Pitt Player Arrested.
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If you ever want to discuss actual football, let me know. If you're going to continue to act like a juvenile who just saw his first boob, I've got no time for you. And not only can habitual drunk drivers drive, they can play football for Pitt.
If you ever want to discuss actual football, let me know. If you're going to continue to act like a juvenile who just saw his first boob, I've got no time for you. And not only can habitual drunk drivers drive, they can play football for Pitt.
Please, take your filthy demented minds back to you own kind on the BWI BOARD.
The hatred isn't healthy...let it go. Watch your blood pressure, getting all worked up over college football isn't worth it dude.
The proper response would go something like this: That was an unfortunate situation and all of the Penn State family feels bad about these horible events. The University has taken steps to educate all parties involved with the University, so this tragic history will not be repeated here and hopefully elsewhere.
The whole denial by part of the fan base gives the whole Penn State family a black eye and fuel those that thought the death penality should have been used.
Too bad you're only outraged because it's Penn State...your hatred is showing through. Why are you not posting about an apology from Michigan State, Baylor, the Citadel, Syracuse? No, it's just Penn State. Your hatred is showing through. And what you posted has already happened....it doesn't matter, due to your hatred for Penn State it wouldn't matter what anyone said or did. Everyone involved has been fired, is in jail or died. Let it go.
If you ever want to discuss actual football, let me know. If you're going to continue to act like a juvenile who just saw his first boob, I've got no time for you. And not only can habitual drunk drivers drive, they can play football for Pitt.
Football? LOL? You didn't chirp in here to talk football. Your insecurities about the stain you wear is good stuff. Own and embrace the Sandusky stain! Accept Joe knew all about his boy, Sandusky. All of your child rape enabler cultist brothers refuse to accept the obvious. Step away and be a leader.
Pitt deals with kids drinking. Hmmmm! Penn State deals with child rape. Hmmm!
Does your mother know you're on the Internet? You're obviously like 16 years old at the most because if you're older than that then you have serious problems. Maybe it's time your grow up.
You guys are on our site clamming the rapes did not happen and act surprised any reacts to this. I don't hate Penn State. Really could give to ***** about Penn State truth be told. But you guys are just sick wack jobs that need to go away.
Probably not. I'm 65 and mom passed away some years ago. Hopefully, you're not a necrophile too.
AWS1022, post: 1549171, member: 4840"]The trials showed there was no conspiracy or cover up. 22 felony counts reduced to three misdemeanors with one of those pending appeal...spin that anyway you want, but it all proves this wasn't the big, bad conspiracy the media made it out to be.
Really...blame it on the Media? The Paterno's still said Joe should have done more, so did Curley & Schultz and the Paterno Family agrees it is fair criticism!
Curley & Schultz Under Oath did say the 2004 Emails were about Joe Paterno "being Uncomfortable In Going to Authorities?"
The Department of Education Investigation and Highest Fines In History did not blame the Media either? They cited Joe Paterno problems within his Football Program.
Penn State Spanier promoted The Second Mile you complained about above, and made Jerry Sandusky Professor Emeritus with an Office on Campus and Snadusky sat in The President Penn State Luxury Box all the time even as more Children were being abused but Spanier, Curley, Schultz and Paterno remain silent? What Media did that?
Finally, what about Jerry Sandusky Convictions did the Media do that or a Jury just like Spanier? Sandusky was Penn State Player, Alumnus, Coach and Employee did the Media hire him retire him and Spanier brought him back to abuse again and remain in silent!
Paterno, Schultz,and Curley all admitted in with the benefit of hindsight they should have done more?
What Media Conspiracy caused those irrefutable Facts?
Really...blame it on the Media? The Paterno's still said Joe should have done more, so did Curley & Schultz and the Paterno Family agrees it is fair criticism!
Curley & Schultz Under Oath did say the 2004 Emails were about Joe Paterno "being Uncomfortable In Going to Authorities?"
The Department of Education Investigation and Highest Fines In History did not blame the Media either? They cited Joe Paterno problems within his Football Program.
Penn State Spanier promoted The Second Mile you complained about above, and made Jerry Sandusky Professor Emeritus with an Office on Campus and Snadusky sat in The President Penn State Luxury Box all the time even as more Children were being abused but Spanier, Curley, Schultz and Paterno remain silent? What Media did that?
Finally, what about Jerry Sandusky Convictions did the Media do that or a Jury just like Spanier? Sandusky was Penn State Player, Alumnus, Coach and Employee did the Media hire him retire him and Spanier brought him back to abuse again and remain in silent!
Paterno, Schultz,and Curley all admitted in with the benefit of hindsight they should have done more?
What Media Conspiracy caused those irrefutable Facts?
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Where did I post the rapes didn't happen? I posted it wasn't this big conspiracy/cover up the media claims it was and many people bought into simply because of their hatred for Penn State. No one seems to be bothered when it occurs at other schools and the outrage over what happened at Michigan State should be equal or greater, but it's not...hmm, wonder why.
