Players sitting out already

[HawksRule25]

A healthy player who sits out/doesnt play should lose 1/12th of the money per game they miss from the money the school gives them.

PRetty easy to handle this situation.

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

If Smith walks from tOSU right now he is 100% guaranteed to be a top-3 pick and most likely the #1 pick. You're kidding yourself if you think he's not.

And either way, you're dodging the issue. Now you're saying Smith is dumb for leaving without an offer in hand. That wasn't your earlier point. Your earlier point was that Smith leaving his team and teammates would be a big character red flag for not seeing the entire season through.

But kudos for being honest and saying you'd leave and take the offer. We all would. That's exactly what these top-10 draft picks are doing... eliminating the risk of an injury that would cost them tens of millions of dollars.

It’s not really worth debating, He’s not gonna do it. There is no credible source stating so, it’s purely a bunch of people writing articles giving their opinion saying he should.

However I am gonna say that, He’s not garunteed anything right now. He has the combine, pro day, interviews, team visits, etc. There is a ton of work to do. He has a great chance to go top 3, but it is not 100%. There are plenty of chances to screw this up. You're talking like he can leave OSU, go sit on the couch for 5 months, gain 50 lbs of fat before the draft, and still go top 3.

And no, I did not dodge the issue. It’s still a character flaw when I leave my old company high and dry in your hypothetical too. I just don’t care, I don’t pretend to have integrity lol. An NFL GM who’s tying his entire career to a number 1 pick might care though.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Unless he does sit it out.

Yeah I've seen a ton of wannabe journalists and Twitter burners trying to "speak" this into existence.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

There's very little chance Jeremiah Smith is not the #1 overall pick and there's zero chance he's not taken in the top 5.

NFL GMs and coaches do not hold it against top college players for sitting out games at the end of the season, they probably prefer it because it eliminates their chance of getting hurt and protects their pick.

It truly depends on who ends up with the #1 pick.

The Chargers need a ton of help. My guess is they're not shopping Justin Herbert because they'd take Smith with the #1 pick.

But would the Dolphins or Titans take Smith with the #1 pick? Tennessee probably, but who's gonna throw Smith the ball in Miami?

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

It truly depends on who ends up with the #1 pick.

The Chargers need a ton of help. My guess is they're not shopping Justin Herbert because they'd take Smith with the #1 pick.

But would the Dolphins or Titans take Smith with the #1 pick? Tennessee probably, but who's gonna throw Smith the ball in Miami?

IMO there's a 100% chance Smith is taken in the top-3, and probably an 80% chance he's taken #1 no matter who have the picks. He's just that much better than everybody else at their respective positions.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

IMO there's a 100% chance Smith is taken in the top-3, and probably an 80% chance he's taken #1 no matter who have the picks. He's just that much better than everybody else at their respective positions.

As long as one of those picks belongs to the Vikings, and he gets drafted by the Vikings, then that's fine by me.

 

[7and5baby]

F that noise. Why sit out of ANY football? I would assume these kids actually love the game--we sure do and we aren't great enough to play at that level. ESPECIALLY if you are getting paid big bucks
Plus, any respectable GM wouldn't touch these beyotches that sit out games (Me-first, instead of team-first mentalities--tells me EVERYTHING I need to know)

 

[JerseyCityHawk]

He should be a shoe in for Heisman … he’s a freak of all nature and is probably better than any WR in the pros so yeah, agree with him sitting out for sure

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

F that noise. Why sit out of ANY football? I would assume these kids actually love the game--we sure do and we aren't great enough to play at that level. ESPECIALLY if you are getting paid big bucks
Plus, any respectable GM wouldn't touch these beyotches that sit out games (Me-first, instead of team-first mentalities--tells me EVERYTHING I need to know)

Listening to guys who've never made a fraction of the money that Smith is guaranteed to make talk about what they'd do in his situation is like listening to people who have never had kids giving parenting advice. Lol.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Remember when it used to be aTEAM game. I wonder who has been throwing him the ball for three years, or whose been blocking for the QB to have time to throw him the ball. I guess OSU has a history of this. A few years back one of the Bosa's got injured early in the year, and when he was getting close to returning he decided to concentrate his rehab to get ready for the NFL combine and the draft instead of getting back for the last couple of games. Really, really sad.....

