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To be fair, the person that tweeted that posted there was cause for concern about Murphy just this week on this board.
Rosebowl gonna Rosebowl.**
Every time a commit even considers visiting another school, he plays it up for attention - inciting a riot on Jean’s chock full of typical M-State inferiority complex.
... On a whim based on talk from an in-home visit high...
There were a few days of legitimate trepidation, that much is obvious. But State fans chicken little'd themselves as pre-programmed to do on recruiting and blew it up into something it never was. Steve playin them heart strings...
Everyone can have their preference -- but give me the Paul Jones approach -- who had the conviction in his own thoughts and sources to never waver in his thoughts on this -- even if he occasionally gets one wrong or totally doesn't see something coming.
Compared to Steve causing a moderate panic -- as known to do a couple of times a year -- on the possibility that high school recruiting drama that was always gonna work itself out one way or another by the middle of this week and be truly news-worthy at that point if it's not looking good
Tell me the guys we're chasing. Then tell me the ones you think might be leaning our way. I don't need to know all of the insanity in the details in between. And I know that what gets published isn't 10% of it.
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Somebody better tell Rosebowl. Gawd I hate being a gp’er now...
I’ve never paid GP, and would rather just pay Paul n Robbie if I could.
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Makes you wonder how much of the drama every year is manufactured by the people who get more readers and listeners when there's more drama.
Let's not kid ourselves. Maybe MSU fans shouldn't freak out but we've been burned enough times late in the recruiting game with the Merry Flipmas stuff and guys bolting for no obvious reason that some level of panic is just going to happen when one of our top recruits starts seriously entertaining another SEC school out of nowhere. The only way to stop it would be to stop the recruiting guys from reporting it somehow. And to be honest, when it gets reported and people get concerned it is justified. Guess its where you draw the line between concern and freaking out on a message board.
C.J. Johnson 'flip' showed to me that NO commit is safe .. until AFTER they have signed the paperwork. Period.
CJ commits to MSU early, stating, "State is the only place he could see himself playing."
CJ becomes State's top recruiter, telling other high school players, "Join the dream team."
CJ makes fun of prospects for committing to OM saying they will end up like Pat Patterson.
CJ gets lanyard ripped off his neck by an OM fan while attending the Egg Bowl at TSUN.
CJ states, when asked, “But I am still going to Mississippi State. It’s just like what my dad told me before he passed away. He said ‘son, the only thing you have in this world is your word’. I am committed to Mississippi State and that’s where I am going to school.”
CJ decommits from MSU and commits to OM without even informing the MSU coaches.
CJ shows up, first day at TSUN, driving a nice new truck. Posted to twitter .. "Brand new Silverado.... Brand new me"
Me too! I am getting really irritated at the GP disciples posts. It is easy to pick them out. "Steve we have CB's to the Landry Walker kids, things looking good for Carvin. If we get these would this be considered a good thing?" ..........Do you really have to ask if that is a good thing? Can these people make decisions without Steve?
The last merry flipmas was 7 years ago. Who was the last top recruit who actually was committed to us that we lost in flipmas fashion? I guess you can count Tee Shepard -- which was 4 years ago.
It's not something that is happening every year -- or even every other year. Which is why it's chicken little to freak out every time an elite player has an option and maybe wants to take a visit or two or whatever. That happens at every school in the country all of the time. What happened to us in the 2011 class, it is extremely safe to say, is no longer happening regularly.
It's not something that is happening every year -- or even every other year. Which is why it's chicken little to freak out every time an elite player has an option and maybe wants to take a visit or two or whatever. That happens at every school in the country all of the time. What happened to us in the 2011 class, it is extremely safe to say, is no longer happening regularly.
Then add Walker to the long list of State Internet “journalists” who love cucking their own fanbase.
Just being told something directly doesn't mean that that information can't be reported on a whim.
It's Steve's job to discern real problems from background noise. He reported a real problem in what both Paul and Robbie said was background noise. And the facts side with Paul and Robbie on this one.
The reality is that Steve flipped the whole fanbase out about a potential visit that was cancelled further in advance of said visit than the entire length of Murphy's flirtation with Tennessee.
It wasn't for no reason. When a guy like Brandon Walker that has strong ties to WP (and who I believe just reports as he hears it) says its looking like an uphill battle for MSU to hold onto one of, if not its top recruit in Murphy, then what is everyone supposed to do, just sing Kum ba ya? It was definite cause for concern. Now I personally am not going to "freak out" over any single recruit because things happen in recruiting every year that don't make sense and life is too short to get overly invested in recruiting results positive or negative.