There's so much more to it than what you posted that I'm not going to try and explain it to you. I know you've followed it because you're pretty obsessed with Penn State, but if you really think that Paterno knew but still let Sandusky babysit his kids and grandkids then you're crazy and can't be reasoned with. With the benefit of hindsight means knowing what he knows now...which means he didn't know it at the time. I get that people have made their mind up and will only see what they want to see, and that's fine. If it was 99% of the other schools this happened at you nor anyone else on this board would give a **** and wouldn't even mention it (see Michigan State). And apparently it makes fans of other teams feel superior when they throw Sandusky in the face of every Penn State poster and that's fine too. Whatever makes everyone happy. Bottom line is if you really think about it seriously and remove the hatred, why would Spanier give Sandusky emeritus status if he really knew? Why would Paterno let Sandusky babysit his grandkids if he really knew? Everyone is judging people based on what we know now not what was known back then.
So when someone has zero tolerance for the disgusting views on child rape that you guys excuse and then there is zero tolerance for the complete breakdown of Penn State leadership to protect children from future rape you and your Penn pals see immaturity? You are a scum bags that place a 15-20 year middle of the pack Big Ten football program ahead of protecting children from your DC, HC and admin. Paterno ended up being a scum bag and you obviously are a scum bag as well.
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Why does the AWS clown go from board to board to defend the stain that is Penn State? I saw him over on a Marshall board doing the exact same things he's doing here about two or three weeks ago.
Right...keep telling yourself that if it makes you fell better. Go have a juice box Skipper.
Just say no to child rape! And Penn State losers that think Paterno and Sandusky got a raw deal. Hit the Main Board for some really tough abuse loser.
Classic new low LOL. Now Penn State is a victim. I know a lot of PSU grads. Hired several. They are great. You and the other scum cultist are disgusting.
Why does the AWS clown go from board to board to defend the stain that is Penn State? I saw him over on a Marshall board doing the exact same things he's doing here about two or three weeks ago.
Wow! What a scum loser AWS is!!!
Stalker alert!Why does the AWS clown go from board to board to defend the stain that is Penn State? I saw him over on a Marshall board doing the exact same things he's doing here about two or three weeks ago.
Whatever you say Skipper. Now you're piggybacking off another post...very original. You're not very smart.
What is wrong with you? He was convicted of raping children. How are you defending him?
Driving under the influence, careless driving, reckless driving, failure to drive at a safe speed, accidents involving damage to unattended vehicles, and operation of a vehicle without an official certificate Kids will be driving under the influence, careless driving, reckless driving, failure to drive at a safe speed, accidents involving damage to unattended vehicles, and operation of a vehicle without an official certificate Kids. They're so cute at this age.
"AWS1022, post: 1550154, member: 4840"]There's so much more to it than what you posted that I'm not going to try and explain it to you.
The reason is you can't explain it and it is time for you to accept it! This all happen of, by, and at Penn State and can't be erased! Even Penn State Fans and alumni attack other Penn State Trustees, Former president and Former Athletic Directors that fixed it by putting in Penn State 2012 athletic Integrity reforms ignored by even Paterno Ear football as seen 3 Independent Investigations. As well as, including the Paterno family Paid for Investigation that admitted Joe should have done more?
I know you've followed it because you're pretty obsessed with Penn State, but if you really think that Paterno knew but still let Sandusky babysit his kids and grandkids then you're crazy and can't be reasoned with.
Not really, I admire much of Penn State and WVU too. I just correct the record on Penn State Fans like you that are obsessed with Penn State and Paterno staying silent while children were abused at Penn State by a Penn State Coach, Graduate and Employee rewarded Penn State Professor Emeritus Status by a Convicted Penn State Criminal President? The same way you can't explain it and try to blame the Media??? All of CFB are tired it as well as all of your obsessions promote conspiracy theories you can prove?
With the benefit of hindsight means knowing what he knows now...which means he didn't know it at the time.
Except there are Swore Depositions Under Oath in te PMA Insurance case ruled on by a Judge that shows Joe wa stold in 1976 and 1980s and the investigation git Joe to retire Sandusky in his prime in 1999, and 2011 Joe was uncomfortable in reporting Sandusky to the authorities and still remain silent as other children were abused by Sandusky as President Spanier promoted Sandusky and the Second Mile????
You even posetd the The Second Mile in hindsight should have been investigated more as well? Again, you can't run away from what happen at Penn State under Paterno Era Football watch by attacking Media, PAOAG, and other Posters and then saying you can't explain it and they are obsessed with Penn State, when clearly only you are as you attack Penn State Leadership that changed it!
I get that people have made their mind up and will only see what they want to see, and that's fine. If it was 99% of the other schools this happened at you nor anyone else on this board would give a **** and wouldn't even mention it (see Michigan State).
I quite agree Baylor and now MSU must also address what happen there and they have a Model of Compliance now in what Penn State did to correct those problems and that is a credit to Penn State leadership that stand up for Penn State 2012 Athletic Integrity Reforms put it under NCAA Sanctions Monitor on Campus. In hindsight, PSU in 2012 did far more right things than Paterno ever did in Hindsight for not doing more, yet you condemn the Media, other Posters and Penn State itself?
And apparently it makes fans of other teams feel superior when they throw Sandusky in the face of every Penn State poster and that's fine too.
