade now, and it's never even come close to being voted in. I do think it's more possible than ever with the 16-team league, but even then I'd put the odds no better than 50-50. I don't think the OOC scheduling requirement is going anywhere, whether the SEC schedule is 8 games or 9. Heck, even if it went away tomorrow, we're still contracted to those game through 2031 anyway. I do agree the SEC will work with us if Texas Tech loses P5 status.

The 9-game schedule is 100% happening. The only thing that is 50/50 is whether the P5 requirement will be kept. I think it will be, and I also think the impetus behind that will be the NCAA ditching the 6-win requirement for bowl games.
 

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Good overview of OOC Power 5! The real question is when will OU and Texas join the SEC. Some are saying next year while the schedule says 2025. I agree that we will be going to a 9 game SEC schedule as soon as that happens. My bet is they eliminate the power 5 OOC games with the new SEC game.
 

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You definitely don't know that. It's not 100% happening. But there's a decent chance it will, which is a much higher chance than there's ever been.
 

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Why in the name of Hugh17nFreezus would the SEC play a 9 game schedule? If we beat up on each other too much we'll only get 2 maybe three teams in a 12 team playoff and then SEC teams risk being too beat up to run through a potential 4 game championship series.

8 games guarantees us 4 to 5 playoff teams. Hell, maybe even 6, and a buttload of revenue.

Come on, guys. Think.... THINK!
 
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Go Budaw

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You definitely don't know that. It's not 100% happening. But there's a decent chance it will, which is a much higher chance than there's ever been.

I do know that because it’s common sense. The additions of Texas and OU only adds about $8-$10 million per school if you don’t increase the number of games played. The SEC isn’t going to go to 16 teams to only have teams playing against half of the other teams in the conference, and also only increase the budget of most schools by < 10%
 
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I think the SEC will go to at least a 9 game schedule, in which this requirement should go away. If not, exceptions were made early on and I assume will and can be done in this case. Nothing to worry about.

Nine games, four pods of four. Book it as done.
 

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Your common sense isn't very good. It's the same "common sense" people have been pushing for years. But it's wrong. Going to a 9-game schedule actually decreases the number of games played (although if you keep the P5 OOC requirement it does increase the quality by eliminating 16 mostly non-P5 OOC games and replacing them with 8 SEC games). And you're significantly underestimating the economic impact of adding TX & OU even with an 8-game schedule. This is much bigger than the past two expansions combined.
 

patdog

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Like I said earlier, people have been saying a 9-game schedule is a done deal for a long long time. There's good reasons it's never happened, and there's good reasons it may not happen now.
 

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If they drop back to 5 wins qualifying for a bowl a lot of the crowds at the "minor" bowls will look like the Tokyo Olympics.**
 

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Bowl games dont need crowds. They just need teams they can force to buy tickets, a sponsor and a tv contract. And the tv contract and sponsor will be easier to get it if they can pair 5-7 Arkansas against 5-7 michigan st instead of Toledo and Nevada.
 
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Like I said earlier, people have been saying a 9-game schedule is a done deal for a long long time. There's good reasons it's never happened, and there's good reasons it may not happen now.

It's largely going to depend on what happens with the playoffs. Can't remember which ones, but I think there was some tweeting a few weeks ago about a major schools AD or president saying the realignment was a reason to put playoff expansion on hold for a while. I think they realized if there is no playoff expansion, the SEC beating each other up may make it harder for them to get two teams in.

But ignoring that, I can't see the SEC wanting to sign up for 9 SEC games plus a P5 game. Lot of risk there. Maybe the buyout for those further out series aren't that high and we could drop the P5 requirement and go to a 9 game schedule in 2025 without the buyouts being too painful.
 

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I do know that because it’s common sense. The additions of Texas and OU only adds about $8-$10 million per school if you don’t increase the number of games played. The SEC isn’t going to go to 16 teams to only have teams playing against half of the other teams in the conference, and also only increase the budget of most schools by < 10%

While I do think a 9 game schedule makes more sense, how does it generate more revenue for the teams? Is ESPN/ABC obligated to pay more money if they have to stick more conference matchups onto the SEC Alternate channel every week?

You cannot be 100% sure this will happen. Everything is on the table right now, and 9 games seems to be the best way to address a lot of problems. But you are also adding an extra road game to everyone's schedule every other year, which was part of the reason the 7 game schedule never really worked. You are free to remain confident it will happen, but 100% surety is not possible right now.
 

