Pitching development

dog99walker

All-Conference
Jul 16, 2021
1,553
2,034
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When we played Arky I was struck by how mature the pitchers on their staff were. We are kids. We had a lot of people hurt this year, including Foster, Kirk, McPherson, you name it. Those who remained are tired from over use which was a result of those injuries. All the ‘fire Parkers’ need to sit down and leave the post button alone. We need to find some good starters from Power Four schools this summer and keep on with development of our program. We are better than 22 & 23 by far.
 

ETK99

Heisman
Jul 30, 2019
9,594
13,440
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Next year, you probably see Stone in the pen with Bauer & Miller, that's a great top three. Then you've got Gleason and Rhodes etc. We need a much deeper pen and a starter probably. We can't keep taking the Billingsleys and Fosters of the world. Projects shouldn't be our specialty. When you look at Texas, for example, their front line guys are insanely good and their pen is considerably better and deeper than ours. We've got to keep upgrading talent and we can't miss on evals in the portal like this year (position). Next year will be a rebuild of sorts with the lineup, so pitching better be great.
 
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Bulldog Bruce

All-American
Nov 1, 2007
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I think the reason he didn’t pitch for a few week was they were tweaking his mechanics. Continuing to play him then would have been a bad decision.
They tweaked my swing mechanics during my freshman an sophomore seasons. I platooned as a freshman and played as a sophomore. The last 25 games of my sophomore season the changes became ingrained. That led to two great years after that. If they left me on the bench while tweaking my swing, I probably don't have the career I did have. Practice isn't enough. You have to play.

Mike Schmidt batted .187 his rookie season. He personally told me "you can't hit major league pitching until you face major league pitching". With some talents you have to allow for the bumps to get the cream.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
57,915
27,782
113
They tweaked my swing mechanics during my freshman an sophomore seasons. I platooned as a freshman and played as a sophomore. The last 25 games of my sophomore season the changes became ingrained. That led to two great years after that. If they left me on the bench while tweaking my swing, I probably don't have the career I did have. Practice isn't enough. You have to play.

Mike Schmidt batted .187 his rookie season. He personally told me "you can't hit major league pitching until you face major league pitching". With some talents you have to allow for the bumps to get the cream.
I get that. But it’s a little different for a pitcher in a short season. A pitcher can. Lose a game for you in about 5 minutes. Worst a batter can do is go 0-4, when good chance his replacement wouldn’t get more then 1 hit anyway. I think the way they handled Bauer is working out ok.
 

Zarbok

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Dec 2, 2022
91
85
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I was in support of keeping Parker, but I noticed this last year as well. Seems he does great on the off-season but doesnt develop anybody during the year and the end of season collapse has happened 2 years in a row now
 

OG Goat Holder

Heisman
Sep 30, 2022
12,787
11,746
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When we played Arky I was struck by how mature the pitchers on their staff were. We are kids. We had a lot of people hurt this year, including Foster, Kirk, McPherson, you name it. Those who remained are tired from over use which was a result of those injuries. All the ‘fire Parkers’ need to sit down and leave the post button alone. We need to find some good starters from Power Four schools this summer and keep on with development of our program. We are better than 22 & 23 by far.
Correct. Our guys still have baby fat on them.
 
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Dogdazey

Sophomore
Nov 16, 2012
266
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Because you’re not looking.
Ryan McPherson went from a 4.2 era last year to a 2.6 guy this season
Stone barely pitched last year and has been thrust into a role he isn’t ready for but will finish the regular season at 6-3. Yeah he’s been tagged a good bit lately but I put that as much on late season fatigue as anything. He has dealt against good teams this year (Texas, OM, UGA kind of) but to go from the staff doesn’t trust you at all to the second most ip on the team is development. Willing to bet he is markedly better next year.
Tomas went from 6-1 with a 4.59 era at uva to 9-2 with a 3.04 era
We’ve seen Bauer get significantly better just over the course of the season this year.
Burns went from a 4 era to a 2.60 era
Davis has gone from a 3.77 era to 3.54
Pitzer had a 5.5 era and a 7.something era at South Carolina and is at 3.91 this year
Sweeney had an 8.5 era at South Carolina and is at 5.5

Literally every single pitcher that I looked up (full disclosure I stopped at Sweeney cause the roster stopped loading) has better numbers than last year. you can possibly argue with the overall talent level but I’d disagree. we are just really young for the most part on the mound and it seems like everyone has kind of hit a wall at the same time over the last few weeks.

we went from 10th in pitching in conference play last year to 5th this year. Without McPherson for a bulk of the season
you left off Miller. He looks like he's primed for a big summer and fall. I'd be shocked if he and Bauer aren't battling for the Sunday starter role next season.
 

aTotal360

Heisman
Nov 12, 2009
22,025
15,077
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JP hasn't forgotten how to coach.

It's talent. We got a bunch of young guys that just need a little more time.
 

johnson86-1

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Aug 22, 2012
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He struggles to manage the pen in-game. Development isn't the problem, it's the actual decision making in game that's the problem. But tell me which of his three seasons has his pen actually been good? I'd argue none of them, because he struggles on the in-game decision making side. He's going to have talent next year, can he manage it better? Mac being hurt didn't help, but the decision making has been poor regardless. Saying he's better than Foxhall isn't hard, or better than the VA pitching coaching either. But is he the best we can get?
Chasing the theoretical "best we can get" all the time is a recipe for disaster. Is Parker the best pitching coach in the country? No, probably not. But he was at a SEC program that is not exactly chopped liver (granted they were not in good shape when he left), he came in and immediately moved our pitching staff from disaster to adequate. If you are going to toss coaches that are doing well but maybe not the elite job you want, you better be damned sure your job is as desirable as you think it is. Granted, we did not have to hire parker after the coaching change. BUt I'm unclear on what can't miss pitching coaches were out there for the taking at that point that were so obviously better than Parker.

If I was going to ***** and moan about our disaster of a season where we finished hosting a regional, I think I'd probably ***** about evaluations? Seems like we spent some money on players that haven't worked out. Were we too late in the game because of a the coaching change and therefore had to reach some? Or did we just miss? Or is there just not a crystal ball regardless and we did ok, but not good, at evaluations? I kind of feel like the latter, but that's just a guess. I don't watch the baseball portal or know what was realistically available that we passed on.
 
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