Once again you are confused and why you admit you can't explain it. It is because Paterno went around preaching his Football Program was superior to all others, when in actuality Joe refused to retire, did not follow nor put in Big Ten Athletic Integrity and interfere with US Laws on Clery Act and Title IX Agreements, and remain silent on all of it to stay longer at Penn State when he should have retired, in hindsight? Joe was caught throwing rocks at all other Football Programs while his own Glass House was full of Criminals and Lacking Athletic integrity! and Fans like you bought into it and were just as misled in hindsight and why you can't explain what happen now at PSU now? You own Obsessions just like Paterno's actually ended up shameing Penn State name no one else. Time for you to admit and accept it and wake up, Penn State is the Institution not Paterno!
Joe actually cried knowing his reputation was ruined by what what he did not do before he died! Joe did many great things and I respect his coaching and building the program, but Joe stayed way too long, made serious misjudgments, and made peace with his maker by admitting eh should have done more, and his own family acknowledged it as well in their own paid for report. Time for you to do the same and quit blaming the Media and other Posters!
Whatever makes everyone happy. Bottom line is if you really think about it seriously and remove the hatred, why would Spanier give Sandusky emeritus status if he really knew?
President could have taken the stand and answer that but had a right not to do it under the Constitutions and advice of his lawyers and chose not to do it, and is now convicted felon as soon as sentenced, so ask him, no one else. Curly and Schultz admitted under oath that Paterno was Coach that felt uncomfortable to report Sandusky to authorities and in hindsight wished they had done more too, and Sandusky was convicted on over 40 counts by a mostly PSU Alumni Jury and Spanier was convicted by PSU Alumni too!
Children weer abused Sandusky and Spanier allow it to happen afterwards again by his silence and thought the emails were destroyed, but Freeh found them, and Curley & Schultz finally told the truth under oath too! accept it, quit blaming others.
Why would Paterno let Sandusky babysit his grandkids if he really knew?
Much of The Paterno paid Retort Report to Freeh now has many errors. I agree in part with some of it, but has been proven wrong in important parts now too. For example, It is my belief and it is just my own, when Joe was told in 1976 and 1980s a few times by victims and that Sandusky abused him, Joe just did not believe them? It is known Pedophile Predators preys on Disadvantaged Children from broken Homes known to be less honest and in trouble often and Sandusky created The Second Mile to do it. It is perfectly reasonable back in the 1970s and 80s and even 90s, that if Joe confronted Sandusky, Jerry would or could have said, look Joe I am helping those liars to quit being trouble makers? Especially, no one would talk about those things back then or even Domestic Spousal Abuse would remain quiet. One just did not talk about those things back then and if you didn't believe it, you would remain quiet thinking it was lie too, as Sandusky would say they are troubled kids? (Again, Joe's Hindsight Is Far More Inclusive Than Just 1998-2201)
However, as time went on and by 1998 the DA Crigar nvestigation arrived and now Joe is starting to realize this has happen before and now again. Even Gricar refused to prosecute, but Joe got Jerry to retire, but Spanier brought him back because The Second Mile was very valuable to PSU Image! I believe Sue & jay Paterno too, when she said she did not know about Sandusky when their own children and grand children played with him. Jerry was a practical joker too and that covered for him too. I don't think Joe believed it when told in 1970s-80s is my point, and why repeat or tell Sue or Jay if Joe himself didn't believe it either even if told in 70s-80s, one or two times by children known to be troubled kids. But come 1998 Investigation, Sandusky sudden retirement in 1999, and 2002 McQueary reporting and then Joe uncomfortable to report it in the emails especially in the middle of his losing 4 of 5 season, and Spanier thinking all emails weer destroyed when emails servers were replaced, Joe at some point knew because he did awyer up before teh Grand Jury and told the truth like McQueary it was a sexual inappropriate touching, as Schultz, Curley and Spanier said they were told it was Horseplay and stand by it still today, but told on Spanier that was only indicted after Emails were found, and finally told the full truth why they did not report it, to their regret too in hindsight, while more children were abused.
Three Other Why I believe it:
1, Sandusky admitted publicly he was abused by their fathers as children. This is a pattern of Pedophiles and find troubled children to prey.
2. Sandusky own adopted Son said he was abused too and now does a crusade to explain how to identify and stop it. Also, Sandusky other Adopted Son has just been arrested for under age sexual charges just recently.
3. It is well know by Investigators that Abused Children often remain silent out of shame and if they talk later recant it did not happen. Sandusky got to the first Victims with bribes and threats that kept recanting then as more children were found, they finally stood by their truths too in spite of having to be embarrassed of lying. This is also why it took so long to investigate 2008 to 2011 until the Grand Jury finally voted to Indict, Sandusky, Curley, and Schultz and later Spanier. Joe did report it and told the truth on what he was told by McQueary while The other 3 said it was just Horseplay but Emails convicted and pleaded them all. Joe was dead by then, but his testimony differs from them.
Everyone is judging people based on what we know now not what was known back then.
I agree in part, and outlined above and because Joe & McQueary did not lie to the Grand Jury they were not Indicted, but CSS were and they had a Great Defense Teams as they should paid by PSU that got charges dismissed but AG Kane did not appeal to put some back in since she got in trouble too. However, the PMA Insurance acse revealed Joe was told in 1970s. Judge ruled PMA did not have to pay and PSU is trying to recoup Defense Money paid from Spanier an d his Severance Settlemnet too!