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Contracts time

Contracts time

No doubt. Make him payback the % of his millions a year contract.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

A professional would not sit out games. And I do consider most of college football to be professionals now. They are paid accordingly.

A professional would not sit out games. And I do consider most of college football to be professionals now. They are paid accordingly.

Well he certainly is......

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

I don't like it either but you can't really blame them with $50-$60 million guaranteed on the line.

I don't like it either but you can't really blame them with $50-$60 million guaranteed on the line.

That's why these players take out insurance policies. And again what does that say to the other 10 guys on offense. Hde doesn't get all this without the other guys doing what they do either.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

That would be great for recruiting. Take money away/sue the greatest WR in the history of your program. AKA not going to happen.

True, but if that money came from donors, it might be a good way for some to stop throwing their money away, if guys are sitting out games.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Yea for meaningless bowl games. Nobody has sat out regular season games unless they are injured. There were a few who decided not to play in the 2020 covid season, but that’s not really a comparable situation. Besides, they opted out before the season. Not mid season.

Sitting out the last 3 regular season games when you’re still mathematically in the conference championship game hunt (and therefore playoff hunt with the automatic qualifier) would be catastrophically stupid. The literal definition of quitting on your team and a huge character red flag. Any GM would be a fool to not at least consider that a negative that he will have to answer for in the pre draft interview process.

Bosa sat out games and instead trained for the combine. Maybe its just an OSU thing.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Let's say you've been employed with a company for 3-4 years, making $100,000 a year (nice round number), and have just started a big project that'll take 4-6 months to finish up.

Another, bigger company reaches out to you and says they'll pay you 10 times what you're making now... $1 million a year... for doing essentially the same work.

They say you can either take the offer right now, give your notice to your current employer, and make the move. Or, if you'd prefer, you can stay on with your current employer and see that big project through to the end.

However, they're going to be watching and if there are any problems, issues, delays, areas of concern, etc., with that big project, with its results, or with your performance on it, they're rescinding the offer and offering the position to someone else.

What would you do? Would you stay with your current employer, stay loyal to your current co-workers, and see the project through to the end knowing you'd be risking the other job offer? Or would you give your notice and take the new employer's offer right then and there at $1 million a year?



Answer that question honestly, and you have zero right to criticize college players who are future high draft picks for sitting out games at the end of their seasons.

Let's say you've been employed with a company for 3-4 years, making $100,000 a year (nice round number), and have just started a big project that'll take 4-6 months to finish up.

Another, bigger company reaches out to you and says they'll pay you 10 times what you're making now... $1 million a year... for doing essentially the same work.

They say you can either take the offer right now, give your notice to your current employer, and make the move. Or, if you'd prefer, you can stay on with your current employer and see that big project through to the end.

However, they're going to be watching and if there are any problems, issues, delays, areas of concern, etc., with that big project, with its results, or with your performance on it, they're rescinding the offer and offering the position to someone else.

What would you do? Would you stay with your current employer, stay loyal to your current co-workers, and see the project through to the end knowing you'd be risking the other job offer? Or would you give your notice and take the new employer's offer right then and there at $1 million a year?



Answer that question honestly, and you have zero right to criticize college players who are future high draft picks for sitting out games at the end of their seasons.

Except the "issues of concern" are the teams poor play. He's not being graded on that. There is of course some critique right now that he's already "phoning it in". Joel Klatt said in their last game there were numerous plays where Smith was not running routes full speed, or making his usual sharp cuts. Basically calling it a lack of effort on his part. So maybe Smith has no interest in going 100% for a team that's not winning. In the pro's they call that being a "frontrunner".

