POLL: Rupp Name Change
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Only a moronic Marxist would support a name change.. Would be ridiculously stupid to cave.
That film didn't portray Rupp in a good light at all. When he saw the Texas Western team in the airport, he basically seemed disgusted at the sight of a team with so many black players. And of course you had the dynamic between Rupp and Bobby Joe Hill during the UK/Texas Western game at the end. Hollywood does like to throw in some of their own stuff even in films based on true stories. Maybe they felt like portraying Coach Rupp as a racist and not a good guy in general would make Texas Western's win more satisfying for viewers who had little to no knowledge of the Texas Western team prior to seeing the film.
I voted don’t know enough. Don’t care enough about the topic to learn enough either. As long as it’s not name like something blatantly antagonistic like N Word Arena or Retard Arena or after a USA traitor then I don’t care what the arena is named.
the BLM deal is RATINGS POISON...I’ll take bets on NBA Nielsen Ratings anyone? BLM blind supporters gonna trash this program out as well. I wish the kids were more independent thinkers but we’ll see...look at Lebron posing with white oppression books prior to games is the image as he is their idol. We are in an era where bigotry against a certain race is encouraged in an extreme way.
It used to show which posters voted for which answer. I can’t seem to find that option with the new crappy board. I’d love to see the ones that voted Yes.
For those who voted yes im curious what evidence leads you to believe this. Unless its just that you want it done so people will stop whining about it
changing the name does nothing....zero...nada...to advance equality.
Its not like white supremacists are rallying around Rupp, using his words or teachings to justify their actions, at the same time Rupp wasn't telling the national guard to block African Americans from entering UK, forfeiting games against predominantly black teams or blocking them from staying in hotels. There simply isn't any qualitative (or quantitative for that matter) data to show that Rupp acted , even by omission, as a deliberate racist.
The University of Kentucky, who Rupp represented, arguably is doing more to advance African American athletes than any other school in the nation. You could make a definable argument that the program at their own expense is sacrificing potential titles, revenue and resources to advance players who do not earn a degree but go on to earn multiples of their student peers simply for investing 1 year of their time here. And to my knowledge there isn't a huge number of them giving back to UK other than showing up for the occasional basketball camp.
If that isn't enough, then what will be?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. What is irresponsible here is sticking a microphone in front of a 19 year old and labeling him as the voice of UK athletes on the subject.
Its not like white supremacists are rallying around Rupp, using his words or teachings to justify their actions, at the same time Rupp wasn't telling the national guard to block African Americans from entering UK, forfeiting games against predominantly black teams or blocking them from staying in hotels. There simply isn't any qualitative (or quantitative for that matter) data to show that Rupp acted , even by omission, as a deliberate racist.
The University of Kentucky, who Rupp represented, arguably is doing more to advance African American athletes than any other school in the nation. You could make a definable argument that the program at their own expense is sacrificing potential titles, revenue and resources to advance players who do not earn a degree but go on to earn multiples of their student peers simply for investing 1 year of their time here. And to my knowledge there isn't a huge number of them giving back to UK other than showing up for the occasional basketball camp.
If that isn't enough, then what will be?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. What is irresponsible here is sticking a microphone in front of a 19 year old and labeling him as the voice of UK athletes on the subject.
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by the way to put this discussion about Rupp into perspective, many vocal African American representatives, including media personalities like Van Jones have said that inaction and silence is tacit approval of racism. If their standards today were applied and considered valid, then a significant percentage of the nation would be considered racist - except those people these comments are directed to have a voice to fight back. Similarities exist to 1940's America during Rupps era.
Now apply those Van Jones standards 50 years from now when most of these people have died but their voices/actions are judged by the values of society in 2070. Its the Rupp discussion now.
By simply living your life , not directly or even indirectly acting against someone of color, but not taking whatever action defined by someone with a platform like Van Jones dictates, you will be labeled a racist long after you are gone. Who knows, maybe Calipari will be villified because he did nothing to advance the latino race because thru the lense of history he solely focused on African Americans.
Now tell a kid named Rodriguez in 2070 that in 1997 Calipari called a reporter a "Mexican Idiot" and ask him if he thinks Calipari was a racist.
Now admittedly Rupp was in a different situation than most of us as he was coaching a sport where African Americans could potentially thrive but were being held back, but my premise is still valid. Rupp acted on the norms of society. Essentially he is being labeled a racist because of what he didn't do - take a stand, risk his position to fight for integration, these expectations placed on him to break barriers rather than simply do his job within the constraints placed on him by his school, conference , laws and society as a whole - and he is being singled out in a time when few people in his profession did so and certainly no one in the Southern or SEC conference, because of his success, not the positions he took.
