Pikiell Player Development

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the 7 freshmen this year I get it probably not enough time but a discussion on its own for the amount of misses
Dortsch
Ogbole
Grant
Derkack
Griffiths
Mag
Simpson
Spencer
Palmquist
Wolfolk
J Will
Chol
Miller
Reiber
Hyatt
Jones
Doucoure
Carter
Kiss
Doorson
Bullock
Mensah
Thiam
Sa

latter 2 could be Jordan recruits

more indictive of recruiting malpractice rather than not being able to develop but should be evaluated just like the others

alot of failure and i didnt include 2 huge successes in Spencer and Yeboah but also 2 misses in A Williams and Fernandes
OK, here is the list. Given each player’s incoming expectation level, what did Rutgers do for his development?

So if a highly ranked guy underwhelmed at Rutgers and elsewhere, that is not evidence that Rutgers failed to develop him. That’s usually just a recruiting bust / fit issue. On the other hand, if a modestly regarded player became a real Big Ten contributor at Rutgers, that is development. If a lump of coal stayed a lump of coal, that's neutral.

Using that standard, here’s how I’d look at this group:

Positive Rutgers development cases

In addition to Harper Jr., McConnell, Baker, M. Johnson, E Omoruyi, who were discussed in the OP, we have:
  • Dylan Grant — He was around a 0.9160 composite / No. 190 overall / No. 42 PF. That's expected to be a solid high-major contributor, but not star and not underclassman phenom level ranking. His production has gone from about 5.9 ppg, 3.4 rpg to 9.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg. That is normal, good development for his profile and current level as a Sophomore.
  • Aundre Hyatt — came in as a former four-star / Top-100-type LSU recruit who was considered a minor bust. Rutgers clearly got more out of him than LSU did and turned him into a solid if unspectacular Big Ten wing. That's either neutral or more likely a development win.
  • Mawot Mag — 3 star #42 power forward recruit according to 247. Rutgers clearly developed him into a winning high-major wing contributor. He left for BYU are arguably did a little worse, but certainly not better.
  • Cam Spencer — Reasonably high expectations as an incoming transfer. He lived up to expectations at RU and made a big jump in one year from mid major to high major, and then made real but marginal improvements at UConn a year later. But that came in one of the best offensive ecosystems in the country - and it wasn't a major jump. So that's seems as much about system and complimentary players than it is about player development.
  • Shaq Doorson — Incoming 2 star/low expectations on 247, but flagged by a few as a sleeper. Narrow but real development. Rutgers turned him into a usable defensive big at the Big Ten level. Exceeded low expectations.
  • Candido Sá — modest incoming expectations as JUCO, modest but value as a reserve player by the time he left.
  • Jalen Miller — Low expectations. Was a minor contributor at a high major while here, and then dropped to Oral Roberts and is a solid contributor there as a senior after two more seasons of development.
  • Emmanuel Ogbole — Came in as a lightly recruited low-skill JC player, worth taking a chance based on only his frame. At Rutgers he's had clear development: 2023-24: 2.1 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 8.1 mpg; 2024-25: 3.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 13.2 mpg; 2025-26: 4.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.2 bpg, 18.5 mpg
Neutral / inconclusive cases