Part of the problem PSU Fans like you don't understand, is that Joe Paterno was Obsessed in winning football games and building a program to do it and is all he cared about with his family. Sure that is to be admired as I do too. Yet, Joe stayed too long and became bigger then the University from that success that created a Penn State Football Culture obsessed to protect it and it took Criminal Acts on Children to expose and correct it got Joe help influence not following University Athletic Integrity Compliance's and Spanier admited he did not know Penn State was not doing it either, but he defended The Second Mile and Program and refused to tell the Trustees what happen, so they Fired both and in hindsight Joe spoke out but Spanier still remains silent?
Joe Blind Obsession created the Penn State Football Culture Obsession that turned into Penn State Fans Obsessions only his Program did everything right when in fact it actually caused an arrogance of thinking only he had athletic Integrity and all 3 Investigations proved he was wrong, and in Hindsight Joe Knew too!
It was Unintentional in my opinion, but others differ, but in any case, you are proof of it by your obsession blaming others for it when it all happen at Penn State by only Penn Staters and you did read the 3 Independent Investigations, Grand Jury Transcript, and Trials Transcript that admitted in hindsight Joe was right, and should have done more than just protect his Program.
The other proof is Penn State Leadership had to correct what Joe refused to do in his blinded view only Joe knew about Athletic Integrity and Penn State is better today in correcting Paterno Era's Errors and is a Model of Athletic Compliance!
So only you can stop the Obsessions thinking how the world is all wrong and you are all right, but explain it? Quit drinking the kool aide....Joe is dead and his Legacy of Ashes with him, he cried about his Hindsight and Children weer abused because he did not do more, as Paterno's family admitted too!
The reason is you can't explain it and it is time for you to accept it! This all happen of, by, and at Penn State and can't be erased! Even Penn State Fans and alumni attack other Penn State Trustees, Former president and Former Athletic Directors that fixed it by putting in Penn State 2012 athletic Integrity reforms ignored by even Paterno Ear football as seen 3 Independent Investigations. As well as, including the Paterno family Paid for Investigation that admitted Joe should have done more?
I know you've followed it because you're pretty obsessed with Penn State, but if you really think that Paterno knew but still let Sandusky babysit his kids and grandkids then you're crazy and can't be reasoned with.
Not really, I admire much of Penn State and WVU too. I just correct the record on Penn State Fans like you that are obsessed with Penn State and Paterno staying silent while children were abused at Penn State by a Penn State Coach, Graduate and Employee rewarded Penn State Professor Emeritus Status by a Convicted Penn State Criminal President? The same way you can't explain it and try to blame the Media??? All of CFB are tired it as well as all of your obsessions promote conspiracy theories you can prove?
With the benefit of hindsight means knowing what he knows now...which means he didn't know it at the time.
Except there are Swore Depositions Under Oath in te PMA Insurance case ruled on by a Judge that shows Joe wa stold in 1976 and 1980s and the investigation git Joe to retire Sandusky in his prime in 1999, and 2011 Joe was uncomfortable in reporting Sandusky to the authorities and still remain silent as other children were abused by Sandusky as President Spanier promoted Sandusky and the Second Mile????
You even posetd the The Second Mile in hindsight should have been investigated more as well? Again, you can't run away from what happen at Penn State under Paterno Era Football watch by attacking Media, PAOAG, and other Posters and then saying you can't explain it and they are obsessed with Penn State, when clearly only you are as you attack Penn State Leadership that changed it!
I get that people have made their mind up and will only see what they want to see, and that's fine. If it was 99% of the other schools this happened at you nor anyone else on this board would give a **** and wouldn't even mention it (see Michigan State).
I quite agree Baylor and now MSU must also address what happen there and they have a Model of Compliance now in what Penn State did to correct those problems and that is a credit to Penn State leadership that stand up for Penn State 2012 Athletic Integrity Reforms put it under NCAA Sanctions Monitor on Campus. In hindsight, PSU in 2012 did far more right things than Paterno ever did in Hindsight for not doing more, yet you condemn the Media, other Posters and Penn State itself?
And apparently it makes fans of other teams feel superior when they throw Sandusky in the face of every Penn State poster and that's fine too.
Once again you are confused and why you admit you can't explain it. It is because Paterno went around preaching his Football Program was superior to all others, when in actuality Joe refused to retire, did not follow nor put in Big Ten Athletic Integrity and interfere with US Laws on Clery Act and Title IX Agreements, and remain silent on all of it to stay longer at Penn State when he should have retired, in hindsight? Joe was caught throwing rocks at all other Football Programs while his own Glass House was full of Criminals and Lacking Athletic integrity! and Fans like you bought into it and were just as misled in hindsight and why you can't explain what happen now at PSU now? You own Obsessions just like Paterno's actually ended up shameing Penn State name no one else. Time for you to admit and accept it and wake up, Penn State is the Institution not Paterno!
Joe actually cried knowing his reputation was ruined by what what he did not do before he died! Joe did many great things and I respect his coaching and building the program, but Joe stayed way too long, made serious misjudgments, and made peace with his maker by admitting eh should have done more, and his own family acknowledged it as well in their own paid for report. Time for you to do the same and quit blaming the Media and other Posters!