Now apply those Van Jones standards 50 years from now when most of these people have died but their voices/actions are judged by the values of society in 2070. Its the Rupp discussion now.
By simply living your life , not directly or even indirectly acting against someone of color, but not taking whatever action defined by someone with a platform like Van Jones dictates, you will be labeled a racist long after you are gone. Who knows, maybe Calipari will be villified because he did nothing to advance the latino race because thru the lense of history he solely focused on African Americans.
Now tell a kid named Rodriguez in 2070 that in 1997 Calipari called a reporter a "Mexican Idiot" and ask him if he thinks Calipari was a racist.
Now admittedly Rupp was in a different situation than most of us as he was coaching a sport where African Americans could potentially thrive but were being held back, but my premise is still valid. Rupp acted on the norms of society. Essentially he is being labeled a racist because of what he didn't do - take a stand, risk his position to fight for integration, these expectations placed on him to break barriers rather than simply do his job within the constraints placed on him by his school, conference , laws and society as a whole - and he is being singled out in a time when few people in his profession did so and certainly no one in the Southern or SEC conference, because of his success, not the positions he took.
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Which option is more inclined to get 18 year old black men to come play for our team?
That option.
That option.
I think he balked at taking blacks that were not good enough to contribute, just for the sake of saying he had a black on the team. I believe he wanted Unseld, Beard, and a couple of others, who did not want to be the first.
Keion is here to get an education on a basketball scholarship, all of this other stuff is a distraction. People shouldn't even be asking the players questions like this, he even said he didn't know enough about it. Obviously it wasn't a problem before cancel culture and liberal media ask these kids their opinion about it. Changing the name of a basketball arena that honors the coach that built the Kentucky tradition is ridiculous. Most of the players Kentucky gets only stay two years and some less than that, that's not even enough time to unpack your bags much less try to change the name of an arena they know nothing about. Time to play ball, not politics.
thats too much to put on a 19 year old.
He's just a kid, saying what kids in his position would say.
Now the person that asked the question, and KSR for running a story saying he was the voice of UK athletes? They need to be hit with a bag of doorknobs.
“Being honest, I haven’t educated myself well enough on Adolph Rupp...to really give you my thoughts on it. I would like to see a name change...,”
In other words, he’s too lazy to find out any facts, but he wants a change. Just because.
Don’t be an idiot. A reporter asked Brooks a question (somewhat inappropriate in my opinion since it’s highly unlikely Brooks has any knowledge of the topic, which to Brooks’ credit he admitted he didn’t) and Brooks answered truthfully.
At the end of the day whether he was asked a question by someone in the media or brought it up himself, he has a right to an opinion just like anyone else.
People threatening a kid over something like this are 1.) not representing UK fans well, 2.) are not doing UK any favors & 3.) are an embarrassment IMO.
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If you saw the movie, Hidden Figures, hollywierd did the same thing.
The scene about the women having to use a black only bathroom was completely fake. It never happened per the women who actually worked at NASA.
But hollywierd wanted to have the race card to play.
Sad thing is a lot of folks will watch that movie and come away thinking that's actual history.
Same with the Glory Road movie.
So this thread only has 14 trolls and communists who have read it so far.
If we give some of them time to switch over to their burner accounts in order to vote more, I put the final name change vote at less than 30.
If we give some of them time to switch over to their burner accounts in order to vote more, I put the final name change vote at less than 30.
Rupp Arena is a great name leave it along, Rupp was not perfect but who is.
Citing Van Jones to support your argument fails on so many levels. The dude's a socialist.
Rupp was a product of the era in which he lived.He rose to the top of his profession,he was successful in other areas(cattle farming being one) On a scale of 1 to 100( 1 being a racist and 100 being a civil rights activist) he was probably a 60/65(which was quite progressive for that time) if that warrants his name coming down then take it down,if it does not then leave it alone. In my mind it clearly does not rise anywhere near that level.If it does then any building named for anyone born before 1970 should probably be changed.
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First, I don't think you understood my post, but secondly, I don't care what he is other than he has a national platform and feels he is in a position to define what racism is and is not.
sure you can. But my point is 50 years from now there will be another Van Jones who might say something like 90% of the people that lived in Kentucky in 2020 were racists because they didn't engage in riots with BLM to burn down police stations. And because of his platform and the times, society will judge those Kentuckians in the context of what they know, not the context of 2020. Or as in my example with Calipari, there may be a huge cryout of inequality to people of Latino descent who make up 50% of the population in 2070, and they determine we are all racists because we didn't do more to advance Latino causes in 2020 which really isn't even on our radar at the moment.