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The 9-game schedule is 100% happening. The only thing that is 50/50 is whether the P5 requirement will be kept. I think it will be, and I also think the impetus behind that will be the NCAA ditching the 6-win requirement for bowl games.

I'm not a fan of 5 road/4 home conference split. I'd rather a 10 game conference schedule. Don't care what the SEC decides on the other 2 games.
 

Dawgg

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I don't like 9 conference games, but if we go to 4 pods, it makes the most sense:

3 permanent opponents in your pod
3 x 1 permanent opponent from each pod
3 x 1 rotating opponent from each pod

Add that plus a Power 5 OOC, we're looking at 2 games to schedule the Southern Misses, Eastern Kentuckies, and Troys of the world.

Speaking of which, we're playing AT Troy in 2027? What the actual 17?

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/mississippi-state/
 

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That's a good point. No way the SEC goes to a 9-game schedule without playoff expansion. It was Ohio St.'s AD who said they need to put that on hold. I do think the P5 OOC requirement is here to stay either way though. ESPN is going to want all those good inter-regional matchups instead of another LA Tech on the schedule.
 

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Unless something radically changes, it will be no p5OOC and two opponents rotating from each pod.
 

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This is a non-issue. We got approval for BYU being a Power 5 opponent already…which is borderline laughable. Texas Tech will certainly still meet whatever the criteria needs to be to qualify. And they’ll probably be in the PAC 12 if the Big 12 collapses.
BYU is an independent.
 

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I don't like 9 conference games, but if we go to 4 pods, it makes the most sense:

3 permanent opponents in your pod
3 x 1 permanent opponent from each pod
3 x 1 rotating opponent from each pod

Add that plus a Power 5 OOC, we're looking at 2 games to schedule the Southern Misses, Eastern Kentuckies, and Troys of the world.

Speaking of which, we're playing AT Troy in 2027? What the actual 17?

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/mississippi-state/
We played there in 2012.
 
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The lower level bowls will continue to exist. I worked on the first two Camilla Bowls as a volunteer. The city gives them the facilities for free. Local businesses and organizations pony up big time. For example the players are fed by the Alabama Cattlemen's Association and again by the Gulf Seafood Council. ESPN keeps all ticket sales, merch sales, and ad revenue.

The end result is these lower bowls give ESPN something to put on TV in a time where nothing else is happening, and makes ESPN a good return on a very small investment.
 

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Your common sense isn't very good. It's the same "common sense" people have been pushing for years. But it's wrong. Going to a 9-game schedule actually decreases the number of games played (although if you keep the P5 OOC requirement it does increase the quality by eliminating 16 mostly non-P5 OOC games and replacing them with 8 SEC games). And you're significantly underestimating the economic impact of adding TX & OU even with an 8-game schedule. This is much bigger than the past two expansions combined.

Are you serious right now? Yes, the total number of games is reduced….but the total number of quality games greatly increases. Nobody outside of Alabama fans watch when they play Samford or Western Kentucky. Same principle applies to at least 2 but usually 3 games for every other team in the league when they play crappy G5 / FCS games. ESPN loses their *** on all those contests. By your logic, we should just go to a 2 game SEC schedule and play 10 nonconference games to maximize total games.

Literally every single 17ing one of the college football pundits out there on ESPN and elsewhere has stated its not a matter of “if” but “when” for the 9-game conference schedule. Your “no greater than 50/50 chance” statement shows you really haven’t been following this at all.
 

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While I do think a 9 game schedule makes more sense, how does it generate more revenue for the teams? Is ESPN/ABC obligated to pay more money if they have to stick more conference matchups onto the SEC Alternate channel every week?

You cannot be 100% sure this will happen. Everything is on the table right now, and 9 games seems to be the best way to address a lot of problems. But you are also adding an extra road game to everyone's schedule every other year, which was part of the reason the 7 game schedule never really worked. You are free to remain confident it will happen, but 100% surety is not possible right now.

The only way it will not be 9 games is if it actually goes to 10 games. The road game every other year gets balanced out by the Power 5 team being a home team every year that the 5th road game kicks in. Do you think the B1G, PAC 12, and Big 12 went to 9 games and didn’t consider all that you just mentioned? By the way, the ****** *** B1G still landed a bigger TV deal than the SEC largely by virtue of that 9 game conference schedule. There absolutely will be 9 SEC games absolutely no later than when the expanded CFP rolls around, and likely way before. There is too much money being left on the table without it.
 