Whatever makes everyone happy. Bottom line is if you really think about it seriously and remove the hatred, why would Spanier give Sandusky emeritus status if he really knew?
President could have taken the stand and answer that but had a right not to do it under the Constitutions and advice of his lawyers and chose not to do it, and is now convicted felon as soon as sentenced, so ask him, no one else. Curly and Schultz admitted under oath that Paterno was Coach that felt uncomfortable to report Sandusky to authorities and in hindsight wished they had done more too, and Sandusky was convicted on over 40 counts by a mostly PSU Alumni Jury and Spanier was convicted by PSU Alumni too!
Children weer abused Sandusky and Spanier allow it to happen afterwards again by his silence and thought the emails were destroyed, but Freeh found them, and Curley & Schultz finally told the truth under oath too! accept it, quit blaming others.
Why would Paterno let Sandusky babysit his grandkids if he really knew?
Much of The Paterno paid Retort Report to Freeh now has many errors. I agree in part with some of it, but has been proven wrong in important parts now too. For example, It is my belief and it is just my own, when Joe was told in 1976 and 1980s a few times by victims and that Sandusky abused him, Joe just did not believe them? It is known Pedophile Predators preys on Disadvantaged Children from broken Homes known to be less honest and in trouble often and Sandusky created The Second Mile to do it. It is perfectly reasonable back in the 1970s and 80s and even 90s, that if Joe confronted Sandusky, Jerry would or could have said, look Joe I am helping those liars to quit being trouble makers? Especially, no one would talk about those things back then or even Domestic Spousal Abuse would remain quiet. One just did not talk about those things back then and if you didn't believe it, you would remain quiet thinking it was lie too, as Sandusky would say they are troubled kids? (Again, Joe's Hindsight Is Far More Inclusive Than Just 1998-2201)
However, as time went on and by 1998 the DA Crigar nvestigation arrived and now Joe is starting to realize this has happen before and now again. Even Gricar refused to prosecute, but Joe got Jerry to retire, but Spanier brought him back because The Second Mile was very valuable to PSU Image! I believe Sue & jay Paterno too, when she said she did not know about Sandusky when their own children and grand children played with him. Jerry was a practical joker too and that covered for him too. I don't think Joe believed it when told in 1970s-80s is my point, and why repeat or tell Sue or Jay if Joe himself didn't believe it either even if told in 70s-80s, one or two times by children known to be troubled kids. But come 1998 Investigation, Sandusky sudden retirement in 1999, and 2002 McQueary reporting and then Joe uncomfortable to report it in the emails especially in the middle of his losing 4 of 5 season, and Spanier thinking all emails weer destroyed when emails servers were replaced, Joe at some point knew because he did awyer up before teh Grand Jury and told the truth like McQueary it was a sexual inappropriate touching, as Schultz, Curley and Spanier said they were told it was Horseplay and stand by it still today, but told on Spanier that was only indicted after Emails were found, and finally told the full truth why they did not report it, to their regret too in hindsight, while more children were abused.
Three Other Why I believe it:
1, Sandusky admitted publicly he was abused by their fathers as children. This is a pattern of Pedophiles and find troubled children to prey.
2. Sandusky own adopted Son said he was abused too and now does a crusade to explain how to identify and stop it. Also, Sandusky other Adopted Son has just been arrested for under age sexual charges just recently.
3. It is well know by Investigators that Abused Children often remain silent out of shame and if they talk later recant it did not happen. Sandusky got to the first Victims with bribes and threats that kept recanting then as more children were found, they finally stood by their truths too in spite of having to be embarrassed of lying. This is also why it took so long to investigate 2008 to 2011 until the Grand Jury finally voted to Indict, Sandusky, Curley, and Schultz and later Spanier. Joe did report it and told the truth on what he was told by McQueary while The other 3 said it was just Horseplay but Emails convicted and pleaded them all. Joe was dead by then, but his testimony differs from them.
Everyone is judging people based on what we know now not what was known back then.
I agree in part, and outlined above and because Joe & McQueary did not lie to the Grand Jury they were not Indicted, but CSS were and they had a Great Defense Teams as they should paid by PSU that got charges dismissed but AG Kane did not appeal to put some back in since she got in trouble too. However, the PMA Insurance acse revealed Joe was told in 1970s. Judge ruled PMA did not have to pay and PSU is trying to recoup Defense Money paid from Spanier an d his Severance Settlemnet too!
Part of the problem PSU Fans like you don't understand, is that Joe Paterno was Obsessed in winning football games and building a program to do it and is all he cared about with his family. Sure that is to be admired as I do too. Yet, Joe stayed too long and became bigger then the University from that success that created a Penn State Football Culture obsessed to protect it and it took Criminal Acts on Children to expose and correct it got Joe help influence not following University Athletic Integrity Compliance's and Spanier admited he did not know Penn State was not doing it either, but he defended The Second Mile and Program and refused to tell the Trustees what happen, so they Fired both and in hindsight Joe spoke out but Spanier still remains silent?
Joe Blind Obsession created the Penn State Football Culture Obsession that turned into Penn State Fans Obsessions only his Program did everything right when in fact it actually caused an arrogance of thinking only he had athletic Integrity and all 3 Investigations proved he was wrong, and in Hindsight Joe Knew too!