I enjoy knowing all of the details. If people flip out it's on them. He told what he knew (or what he thought he knew). I would imagine that covering recruiting is very subjective in a lot of ways. Different strokes for different folks. I enjoy all of the recruiting guys and their different styles.
Steve had a pretty solid source on this and reported what he knew. BW was sharing what he was hearing also from contacts in his home town. They weren't trying to troll anyone. If that were true, they would be doing this kind of stuff more often.
The issue is not them and their reporting. The issue is idiots on these message boards who take any negative recruiting news and go into full freak-out mode - living and dying on the decisions of 18 year olds. Steve and BW are just providing information.
That's simply not true
It doesn't matter now because the fire has been put out. But it was definitely a fire that needed attention.
It doesn't matter now because the fire has been put out. But it was definitely a fire that needed attention.
That freak out is definitely on our fanbase, but our fanbase is a known quantity in that regard.
I didn't accuse them of trying to troll. Just questioned the discernment of pertinent info and the timing of when that info becomes pertinent. It's obvious they and/or their sources got caught up in a little hype and hyperbole on this one. Now, if he actually got on the plane to Knoxville with his mom this weekend -- or we even made it to a day or two before with it still being very likely -- then the discussion would become very warranted IMO. That said, Paul told everyone before this that he might visit Knoxville -- and there was no freak out at the time because of how that info was stated.
As far as the "I enjoy knowing all of the details" approach from the other post pointed at me... you are welcome to believe that's what you get on these recruiting sites. The truth is you still get a very small (and very parsed for public consumption) percentage of what these guys actually know. That's one thing Chris Brooks is right about. Once you see behind the veil a little bit in recruiting, you never unsee it. The truth is, there is this kind of drama with elite kids a dozen times in most of their recruitments, most of which never become news... This one becoming so was a perfect storm of being a staunch MSU community that still had PTSD from Lashley's recruitment... JMO.
I didn't accuse them of trying to troll. Just questioned the discernment of pertinent info and the timing of when that info becomes pertinent. It's obvious they and/or their sources got caught up in a little hype and hyperbole on this one. Now, if he actually got on the plane to Knoxville with his mom this weekend -- or we even made it to a day or two before with it still being very likely -- then the discussion would become very warranted IMO. That said, Paul told everyone before this that he might visit Knoxville -- and there was no freak out at the time because of how that info was stated.
As far as the "I enjoy knowing all of the details" approach from the other post pointed at me... you are welcome to believe that's what you get on these recruiting sites. The truth is you still get a very small (and very parsed for public consumption) percentage of what these guys actually know. That's one thing Chris Brooks is right about. Once you see behind the veil a little bit in recruiting, you never unsee it. The truth is, there is this kind of drama with elite kids a dozen times in most of their recruitments, most of which never become news... This one becoming so was a perfect storm of being a staunch MSU community that still had PTSD from Lashley's recruitment... JMO.
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Any SEC fanbase would "freak out" on message boards if they thought they were losing one of their very top commits within a week of signing day. Especially one 15 miles from campus. Not sure what other reaction would be expected? And I guess I don't know what constitutes concern versus a freak out. Thinking our fan base is unique in this is laughable.
I know you’re all about Paul and Robbie, but you don’t say anything about Robbie flipping crystal balls based on twitter rumors that turned out to be bogus.
Exactly! If you listened to what i did.....You would think Fulmer backed the Brinks truck up to West Point City hall and a commitment was about to change any minute.
Or he could just tell us what he's hearing and not try to protect people that act like 5 year olds when they hear someone may flip. The truth is we do get a very small slither of the recruiting process. You're right. I certainly don't want it to get any smaller by the recruiting guys blowing smoke up my *** until the very last minute. The truth is that I don't have any sources on Marcus's recruitment, and you probably don't either. Just because Paul ended up being right about him not flipping doesn't mean that he could not have potentially been wrong about the chances of that flip happening. Maybe rosebowl and walker are trying to drive up ratings. Maybe they have ****** sources. Maybe they were right at the time and things got smoothed over. I don't know. Neither do you.
Probably because Robbie admitted just a little after that he jumped the gun way too soon and got caught listening to the other side.
On an uncommitted player that, truly, no one knows what he's actually going to do. Sounds to me like Carvin Raquon Davis'ed Florida if you want to know my personal opinion on the matter...
So it’s cool for the 247 guys to jump the gun, but bad on Brandon and Steve for telling the truth? Paul was the first to report Murphy was visiting Tennessee. He didn’t catch any flak.
Well Logan Lowery never reported on any drama when he had the rivals site. He is a good journalist, but practically wouldn't pass along recruiting info unless the recruit said it on film or two independent sources signed their life to the information. That site died. These sites live off rumor and drama.
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