Police State?

[Boomboom521]

Im curious how both liberals and conservatives feel on this issue. Are we beginning to see, or is it already clear that we have become a police state where American rights have been compromised in the name of law and order?

1. With the Patriot Act, I began to concern myself with the general issue.
2. DUI checkpoints
3. ICE checkpoints
4. Unmarked Patrol vehicles
5. Not allowing filming of facilities
6. Aggression towards “cop watchers”

I love cops, what they do and for the pay they get, they should be respected always.....but that admiration and respect doesn’t warrant the forfeit of my rights. It’s a thin and difficult line to see at times and at times it’s clear.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/ice-warrant-standoff/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

 

[WVU82_rivals]

treason would be at the top of your list then ?

 

[TarHeelEer]

Im curious how both liberals and conservatives feel on this issue. Are we beginning to see, or is it already clear that we have become a police state where American rights have been compromised in the name of law and order?

1. With the Patriot Act, I began to concern myself with the general issue.
2. DUI checkpoints
3. ICE checkpoints
4. Unmarked Patrol vehicles
5. Not allowing filming of facilities
6. Aggression towards “cop watchers”

I love cops, what they do and for the pay they get, they should be respected always.....but that admiration and respect doesn’t warrant the forfeit of my rights. It’s a thin and difficult line to see at times and at times it’s clear.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/ice-warrant-standoff/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

I watched The Highwaymen over the weekend. Good flick. The police were at a disadvantage in the 1930's. They still got the job done.

Ma Ferguson is an interesting character in her own right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_A._Ferguson

 

[Airport]

Im curious how both liberals and conservatives feel on this issue. Are we beginning to see, or is it already clear that we have become a police state where American rights have been compromised in the name of law and order?

1. With the Patriot Act, I began to concern myself with the general issue.
2. DUI checkpoints
3. ICE checkpoints
4. Unmarked Patrol vehicles
5. Not allowing filming of facilities
6. Aggression towards “cop watchers”

I love cops, what they do and for the pay they get, they should be respected always.....but that admiration and respect doesn’t warrant the forfeit of my rights. It’s a thin and difficult line to see at times and at times it’s clear.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/ice-warrant-standoff/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

Like having your voted diluted by allowing illegal aliens to vote?

 

[Boomboom521]

I watched The Highwaymen over the weekend. Good flick. The police were at a disadvantage in the 1930's. They still got the job done.

Ma Ferguson is an interesting character in her own right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_A._Ferguson

I thought it was good too! Costner and Harrelson were great

 

[Boomboom521]

Like having your voted diluted by allowing illegal aliens to vote?

JFC....can’t we just talk anymore without it turning into another argument? We should start counseling

 

[Boomboom521]

Im curious how both liberals and conservatives feel on this issue. Are we beginning to see, or is it already clear that we have become a police state where American rights have been compromised in the name of law and order?

1. With the Patriot Act, I began to concern myself with the general issue.
2. DUI checkpoints
3. ICE checkpoints
4. Unmarked Patrol vehicles
5. Not allowing filming of facilities
6. Aggression towards “cop watchers”

I love cops, what they do and for the pay they get, they should be respected always.....but that admiration and respect doesn’t warrant the forfeit of my rights. It’s a thin and difficult line to see at times and at times it’s clear.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/ice-warrant-standoff/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

I was hoping to get a non-team talking points take from some on 1-6 above

 

[Airport]

JFC....can’t we just talk anymore without it turning into another argument? We should start counseling

What's wrong with ICE checkpoints, DUI checkpoints? Patriot act might need some updating and revisions. FISA definitely does.

 

[Boomboom521]

What's wrong with ICE checkpoints, DUI checkpoints? Patriot act might need some updating and revisions. FISA definitely does.

Personally, I don’t like checkpoints. Not because I’m illegal or I drink and drive, but because it is illegal search and detainment. I’ve never really been passionate about them or anything, but I’m beginning to understand the attitude that some have about stopping things before they start becoming a problem.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Im curious how both liberals and conservatives feel on this issue. Are we beginning to see, or is it already clear that we have become a police state where American rights have been compromised in the name of law and order?