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I'm not a fan of 5 road/4 home conference split. I'd rather a 10 game conference schedule. Don't care what the SEC decides on the other 2 games.

Agree. I liked the 10 game schedule this past year.

I think we'll eventually see the power conferences break away and only play each other.
 

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BYU is an independent.

I’m aware of that. I’m saying they counted as a Power 5 game per the SEC’s requirement even though they were most recently a MWC school, and their overall schedule and talent level is nothing close to that of a typical Power 5 program.
 

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The only way it will not be 9 games is if it actually goes to 10 games. The road game every other year gets balanced out by the Power 5 team being a home team every year that the 5th road game kicks in. Do you think the B1G, PAC 12, and Big 12 went to 9 games and didn’t consider all that you just mentioned? By the way, the ****** *** B1G still landed a bigger TV deal than the SEC largely by virtue of that 9 game conference schedule. There absolutely will be 9 SEC games absolutely no later than when the expanded CFP rolls around, and likely way before. There is too much money being left on the table without it.

The B1G landed a bigger contract mainly because the SEC signed a ****** long term deal with CBS years ago. They also have a much larger TV audience. The B1G's combined ESPN/FOX deal is worth about $440 million per year. Disney just agreed to pay the SEC something in the low 300s per year for a 10 year deal. This has nothing to do with the number of total conference games on the schedule: There are going to be quality SEC games every single weekend whether we play an 8 or 12 game schedule. The details of the contract have not been released so we do not know if adding Texas and OU will have any impact on the price paid by Disney. Probably not....CBS was not required to chip in anymore money the last time the conference expanded, but maybe Sankey was looking forward and included the right to demand more money.

However, the contract requires every single SEC game to be televised by ABC/ESPN, and I doubt the payment will change just because there are more conference matchups....so what money is being left on the table? The only money I see being left on the table is the payout teams get for playing big out of conference road games that are not part of the conference deal with Disney. Schools can get a little extra money for that and do not have to split it with other SEC teams (at least I don't think they do). ESPN will actually have FEWER games to televise if we increase the number of conference matchups, but presumably will be able to charge more for the advertising so it should be a wash. Regardless, the revenue comes form the afternoon ABC game and the primetime ESPN matchups, and the other televised games are more or less a favor to the conference in exchange for exclusivity.

Schools will not simply be able to "balance out" their schedule with the Power 5 out of conference games. For one thing, those games are already set well into the future, and the SEC schedule is only now even being considered. Some of those Power 5 matchups might be willing to swap their home and away dates, but they have their own schedules to look after. And, occasionally some SEC schools will get have to swap their 4/5 split so that they can rotate their matchups with other division schools. Plus, schools are currently planning on having 8 home games on those years their Power 5 matchup is at home, and now they will only have 7 at best...maybe only 6 on those years their Power 5 game is away.

I really cannot see Alabama agreeing to have just 6 home games out of a 12 game schedule. Of course, they can buyout a scheduled non conference game or move a neutral site game to Tuscaloosa, but there are issues.

And you will definitely have complaints when some a tiebreaker of some sort comes down to one team that had 5 home games and one team that only had 4.

I'm even wondering if we will keep the SEC Championship game? Probably depends on what direction the CFP goes.

The point is, there is a lot to be considered. But I don't think your claim of "money being left on the table" is one of those things.
 

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The only way it will not be 9 games is if it actually goes to 10 games. The road game every other year gets balanced out by the Power 5 team being a home team every year that the 5th road game kicks in. Do you think the B1G, PAC 12, and Big 12 went to 9 games and didn’t consider all that you just mentioned? By the way, the ****** *** B1G still landed a bigger TV deal than the SEC largely by virtue of that 9 game conference schedule. There absolutely will be 9 SEC games absolutely no later than when the expanded CFP rolls around, and likely way before. There is too much money being left on the table without it.
You’re right about the OPs point being a non-issue. You’re wrong when you say you know a damned thing about what the SEC will do as far as scheduling. None of us do.

You wouldn’t be so GD annoying if you wouldn’t make such definitive statements like you know something the rest of us don’t. Just a tip for you.