Fwiw, this is being pushed by a small (but growing) group. And it’s not a new push.
Half the stuff in that movie never happened.
But that's what Hollywood always does with their "true" story movies. They take a real event, spice it up with made up fiction, and then sell it to the public as "history."
Tom was a brilliant basketball player. His dark side didn't come out until after UK. Nice try though.
This is all political, the whole year of 2020...just another piece pushing close to home.
What blows my mind is that neither side wants to address the difficult questions so nothing will be resolved until that happens. Changing the name of Rupp Arena is laughable. If anything that will insight more argument.
Right now the flavor of the month is Biden- the magic potion, GMAB. What the hell is he going to different than Trump? What did Obama do for 8 years?
Until people in power can have difficult conversations nothing will change and those are cold hard facts. There are problems on both sides.
What blows my mind is that neither side wants to address the difficult questions so nothing will be resolved until that happens. Changing the name of Rupp Arena is laughable. If anything that will insight more argument.
Right now the flavor of the month is Biden- the magic potion, GMAB. What the hell is he going to different than Trump? What did Obama do for 8 years?
Until people in power can have difficult conversations nothing will change and those are cold hard facts. There are problems on both sides.
Or, to be more accurate, he didn't get caught until after UK. But there's plenty evidence the dark side was already there. In fact, I believe one of his convictions was for raping a Kentucky girl during his time in Lexington.
Truth is there were plenty warning signs that he perhaps was not the right guy to break UK's color barrier (although, obviously nobody knew he'd be a serial rapist), as he was a trainwreck in the classroom and known to have emotional issues both during and before his time here.
May not be enough. Duke is paying $500k
If you use race in your argument then you are the racist, doesn’t matter if your liberal ,conservative or independent.
I know you mean this a a joke and understand. What gets me is how these same athletes and others who talk all this change never mention the Democratic Party and its roots to the KKK.
If there is to be this big change in America where everything found to offensive to some, then looking into abolishing the Democratic Party for its sins of backing the KKK years ago.
I recommend everyone buy the DVD by Larry Elder, a Black man who is a really good radio host that he made called "Uncle Tom".
Watch this from an educated Black man who knows history. Wish Coach Cal would play this to the team and then ask them to comment on real facts about racism.
What would the worst poster on the board do then? Not sure if you saw but a whole thread got turned into that talking point just the other day
Payne did have trouble in the classroom (and at times on the court, Rupp did note that he had a temper) but as has been discussed in the past Rupp was (and currently is) criticized for not taking players who couldn’t be admitted into school, instead he was looking for basketball players who were also good students, which is why Unseld and/or Beard would have been perfect.
As the years went by Rupp did start to take bigger & bigger chances (both in terms of lowering athletic & academic expectations). In Payne’s case his talent was raw but unquestioned. His standardized test score was not up to par but he was at least able to get into school. (He wasn’t eligible to play on the freshman team because of his incoming test score.)
The thing about Payne is that his dad was a master sergeant in the military and was a strict disciplinarian & his advisor. He lost his father right around the time leading up to him having off the court issues. That doesn’t excuse it, but it at least helps explain and put it into context.
I know some Rupp critics have tried to claim that Payne was a bad seed from the beginning and Rupp knew that & somehow tried to capitalize on it in some way. I haven’t seen any evidence to support this theory, a theory which is completely ridiculous BTW.
On the ESPN Classic site an article about Rupp discussed concerning his time as a high school basketball coach. Rupp had an integrated high school team. Rupp also selected a black player for his Olympic team. The following excerpt is from the article:
“Rupp drew criticism late in his career for failing to recruit African-Americans and only one black ever played for him, 7-foot Tom Payne. Though Rupp talked of recruiting blacks during the 1960s, Kentucky was one of the last major basketball schools to integrate its program. Many branded him a racist, though others thought he was merely reflecting his environment.
“On the positive side for Rupp, he started a black player in his first year of coaching high school basketball in Illinois and selected the first African-American player (Don Harksdale) for a U.S Olympic basketball team.
Had Kentucky lost to Duke in the 1966 semi-final game, Duke could be villianized for having an all white team play Texas Western. The good thing is that UK did beat Duke that year.