1. With the Patriot Act, I began to concern myself with the general issue.
2. DUI checkpoints
3. ICE checkpoints
4. Unmarked Patrol vehicles
5. Not allowing filming of facilities
6. Aggression towards “cop watchers”

I love cops, what they do and for the pay they get, they should be respected always.....but that admiration and respect doesn’t warrant the forfeit of my rights. It’s a thin and difficult line to see at times and at times it’s clear.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/ice-warrant-standoff/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

"I like police, but...."

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

JFC....can’t we just talk anymore without it turning into another argument? We should start counseling

marriage?:scream:

 

[jpoppa]

Im curious how both liberals and conservatives feel on this issue. Are we beginning to see, or is it already clear that we have become a police state where American rights have been compromised in the name of law and order?

1. With the Patriot Act, I began to concern myself with the general issue.
2. DUI checkpoints
3. ICE checkpoints
4. Unmarked Patrol vehicles
5. Not allowing filming of facilities
6. Aggression towards “cop watchers”

I love cops, what they do and for the pay they get, they should be respected always.....but that admiration and respect doesn’t warrant the forfeit of my rights. It’s a thin and difficult line to see at times and at times it’s clear.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/ice-warrant-standoff/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

The US has been in a Police State for Decades. Corruption from top to bottom. Street cops to court rooms....I lean right but have seen too many shady things that make you think, just my opinion though

 

[Airport]

Im curious how both liberals and conservatives feel on this issue. Are we beginning to see, or is it already clear that we have become a police state where American rights have been compromised in the name of law and order?

1. With the Patriot Act, I began to concern myself with the general issue.
2. DUI checkpoints
3. ICE checkpoints
4. Unmarked Patrol vehicles
5. Not allowing filming of facilities
6. Aggression towards “cop watchers”

I love cops, what they do and for the pay they get, they should be respected always.....but that admiration and respect doesn’t warrant the forfeit of my rights. It’s a thin and difficult line to see at times and at times it’s clear.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/ice-warrant-standoff/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

Why should filming be allowed of facilities?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Why should filming be allowed of facilities?

Good point. We should trust the government to do everything right.

 

[Boomboom521]

"I like police, but...."

What? Bad cops, same as anything else. I don’t think the badge warrants the right to do whatever.

Coop, do you have any thoughts on the subjects above, or are you just here to sassy sass like usual? I mean, you’re one I’d actually like to hear an opinion from on this, not just your opinion that I’m a **** nugget.

 

[Boomboom521]

Why should filming be allowed of facilities?

I think it’s a positive to allow people to document their interactions with employees and officials.

 

[Boomboom521]

The US has been in a Police State for Decades. Corruption from top to bottom. Street cops to court rooms....I lean right but have seen too many shady things that ou think, just my opinion though

I don’t think it’s a left or right issue. The left likes the police, who else is going to protect my limp dick *** from mean wingnuts bullies? I want LE to be safe, and I want them to be effective......but as we give ground, it can (and perhaps has) become a problem that threatens Our rights

 

[Boomboom521]

Of course, I don’t need police, I have.......

 

[Airport]

I think it’s a positive to allow people to document their interactions with employees and officials.

You are assuming that they are filming treatment of prisoners, what if they are filming to figure out how to break somebody out? That's what I'm alluding too. Casing the area.

 

[dave]

I think it’s a positive to allow people to document their interactions with employees and officials.

I agree but moat of the folks I see doing this are dumbasses wasting the police time with their BS.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

What? Bad cops, same as anything else. I don’t think the badge warrants the right to do whatever.

Coop, do you have any thoughts on the subjects above, or are you just here to sassy sass like usual? I mean, you’re one I’d actually like to hear an opinion from on this, not just your opinion that I’m a **** nugget.

Sassy Sass? Yikes.

I trust our system of checks and balances when it comes to things like the Patriot Act. ICE and DUI checkpoints....what's the gripe here? Unmarked cars....what?

I think we should get to see facilities and how are tax dollars at work.