Guys with some expetations/hopes but performed roughly as you'd expect, busted and went elswhere later and did the same, indicating that player development was not a factor.
  • Gavin Griffiths — He came in as a 247 top-20 national recruit and underwhelmed at Rutgers. But then he also had an even smaller role at Nebraska. Now he’s doing okay at Temple, after dropping a level. So for this discussion he is not strong evidence for or against Rutgers player development. He looks more like a recruiting overrating / fit issue than a Rutgers-specific development failure.
  • Jordan Derkack — He came in as a 0.9100 transfer / NEC Player of the Year, but expectations were moderate because NEC to Big Ten is a huge jump. Rutgers got a playable rotation player out of him. Dropped down to Dayton and did about the same - going from 5.7 ppg to 8.8 ppg, but in 9 more MPG at Dayton.
  • Jamichael Davis — Rutgers lists him as No. 243 overall / No. 38 PG / No. 17 in Georgia. Those are moderate expectations projecting to rotation player lower-end starter as an upperclassman. That's where he is. He has improved some and become usable, but not broken out yet beyond that. So I’d call that neutral to mildly positive for now.
  • Bryce Dortch — too early. He came in around No. 162 overall / No. 35 SF. Regarded as a skinny project that needed time to develop. On track.
  • Derek Simpson247: 86, No. 40 PG / No. 8 in NJ. At Rutgers he averaged 7.1 ppg as a freshman and 8.3 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.9 apg as a sophomore. At Saint Joseph’s he jumped to 8.7 ppg and then 13.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 5.3 apg. That's a modest jump but after two years to season at a lower level. Neutral.
  • Jaden Jones — He came in as a 0.9290 composite four-star type and was mostly a bust. He left and is still a bust never getting another college high major offer.
  • Issa Thiam — 85 score, No. 71 PF by 247. There was real intrigue in the profile, but he was consider a flyer/project type recruit. Showed flashes as a sophomore that raised expectations, but Rutgers never turned that into meaningful high-major production - but that was not expected based on incoming ranking. Possibly a mild negative but more likely neutral.
  • Peter Kiss — not useful as an anti-Rutgers development case. He did not become a high-major answer at Rutgers, but his later explosion came at a much lower level, so that says more about fit/usage/level than Rutgers failing to develop a high-major player.
  • Mamadou Doucoure — 91.31 industry-rating recruit, around No. 127 nationally and No. 15 center. At RU a depth piece that underperformed expectations. Went to Lasalle and did not improve, so no evidence of poor player development here.
Other Low-expectation guys who mostly stayed low-impact

These had lower expectations and mostly stayed where their profile suggested - so more neutral
  • Oskar Palmquist88-rated / No. 77 SF type. Low expectations modest rotational value. After RU went back to Sweden.
  • Antwone Woolfolk —247 had him as an 85-rated recruit and the No. 61 power forward in the 2022 class. At Rutgers he was a limited but real rotation body: 4.1 ppg and 3.0 rpg in 2023-24 after a smaller freshman role. After transferring to MAC Miami (OH), he became a full-time starter and much more productive, averaging 8.1 ppg, 5.9 rpg in 2024-25 and then 10.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg in 2025-26 with more minutes. Basically doing what he's expected to do.
  • Dean Reiber88-rated recruit and the No. 64 power forward in the class, No. 15 in North Carolina. At Rutgers he was a classic project/stretch big. Never became a reliable high-major frontcourt player but wasn't projected to. Went to Charlotte and did about the same.
  • Matt Bullock — 84 rated. #68 shooting guard. Low expectations. I couldn't find anything on him post Rutgers. Not much to see.
  • Souf Mensah — Met low expectations.

Mild Negative Case
  • Shaq Carter — RU won the recruiting battle for this JC transfer against Xavier, Washington State, and Middle Tennessee State. Mostly depth piece at Rutgers. Mostly met expectations, possible mildly underperformed.
  • Antonio Chol — 247had him as an 85-rated three-star, No. 63 power forward. He barely played at Rutgers; only 11 games and 56 total minutes across two seasons. Left for Howard, and then New Mexico, where he broke through in 2025-26 with 13.1 ppg and 4.2 rpg in a starting role. That is a real post-Rutgers improvement, though it came after additional time and at a lower level. I think this is mostly neutral, but could be seen as a negative case.

Bottom line:

This list certainly shows a lot of weak recruiting of project type players. But on player development alone, on the whole, players are more likely to exceed recruiting expectations at RU than underperform, and generally do as well or better here than if they leave once factoring in the level of competition for players that drop a level.
 
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I was going to mention Jaden Jones, not sure if he was never developed, not sure if it was more that he was a flake (which he was). Might give 50% blame of Jones to Pike and staff and 50% to Jones himself and his flightiness. He seemed to have talent and that was never developed, just not sure exactly where the fault lies on that one.
The kid left here not for another college team but the NBA, that was 90/10 the kids fault. I don’t even think he played enough that year to develop.
 
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How can you exclude 2 dozen players who he didnt develop

I think what he’s trying to say is that it’s been more than he’s struck out with misses lately or guys who were better suited to play at a lower level than it was inability to develop players who truly had the potential to be good high major players.

It’s not like you could point to really anyone other than Cam Spencer (and even he arguable had a good year making the jump at RU to high major) who struggled at RU and went on to be a stud elsewhere. Folks thought that would be the case with Lathan but he didn’t do much there. Guys like MJ and Cliff had more impact at RU than when they left.

it doesn’t matter. Recruiting misses at the current rate aren’t acceptable either.
 