It was Unintentional in my opinion, but others differ, but in any case, you are proof of it by your obsession blaming others for it when it all happen at Penn State by only Penn Staters and you did read the 3 Independent Investigations, Grand Jury Transcript, and Trials Transcript that admitted in hindsight Joe was right, and should have done more than just protect his Program.
The other proof is Penn State Leadership had to correct what Joe refused to do in his blinded view only Joe knew about Athletic Integrity and Penn State is better today in correcting Paterno Era's Errors and is a Model of Athletic Compliance!
So only you can stop the Obsessions thinking how the world is all wrong and you are all right, but explain it? Quit drinking the kool aide....Joe is dead and his Legacy of Ashes with him, he cried about his Hindsight and Children weer abused because he did not do more, as Paterno's family admitted too!
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It is time to Thank You for all the Wonderful Opportunities to set the Truth about Penn State straight due to your ignorance and arrogance to refute the Truth, as seen in your one liners that can't prove otherwise against Children Molestation's Depositions, Testimony, all Under Oath.
Even the Paterno Family admits they care about and believe what happen to Children by Jerry Sandusky a Recruit, Player, Coach, Alumnus, Employee and Professor Emeritus brought to Penn State by Joseph Vincent Paterno was a mistake and admit Joe should have done more publicly.
You do a great job of allowing others to correct the Nittany Liars like yourself that can't handle the Truth from the Children Victims, Current Penn State Trustees & Leadership, Jurors, and Great Penn State BWI Rival's Posters that make fun of you doing it any many names you have shame and stain Penn State name by your behavior!
The facts remain Penn State is better now and it took many Crimes & Misdemeanors to Clean it Up, and without you no one would know the full truth!
Again, with gratitude your obsessions are part of Penn State Football Confessions!
Concessions Accepted With Citations On The Truth Above Refuting Your Beliefs!
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So much time and so much energy to be so wrong. I do not have the time or the energy to debunk pretty much everything you said and you wouldn't listen anyway, so there's no sense. When you're citing Matt Sandusky and the PMA Insurance case as evidence of your argument, then you're way off and then throw in the Freeh Report (which was paid to get a specific outcome) yet you throw the Paterno Report under the bus because the Paterno paid for it.
Matt Sandusky was adopted by Jerry because Matt asked him to at the age of 18! Yeah, a lot of abuse there. Matt also said he was never abused until the checks started getting handed out.
The situations brought up in the insurance case from the 70's have all been disproved and were never about anything more than an insurance company trying to stick with their exclusion so they don't have to pay.
And you accuse Joe of covering up but then say Joe didn't know...it can't be both ways. He either knew and covered it up or didn't know so he couldn't have covered it up. And you never really answered the question that if he knew why would he let his kids get babysat by Sandusky? I don't expect an answer nor do I expect anything I post to change your mind, so since this is a WVU board we should have dropped this discussion a long time ago.
"AWS1022, post: 1551265, member: 4840"]So much time and so much energy to be so wrong. I do not have the time or the energy to debunk pretty much everything you said and you wouldn't listen anyway, so there's no sense. When you're citing Matt Sandusky and the PMA Insurance case as evidence of your argument, then you're way off and then throw in the Freeh Report (which was paid to get a specific outcome) yet you throw the Paterno Report under the bus because the Paterno paid for it.
Give it up son, you just saying because you can't explain it, is your Absence Of Evidence is not Evidence! especially aginst Sword sdepositions Udner Oath that judge revealed and ruled in favor of PMA Insurance not having pay Penn State? You can Google it to educate yourself!
Matt Sandusky was adopted by Jerry because Matt asked him to at the age of 18! Yeah, a lot of abuse there. Matt also said he was never abused until the checks started getting handed out.
Matt was Abused and Penn State Settled and was prepared to testify and talks about in his Against children Abuse Crusade today! Jerry Sandusky admitted he was abused too. Are you saying Matt Sandusky is a Nittany Liar as well? Well, if you are then it exposes just refutes more Bullship on the Paterno's Grand Experimenter to graduate Success with Honor since Jerry was a PSU Alumnus too? Again, you refute yourself and this just proves Penn State had Criminals in Joe's Programs just like ESPN & NCAA sanctions and Education Department proved too!
Add in Children Under Oath have said it too. But you blame the Media? LOL!
The situations brought up in the insurance case from the 70's have all been disproved and were never about anything more than an insurance company trying to stick with their exclusion so they don't have to pay.
No they have not, please give us a Citation with a Link and Judge revealed the Depositions that are under oath and the media is waiting for all Information to come out now as they petitioned, Judge ruled PMA Insurance did not have to pay Penn State on his aspects of his ruling and Penn State has settled that too. Also, Penn State is going after Spanier for Severance Repayment and Defense Repayment too. You can google it to refute yourself on what you cannot cite!
And you accuse Joe of covering up but then say Joe didn't know...it can't be both ways.
The Department of Education Clery Act and Title IX Investigation quoted it, and gave Penn State largest Fines in US Educational History and that was just revealed last years, 5 years after Paterno Died and not refuted by anyone as Penn State paid the Fines. You have provided nothing otherwise much as most of your Posts had to be corrected with Links in above with Citations! You just saying it is not not proof of anything either.