Lastly, I'll side with LEOs until they give me a reason not to. Most police "watchers" are more like police antagonizers

 

[WVUCOOPER]

You are assuming that they are filming treatment of prisoners, what if they are filming to figure out how to break somebody out? That's what I'm alluding too. Casing the area.

L M A O

 

[Boomboom521]

You are assuming that they are filming treatment of prisoners, what if they are filming to figure out how to break somebody out? That's what I'm alluding too. Casing the area.

I have no problems with areas being restricted. And I was thinking more along the lines of someone paying a ticket at a clerks office, discussing a complaint with an officer, challenging a representative on an issue, etc...

 

[Airport]

L M A O

When he says facilites, that can mean any type of facilities. He needs to be more specific. Is he putting in there Nuclear facilites? Prisons? He is vague about what he means. Do you think anybody should be able to stand outside a nuclear reactor and film the whole facility?

 

[Airport]

I have no problems with areas being restricted. And I was thinking more along the lines of someone paying a ticket at a clerks office, discussing a complaint with an officer, challenging a representative on an issue, etc...

You were vague, you just said facilities.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

When he says facilites, that can mean any type of facilities. He needs to be more specific. Is he putting in there Nuclear facilites? Prisons? He is vague about what he means. Do you think anybody should be able to stand outside a nuclear reactor and film the whole facility?

L M A O.

You are literally scared of everything.

 

[Boomboom521]

Sassy Sass? Yikes.

I trust our system of checks and balances when it comes to things like the Patriot Act. ICE and DUI checkpoints....what's the gripe here? Unmarked cars....what?

I think we should get to see facilities and how are tax dollars at work.

Lastly, I'll side with LEOs until they give me a reason not to. Most police "watchers" are more like police antagonizers

Legit points.

Since having 3 daughters, I’m almost at the point of telling them to not pull over for an unmarked. It has become a mechanism for predators, although not in a very high number nationwide.

I’ve never had issue with checkpoints, odd enough even when I was partying quite a bit. I guess I just don’t like the strategy.

The Patriot Act allows circumventing the checks and balances in place to prevent invasion of privacy, no?

 

[roadtrasheer]

Personally, I don’t like checkpoints. Not because I’m illegal or I drink and drive, but because it is illegal search and detainment. I’ve never really been passionate about them or anything, but I’m beginning to understand the attitude that some have about stopping things before they start becoming a problem.

I dont mind DUI check points, they should not be able to ask for your papers, Dl, insurance & registration, thats when it stops being safety & starts being intrusive....same with seat belts...none of no ones business if I smash my own face because of my personal choices....

 

[WVUCOOPER]

The Patriot Act allows circumventing the checks and balances in place to prevent invasion of privacy, no?

No.

 

[Boomboom521]

When he says facilites, that can mean any type of facilities. He needs to be more specific. Is he putting in there Nuclear facilites? Prisons? He is vague about what he means. Do you think anybody should be able to stand outside a nuclear reactor and film the whole facility?

Yes, I do. Sometimes, investigation from citizens is the only way wrongdoing is uncovered.

 

[Airport]

Yes, I do. Sometimes, investigation from citizens is the only way wrongdoing is uncovered.

Well, I don't. Not on some installations but I would guess I'm nitpiking about what type of facility. You are correct about one thing, if private citizens were looking at what the FBI was doing with HRC, she'd be indicted.

 

[Airport]

L M A O.

You are literally scared of everything.

I'm not scared of anything except my wife. The filming **** should cut both ways. when all those agitators in ST Louis were proven wrong, should they have been prosecuted? hands up don't shoot. More like pants up, don't loot.

 

[Mntneer]

Im curious how both liberals and conservatives feel on this issue. Are we beginning to see, or is it already clear that we have become a police state where American rights have been compromised in the name of law and order?