Now downvote away and say “gOaTz has 398 uSerNames!!!111lolz11!
 

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The B1G landed a bigger contract mainly because the SEC signed a ****** long term deal with CBS years ago. They also have a much larger TV audience. The B1G's combined ESPN/FOX deal is worth about $440 million per year. Disney just agreed to pay the SEC something in the low 300s per year for a 10 year deal. This has nothing to do with the number of total conference games on the schedule: There are going to be quality SEC games every single weekend whether we play an 8 or 12 game schedule. The details of the contract have not been released so we do not know if adding Texas and OU will have any impact on the price paid by Disney. Probably not....CBS was not required to chip in anymore money the last time the conference expanded, but maybe Sankey was looking forward and included the right to demand more money.

However, the contract requires every single SEC game to be televised by ABC/ESPN, and I doubt the payment will change just because there are more conference matchups....so what money is being left on the table? The only money I see being left on the table is the payout teams get for playing big out of conference road games that are not part of the conference deal with Disney. Schools can get a little extra money for that and do not have to split it with other SEC teams (at least I don't think they do). ESPN will actually have FEWER games to televise if we increase the number of conference matchups, but presumably will be able to charge more for the advertising so it should be a wash. Regardless, the revenue comes form the afternoon ABC game and the primetime ESPN matchups, and the other televised games are more or less a favor to the conference in exchange for exclusivity.

Schools will not simply be able to "balance out" their schedule with the Power 5 out of conference games. For one thing, those games are already set well into the future, and the SEC schedule is only now even being considered. Some of those Power 5 matchups might be willing to swap their home and away dates, but they have their own schedules to look after. And, occasionally some SEC schools will get have to swap their 4/5 split so that they can rotate their matchups with other division schools. Plus, schools are currently planning on having 8 home games on those years their Power 5 matchup is at home, and now they will only have 7 at best...maybe only 6 on those years their Power 5 game is away.

I really cannot see Alabama agreeing to have just 6 home games out of a 12 game schedule. Of course, they can buyout a scheduled non conference game or move a neutral site game to Tuscaloosa, but there are issues.

And you will definitely have complaints when some a tiebreaker of some sort comes down to one team that had 5 home games and one team that only had 4.

I'm even wondering if we will keep the SEC Championship game? Probably depends on what direction the CFP goes.

The point is, there is a lot to be considered. But I don't think your claim of "money being left on the table" is one of those things.

Money is being left on the table because you are trading two games that nobody is watching for one game that a ton of people will watch. And you are doing that 8 times by creating a 9 game slate. Lets say Auburn plays Troy, South Carolina plays The Citadel. Nobody is 17ing watching those games. You swap them for Auburn vs South Carolina, and you have a marquee matchup that will draw a few million of viewers any time of day between 11 AM and 8 PM. You are also creating more windows to air those games by getting rid of 16 shittastic matchups that make you change the channel 5 minutes into the first quarter if you ever tune in to begin with. Thats a win for ESPN too, who doesn’t have to spend a ton of overhead and resources to broadcast those games.

The payments will absolutely change because there are more conference matchups. The league would be flat out idiotic to not negotiate that language on the front end of any new TV deal. New teams joining the league (or even leaving the league….looking at you Big 12) or major schedule changes always trigger addendum clauses that either change the terms of the deal or nullify it entirely and require both sides to come back to the table.

And your statement about only making money on 2 games per weekend with the rest being window dressing is just false. All of the SEC games make money. None of the others do except the home matchups against the Power 5 teams. Again, 3/5 of the Power 5 didn’t adopt a 9 game conference schedule AND maintain an OOC Power 5 requirement for ***** and giggles. It was a deliberate move to increase revenue, and it has worked out well for them.

You are also creating incentive for individual schools’ fans to actually start buying season tickets again, which has become a huge problem across college football in the wake of the pandemic. That is going to be an important focus for AD’s across the league.
 
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The same talking heads who have been saying for years a 9-game SEC schedule is imminent? The same ones who got completely blindsided by Texas and OU to the SEC to begin with? These guys have a LOT of airtime to fill and the vast majority of it is as informative as Alex Lifeson's speech when Rush was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (blah, blah, blah, blah). These guys don't know. They're speculating just like you and I are. Do you really think Sankey is calling them up and sharing the plans with them? There are good reasons the SEC hasn't gone to a 9-game schedule before now. That might change with the 12-team playoff (if/when that happens - there's a lot of backtracking on that from the Big 10 and probably ACC right now because they know an expanded SEC is going to take 3-4 of the 6 at large bids most years), or it might not. We'll just have to wait and see.
 