Additionally, I said that and gave a reasonable plausible explanation why back in 1976 when in the PMA Case Joe was told, Is aid I could see why Joe may not believe it, and others differ from me and that is their opinions. At that same time, Joe did know and said in hindsight he should have done more. Paterno family confirmed it too in the Citation Link I gave you! If you want to refute them go ahead.
Moreover, I still defend Joe being a Great Coach and Builder of a Program, because that is the truth of what Joe did too. But Joe made mistakes as he got older and the Paterno Family Quote Agrees as i posted, Clery Investigation Fines too, and you can't refute unless you want to call the Paterno's Nittany Liars on that too? You got to put up Verifiable Link on it too, unlike you just saying it.
He either knew and covered it up or didn't know so he couldn't have covered it up.
Nope, that is your Brain Pain and made up Hypo, it does not work that way if you read all the Reports and Investigations. Joe like anyone had to recount when he was 88 and having cancer before Grand Jury everything from 2002, 1998, and PMA Insurance case shows it went back to 1976. We also know Jerry Sandusky is a Child Molested Convicted Felon. The Schultz Emails found Freeh, that led to PAOAG Spanier Indictments, and PMA Case, and Clery Act & Title IX Findings and Fines, all came after Joe Died, but Joe did tell the Truth as he knew it at the Grand Jury!
And you never really answered the question that if he knew why would he let his kids get babysat by Sandusky?
I did, I still believe Joe did not believe it in 1976, and he did get Jerry to retire in 1999, and Joe did not tell anyone about 1976 either, and Penn State Paid for that Confidential Settlements beyond the Statue of Limitations to keep it Confidential until PMA revealed it? Now Media wants all the Files and pending approval. so, to be clear, even if Joe was told in 1976, if he did not believe it, and Sandusky lied about it to Joe, Joe discounted it is understandable............BUT at some point in time, as Joe Stated, "With The Benefit Of Hindsight Should Have Done More!" Curley & Schultz said it a Trial too and cited the Emails that Coach Paterno was "Uncomfortable In Going to Authorities!" Patreno own Family Quoted saying Joe made mistakes too and agreed Joe should have done more? yet, they never said when either, so that is on Paterno's and you too to tell us?
I don't expect an answer nor do I expect anything I post to change your mind, so since this is a WVU board we should have dropped this discussion a long time ago.
I gave you answers with links and citations and you just don't accept them nor can refute them with your own links or citations, plus the Convictions and 3 Independent Investigations and NCAA Sanctions Fines and Educational Fines and Penn State Confidential Sealed Settlements pending publication by Media First Amendment Rights and Victim's Books wanting to publish them too.
There is also the Paterno, PS4RS, and Alumni Lawsuits that all of sudden have come to dead halt and Jay is now a Trustees? maybe they will reveal more or be settled confidentially sealed too?
But it is time for many Penn State Fans to accept Obsessions Confessions Concessions this College Football Scandal Happen during the Paterno's Era's Errors and Omissions, but is over now that the Penn State 2102 Athletic Integrity Reform Policies I linked above are over, and thank the Trustees, Erickson, and Joyner that brought in James Franking having PSU Back in the Top Ten and a Contender for CFB National Championship Invitations with Athletic Integrity Compliance's!
At the same time, there is nothing wrong in admiring what Paterno did right with his foretaste of having a mighty vision what "Joe Knew" on how to build a National Powerful Program that some PSO Posters condemn current PSU Trustees selecting James Franklin is taking to greater heights! As well as, the nobility of the Paterno Family saying Joe made mistakes too in hindsight. I believe Joe & the Patreno Family did more rights than wrongs and I take abuse for saying it, but that is on me.
Good Luck in 2017, and WVU Too! Pitt is still rebuilding and have no one to blame but Pitt itself, and will need more time, but so little done and so much to do, but I have always respected all 3 Universities and still feel they are better together, but if not, time to play each other more often at least, a mistake Joe made in 1990s and Pitt with WVU that needs reversed.
Good luck it is my dream to see WVU, Pitt, ND and Penn State in the CFB NCS Invitations Playoffs someday! PSU is nearer to that follow by WVU, but Pitt and ND still have a road to hoe.
Give it up son, you just saying because you can't explain it, is your Absence Of Evidence is not Evidence! especially aginst Sword sdepositions Udner Oath that judge revealed and ruled in favor of PMA Insurance not having pay Penn State? You can Google it to educate yourself!
Matt Sandusky was adopted by Jerry because Matt asked him to at the age of 18! Yeah, a lot of abuse there. Matt also said he was never abused until the checks started getting handed out.
Matt was Abused and Penn State Settled and was prepared to testify and talks about in his Against children Abuse Crusade today! Jerry Sandusky admitted he was abused too. Are you saying Matt Sandusky is a Nittany Liar as well? Well, if you are then it exposes just refutes more Bullship on the Paterno's Grand Experimenter to graduate Success with Honor since Jerry was a PSU Alumnus too? Again, you refute yourself and this just proves Penn State had Criminals in Joe's Programs just like ESPN & NCAA sanctions and Education Department proved too!