1. With the Patriot Act, I began to concern myself with the general issue.
2. DUI checkpoints
3. ICE checkpoints
4. Unmarked Patrol vehicles
5. Not allowing filming of facilities
6. Aggression towards “cop watchers”

I love cops, what they do and for the pay they get, they should be respected always.....but that admiration and respect doesn’t warrant the forfeit of my rights. It’s a thin and difficult line to see at times and at times it’s clear.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/ice-warrant-standoff/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

1) Patriot Act needs to be re-examined, specifically the FISA court process.
2) Never been a fan of them, it's almost as if probable cause is non-existent.
3) Got stopped at one one time in Arizona. This WV boy was unfamiliar with them, but didn't really have a problem with it. But again, there should be a need for probable cause to stop someone, and if while stopping them asking for ID is not out of the norm.
4) Don't like them. Tell my wife and step-daughter. If an unmarked car tries pulling you over, drive to the nearest police station or heavily populated area.
5) You mean like prisons?
6) Some "cop watchers" are looking for a confrontation and are pricks, but some are definitely needed.

I'd add a 7th. The No-knock Warrants. Have a big issue with them.

 

[dave]

1) Patriot Act needs to be re-examined, specifically the FISA court process.
2) Never been a fan of them, it's almost as if probable cause is non-existent.
3) Got stopped at one one time in Arizona. This WV boy was unfamiliar with them, but didn't really have a problem with it. But again, there should be a need for probable cause to stop someone, and if while stopping them asking for ID is not out of the norm.
4) Don't like them. Tell my wife and step-daughter. If an unmarked car tries pulling you over, drive to the nearest police station or heavily populated area.
5) You mean like prisons?
6) Some "cop watchers" are looking for a confrontation and are pricks, but some are definitely needed.

I'd add a 7th. The No-knock Warrants. Have a big issue with them.

I told my wife if you are being pulled over by an unmarked car to call 911 and have the operator verify. There are some key things to remember. Blue lights are cops. Red lights are Emergency. If a cop is trying to pull you over with red or white lughts be alarmed.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

• With the Patriot Act, I began to concern myself with the general issue.

• DUI checkpoints

• ICE checkpoints

• Unmarked Patrol vehicles

• Not allowing filming of facilities

• Aggression towards “cop watchers”

I’ve been against The Patriot Act since inception. We’ve already seen the abuses in the name of it since even before Bush was out of office. Snowden released a ton more with Obama, and seen it abused against political opponents (which the left currently disputes).

DUI checkpoints I don’t have a huge issue with, but can see the arguments for violating the 4th.

ICE checkpoints I think are totally within scope. I’m fine with these.

Unmarked cars I think are fine in most circumstances. I think it’s ******** for speed traps which I have an issue with in general. I think speed traps are a revenue generator.

The filming thing is a security risk and I’m fine with.

I don’t know enough about cop watchers to have an opinion on.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

L M A O.

You are literally scared of everything.

There is a clear precedent where open source material was used to plan an attack, that’s why that is in place. Google sanitized their maps of military installations over a decade ago due to the planned attack on the installations in NJ.

 

[Boomboom521]

1) Patriot Act needs to be re-examined, specifically the FISA court process.
2) Never been a fan of them, it's almost as if probable cause is non-existent.
3) Got stopped at one one time in Arizona. This WV boy was unfamiliar with them, but didn't really have a problem with it. But again, there should be a need for probable cause to stop someone, and if while stopping them asking for ID is not out of the norm.
4) Don't like them. Tell my wife and step-daughter. If an unmarked car tries pulling you over, drive to the nearest police station or heavily populated area.
5) You mean like prisons?
6) Some "cop watchers" are looking for a confrontation and are pricks, but some are definitely needed.

I'd add a 7th. The No-knock Warrants. Have a big issue with them.

I’d think prisons wouldn’t be acceptable, maybe some areas. I’m thinking more along the lines of courthouses (not courtrooms), police stations, DMV’s, Capitols......

Some cop watchers are confrontational and disruptive, but the practice shouldn’t be disallowed or even discouraged by LE, imo.

I agree, i imagine no knocks were to avoid allowing wanted individuals from arming themselves, taking hostages.....but I think an argument can be made for them being more dangerous. I’d think judges do a good job of not allowing them in homes where children are present. But any which way, it’s a citizen’s home and should be treated with respect.

 

[Boomboom521]

There is a clear precedent where open source material was used to plan an attack, that’s why that is in place. Google sanitized their maps of military installations over a decade ago due to the planned attack on the installations in NJ.

I would think military installations would be restricted.