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You guys wanting a 10-game SEC schedule are suicidal. Get ready for a lot of 4-8 and 5-7 seasons if that happens.
 

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Let's drop the BS. In the end the SEC will play as many conference games as TV tells them they need. We admittedly don't know what that is right now but the decision will be made based on TV money .
 

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That's a good point. No way the SEC goes to a 9-game schedule without playoff expansion. It was Ohio St.'s AD who said they need to put that on hold. I do think the P5 OOC requirement is here to stay either way though. ESPN is going to want all those good inter-regional matchups instead of another LA Tech on the schedule.

I would be with them on that, and if it's between 8 SEC games and a P5 OOC, or 9 SEC games and no P5 OOC requirement (or I guess I should be saying P4 now), I'd rather have the cross conference matchups. I just feel like with 16 teams, only 8 SEC games makes it too hard to play everybody within a reasonable time frame if you have two divisions. Doing pods or just three permanent opponents helps some, but is still not ideal to me.

To me 12 team conferences with 8 conference games, two P5 OOC, and 2 G5 would be the ideal set up for fans if not for TV money. That would shave 5 lower tier teams off, so it would increase money some. Or if they really wanted to be greedy, they could do 4 12 team conferences. Of course at that number, you'd probably have Ole Miss or State at pretty serious risk of getting left out.
 

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I'd be willing to bet that by the time that game rolls around that rule will be made irrelevant due to conference expansion. No need to force quality OOC opponents if you play 9 in-conference games in the premier league.
 

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The same talking heads who have been saying for years a 9-game SEC schedule is imminent? The same ones who got completely blindsided by Texas and OU to the SEC to begin with? These guys have a LOT of airtime to fill and the vast majority of it is as informative as Alex Lifeson's speech when Rush was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (blah, blah, blah, blah). These guys don't know. They're speculating just like you and I are. Do you really think Sankey is calling them up and sharing the plans with them? There are good reasons the SEC hasn't gone to a 9-game schedule before now. That might change with the 12-team playoff (if/when that happens - there's a lot of backtracking on that from the Big 10 and probably ACC right now because they know an expanded SEC is going to take 3-4 of the 6 at large bids most years), or it might not. We'll just have to wait and see.

I don’t think the talking heads have been saying 9 games is “done deal” for 10+ continuous years like you are saying. It was a hot topic during the 2011 realignment when A&M / Mizzou came over. But it died down quickly, because that was still the BCS era and there were valid concerns about the SEC getting shut out if one of their elites had 1 or 2 losses.

But a lot has changed since then:

1) The CFP has arrived and ensured the SEC will have at least one and often two teams playing for the national championship every single year.

2) The CFP expansion talk has already begun in earnest…and could happen as early as 2023 (more likely to be 2025ish though). Industry experts have pegged a 12 team playoff as generating an additional $1 Billion in revenue, so that’s another not “if” but “when” situation. And pay no attention to the sour grapes of one or two B1G AD’s who want to postpone the expansion because they have the red *** about OU/UT to the SEC. They are getting their asses handed to them in the current system. B1G has provided just 5 of the 28 CFP teams (4 times being Ohio State) over the past 7 years, and one of those 4 got in after only having to play a month of football. They need all the help they can get….and of course they’ll enjoy getting a hell of a lot more money.

3) The SEC has now proven their elite teams can run the gauntlet even in a 10-game SEC schedule, and proven twice that an SEC team that doesn’t even win it’s division can still win the natty.

4) Years of escalating ticket / hotel costs and other issues have poured gasoline all over the in-person attendance numbers over the past several seasons, and COVID 19 became the lit match that was thrown on top of that gasoline. AD’s are desperate for ways to improve in-person attendance, and adding more games against big name teams / programs is about the only way to do that without whole scale price cutting.

5) Finally and perhaps most importantly, two more teams are coming over. It makes no sense whatsoever to even call yourself a conference when you only play half the other teams in the league in any given year, and go half a decade or more without playing certain teams at all. It’s not an equitable system as it creates too much schedule strength variance, and its also not as enjoyable for players or fans.
 
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