Add in Children Under Oath have said it too. But you blame the Media? LOL!
The situations brought up in the insurance case from the 70's have all been disproved and were never about anything more than an insurance company trying to stick with their exclusion so they don't have to pay.
No they have not, please give us a Citation with a Link and Judge revealed the Depositions that are under oath and the media is waiting for all Information to come out now as they petitioned, Judge ruled PMA Insurance did not have to pay Penn State on his aspects of his ruling and Penn State has settled that too. Also, Penn State is going after Spanier for Severance Repayment and Defense Repayment too. You can google it to refute yourself on what you cannot cite!
And you accuse Joe of covering up but then say Joe didn't know...it can't be both ways.
The Department of Education Clery Act and Title IX Investigation quoted it, and gave Penn State largest Fines in US Educational History and that was just revealed last years, 5 years after Paterno Died and not refuted by anyone as Penn State paid the Fines. You have provided nothing otherwise much as most of your Posts had to be corrected with Links in above with Citations! You just saying it is not not proof of anything either.
Additionally, I said that and gave a reasonable plausible explanation why back in 1976 when in the PMA Case Joe was told, Is aid I could see why Joe may not believe it, and others differ from me and that is their opinions. At that same time, Joe did know and said in hindsight he should have done more. Paterno family confirmed it too in the Citation Link I gave you! If you want to refute them go ahead.
Moreover, I still defend Joe being a Great Coach and Builder of a Program, because that is the truth of what Joe did too. But Joe made mistakes as he got older and the Paterno Family Quote Agrees as i posted, Clery Investigation Fines too, and you can't refute unless you want to call the Paterno's Nittany Liars on that too? You got to put up Verifiable Link on it too, unlike you just saying it.
He either knew and covered it up or didn't know so he couldn't have covered it up.
Nope, that is your Brain Pain and made up Hypo, it does not work that way if you read all the Reports and Investigations. Joe like anyone had to recount when he was 88 and having cancer before Grand Jury everything from 2002, 1998, and PMA Insurance case shows it went back to 1976. We also know Jerry Sandusky is a Child Molested Convicted Felon. The Schultz Emails found Freeh, that led to PAOAG Spanier Indictments, and PMA Case, and Clery Act & Title IX Findings and Fines, all came after Joe Died, but Joe did tell the Truth as he knew it at the Grand Jury!
And you never really answered the question that if he knew why would he let his kids get babysat by Sandusky?
I did, I still believe Joe did not believe it in 1976, and he did get Jerry to retire in 1999, and Joe did not tell anyone about 1976 either, and Penn State Paid for that Confidential Settlements beyond the Statue of Limitations to keep it Confidential until PMA revealed it? Now Media wants all the Files and pending approval. so, to be clear, even if Joe was told in 1976, if he did not believe it, and Sandusky lied about it to Joe, Joe discounted it is understandable............BUT at some point in time, as Joe Stated, "With The Benefit Of Hindsight Should Have Done More!" Curley & Schultz said it a Trial too and cited the Emails that Coach Paterno was "Uncomfortable In Going to Authorities!" Patreno own Family Quoted saying Joe made mistakes too and agreed Joe should have done more? yet, they never said when either, so that is on Paterno's and you too to tell us?
I don't expect an answer nor do I expect anything I post to change your mind, so since this is a WVU board we should have dropped this discussion a long time ago.
I gave you answers with links and citations and you just don't accept them nor can refute them with your own links or citations, plus the Convictions and 3 Independent Investigations and NCAA Sanctions Fines and Educational Fines and Penn State Confidential Sealed Settlements pending publication by Media First Amendment Rights and Victim's Books wanting to publish them too.
There is also the Paterno, PS4RS, and Alumni Lawsuits that all of sudden have come to dead halt and Jay is now a Trustees? maybe they will reveal more or be settled confidentially sealed too?
But it is time for many Penn State Fans to accept Obsessions Confessions Concessions this College Football Scandal Happen during the Paterno's Era's Errors and Omissions, but is over now that the Penn State 2102 Athletic Integrity Reform Policies I linked above are over, and thank the Trustees, Erickson, and Joyner that brought in James Franking having PSU Back in the Top Ten and a Contender for CFB National Championship Invitations with Athletic Integrity Compliance's!
At the same time, there is nothing wrong in admiring what Paterno did right with his foretaste of having a mighty vision what "Joe Knew" on how to build a National Powerful Program that some PSO Posters condemn current PSU Trustees selecting James Franklin is taking to greater heights! As well as, the nobility of the Paterno Family saying Joe made mistakes too in hindsight. I believe Joe & the Patreno Family did more rights than wrongs and I take abuse for saying it, but that is on me.
Good Luck in 2017, and WVU Too! Pitt is still rebuilding and have no one to blame but Pitt itself, and will need more time, but so little done and so much to do, but I have always respected all 3 Universities and still feel they are better together, but if not, time to play each other more often at least, a mistake Joe made in 1990s and Pitt with WVU that needs reversed.
Good luck it is my dream to see WVU, Pitt, ND and Penn State in the CFB NCS Invitations Playoffs someday! PSU is nearer to that follow by WVU, but Pitt and ND still have a road to hoe.