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

That's why these players take out insurance policies. And again what does that say to the other 10 guys on offense. Hde doesn't get all this without the other guys doing what they do either.

He doesn't have an insurance policy that's going to pay out upwards of $60 million if he gets hurt. Not even close. That's what he stands to lose by getting injured.

And sorry but Jeremiah Smith's success is not dependent on the guys he has around him. He's a freak of nature who would be dominating no matter where he played. He'll be the best WR to ever come out of Ohio St., and that's saying something.

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

Except the "issues of concern" are the teams poor play. He's not being graded on that. There is of course some critique right now that he's already "phoning it in". Joel Klatt said in their last game there were numerous plays where Smith was not running routes full speed, or making his usual sharp cuts. Basically calling it a lack of effort on his part. So maybe Smith has no interest in going 100% for a team that's not winning. In the pro's they call that being a "frontrunner".

Of course he's not being graded on that.

He'll be a top-3 pick guaranteed and probably go #1 overall. You're kidding yourself if you don't think so or if you think GMs will avoid taking him because he sat out a few games at the end of his college career. Absolute nonsense.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Listening to guys who've never made a fraction of the money that Smith is guaranteed to make talk about what they'd do in his situation is like listening to people who have never had kids giving parenting advice. Lol.

Listening to guys who've never made a fraction of the money that Smith is guaranteed to make talk about what they'd do in his situation is like listening to people who have never had kids giving parenting advice. Lol.

Maybe your right. Let all the top players sit. Maybe as fans were sick of this whole deal the last five + years. Maybe at some point they'll piss off the fans enough, or erode the interest so much that the golden goose will be dead. AND YET, we have people on here shouting from the highest rooftops they can find that WE the average "fans" should be throwing our hard earned money into the pot to pay players who should have the right to decide which games they want to play in, and which ones they'd rather not. Heck of a deal if you can get it.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Of course he's not being graded on that.

He'll be a top-3 pick guaranteed and probably go #1 overall. You're kidding yourself if you don't think so or if you think GMs will avoid taking him because he sat out a few games at the end of his college career. Absolute nonsense.

Where did I say he won't be a top three pick? I said it looks like he's already "phoning it in" so maybe he should stop playing.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

He doesn't have an insurance policy that's going to pay out upwards of $60 million if he gets hurt. Not even close. That's what he stands to lose by getting injured.

And sorry but Jeremiah Smith's success is not dependent on the guys he has around him. He's a freak of nature who would be dominating no matter where he played. He'll be the best WR to ever come out of Ohio St., and that's saying something.

He doesn't have an insurance policy that's going to pay out upwards of $60 million if he gets hurt. Not even close. That's what he stands to lose by getting injured.

And sorry but Jeremiah Smith's success is not dependent on the guys he has around him. He's a freak of nature who would be dominating no matter where he played. He'll be the best WR to ever come out of Ohio St., and that's saying something.

Its pretty obvious he's that good. No one said he's not. Regardless of what team he plays on even a "freak" can't throw himself the ball in the right spot or protect the QB long enough for him to run down field, or am I watching a different game.

 

[TheGuy9]

If everybody on this board realized how much it costs them everytime one of these athletes "gets their's", and is smart enough to realize how that transaction works, I'd bet if any of them did, they'd be singing a different tune too.

English Please.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

The NFL has a set rookie wage scale. Every pick he drops is about $1 mil (at the top of the draft. 2nd half of the 1st round is about 500-800k depending on the spot).

I think it would be safe to say that there would be a couple teams who wouldn’t like it if he quit on his team because they were out of the playoffs. Could make him slide down a couple spots and lose out on a couple mil. IMO it would be very dumb for him to sit out.

Lol

 

[83Hawk]

He doesn't have an insurance policy that's going to pay out upwards of $60 million if he gets hurt. Not even close. That's what he stands to lose by getting injured.

And sorry but Jeremiah Smith's success is not dependent on the guys he has around him. He's a freak of nature who would be dominating no matter where he played. He'll be the best WR to ever come out of Ohio St., and that's saying something.

He’s just a shiny toy…or so I’ve heard.

 

[WeBeHerkin]

The NFL has a set rookie wage scale. Every pick he drops is about $1 mil (at the top of the draft. 2nd half of the 1st round is about 500-800k depending on the spot).

I think it would be safe to say that there would be a couple teams who wouldn’t like it if he quit on his team because they were out of the playoffs. Could make him slide down a couple spots and lose out on a couple mil. IMO it would be very dumb for him to sit out.

Doesn't impact all the endorsements this dude is gonna get. He may just says his wenis hurts and put him on the injury list.

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

Maybe your right. Let all the top players sit. Maybe as fans were sick of this whole deal the last five + years. Maybe at some point they'll piss off the fans enough, or erode the interest so much that the golden goose will be dead. AND YET, we have people on here shouting from the highest rooftops they can find that WE the average "fans" should be throwing our hard earned money into the pot to pay players who should have the right to decide which games they want to play in, and which ones they'd rather not. Heck of a deal if you can get it.

If you go back and read my initial post about all of this, I said I don't like it either. All I'm saying is that I understand why they're doing it. Let's not forget that many of these players don't exactly come from a privileged socioeconomic background. Some of their families are dirt poor. I'm not going to rip on a kid for sitting out a few games at the end of their college career as a way to guarantee a lifechanging NFL contract just because it hurts my fandom feelies.

 

[AndreTheHawk]

Maybe your right. Let all the top players sit. Maybe as fans were sick of this whole deal the last five + years. Maybe at some point they'll piss off the fans enough, or erode the interest so much that the golden goose will be dead. AND YET, we have people on here shouting from the highest rooftops they can find that WE the average "fans" should be throwing our hard earned money into the pot to pay players who should have the right to decide which games they want to play in, and which ones they'd rather not. Heck of a deal if you can get it.

And the CFP has now went to 24 games, which FANS are OVERWHELMING against. Did "they" care? Nope, we all know why. History has proven that the golden goose always gets cooked in the end, you eventually run out of other people's money, etc. Tick-Tock..............

 

[Palmerhawk]

I remember how marvin harrison jr. was the last freak outta OSU.
Got traded last week by cardinals..where he was a bust.
Ryan Phillips of bama was the other frosh phenom at wr in smiths class......he has faded.
Wrs are divas in NFL.
Smith seems like a team player and doubt he wants to lumped in with guys like Aj brown and
Diggs.
I bet he plays vs Michigan and other league goes...bowl game..no.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

If you go back and read my initial post about all of this, I said I don't like it either. All I'm saying is that I understand why they're doing it. Let's not forget that many of these players don't exactly come from a privileged socioeconomic background. Some of their families are dirt poor. I'm not going to rip on a kid for sitting out a few games at the end of their college career as a way to guarantee a lifechanging NFL contract just because it hurts my fandom feelies.

If you go back and read my initial post about all of this, I said I don't like it either. All I'm saying is that I understand why they're doing it. Let's not forget that many of these players don't exactly come from a privileged socioeconomic background. Some of their families are dirt poor. I'm not going to rip on a kid for sitting out a few games at the end of their college career as a way to guarantee a lifechanging NFL contract just because it hurts my fandom feelies.

I get what your saying. Still he's made many times over just in his time at OSU, what I've saved in 50 years of hard work and now retired. I mean I'll be fine financially, but this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous, so yes, I've got more than just a burr under my blanket about a KID getting 5 million dollars a year to play a team sport, and walking out on the team when it no longer suits his interest. (I realize this is hypothetical at this point, but it is the topic we're discussing). Sorry for the rants.