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Great analysis on the positives and hits but care to list all the ones who didnt develop or were quite mediocre like a Hyatt and J Will

None of these players were from 24, 25, 26 seasons save for Cliff and Summerville who wasnt good. Your reaching into a different era of Ru hoops from 4-5 years ago

And note out of 7 freshmen brought in this year 1 might be a star while 3 others look like role players next year that might develop into starters by senior year. Unfortunately the NIL doesnt allow for 4 year development cycles
Guess you were watching a different team than I was. Several showed flashes of potential. It is clear that a handful (about 5) are players worth keeping. If they do stay, Pikiell will take them to the next level - because that is what he does best.

He also brought in a guy from NJIT whom the majority felt was in over his head and made him into a honorable mention B1G player.

You also choose to ignore the fact that he was dealing with the bottom of the barrel as far as NIL is concerned - and improved enough of them that we were able to miss the first round of the B1G tournament. That appears to be a low bar, but the fans of the 4 teams below us may recognize what you never could. Our coach is able to coach guys up.

Unfortunately, you always think you are smarter than any RU coach and have to demean them to prove your superiority. You basically waste some valuable insight because you cannot resist this temptation.
 
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Guess you were watching a different team than I was. Several showed flashes of potential. It is clear that a handful (about 5) are players worth keeping. If they do stay, Pikiell will take them to the next level - because that is what he does best.

He also brought in a guy from NJIT whom the majority felt was in over his head and made him into a honorable mention B1G player.

You also choose to ignore the fact that he was dealing with the bottom of the barrel as far as NIL is concerned - and improved enough of them that we were able to miss the first round of the B1G tournament. That appears to be a low bar, but the fans of the 4 teams below us may recognize what you never could. Our coach is able to coach guys up.

Unfortunately, you always think you are smarter than any RU coach and have to demean them to prove your superiority. You basically waste some valuable insight because you cannot resist this temptation.
You wanna keep 5 freshmen...they are all bench players..the best one is leaving
 

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Spencer is a recruiting/transfer win for Pike (a great one along with Francis)

Not a development win (or loss)
He was a 38% 3pt shooter before hand.
Do we really think Pike developed him much?

Same with Derkack. Not a development win or loss.
A recruiting/transfer loss.
 
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I feel your last few sentences give Pike too much of a pass. The Miller, Reiner, Palmquists, Simpsons, Chol, Woolfolk were supposed to be everything Geo RHJ etc became. Underrated guys who came here and developed. We were sold that bag of goods. Except Pike seemed to get lucky with one core group and he couldn’t repeat it time after time. Yet he still gets credit as a master developer.
You can't say that Pike is a bad player development coach because he didn't help "underrated" players exceed their low ratings. Underrated means they were rated low and then exceeded expectations. You can't say a player that was rated low and then performed that way was "underrated". That's not what the word means.

Miller, Reiber, Palmquist, Simpson were all ranked low as recruits; some combo of projects, maybe eventual rotational contributors, reaches, possible sleepers. But the main point is that none of them were top recruits. Simpson got some buzz because he was local and covered in NJ.com etc. But his recruiting ranking was not high and we did not beat out other high major programs for him.

Ron and Geo were all Big-10 players. I don't think it's logical to say that some kids we beat out Old Dominion and Fairfield for were expected to perform like Ron and Geo, and it's a failure of Pike's player development if they don't.
 
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The kid left here not for another college team but the NBA, that was 90/10 the kids fault. I don’t even think he played enough that year to develop.
My point was that he was a sketchy dude, a flake. He definitely did not develop while here but he was here such a short time period like you said, not sure who is to blame but mainly it’s on him. He may just be a better example of a player where the national rankings were just a total botch job in regards to him and he was also absolutely delusional regarding his talents, maybe in part due to the botched ranking (and his Dad giving him bad advice).
 

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Some of these guys like Griffiths, Jones and Derkack transferred after only a year before they had a chance to develop, so they are really not great examples. Spencer was great for RU so he would support the OP’s argument. Spencer left for a bag and a shot at a natty.
A year is not enough time to show improvement? As for Spencer you’re going to say he didn’t improve at UConn? He certainly wasn’t nba caliber at ru
 
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You can't say that Pike is a bad player development coach because he didn't help "underrated" players exceed their low ratings. Underrated means they were rated low and then exceeded expectations. You can't say a player that was rated low and then performed that way was "underrated". That's not what the word means.

Miller, Reiber, Palmquist, Simpson were all ranked low as recruits; some combo of projects, maybe eventual rotational contributors, reaches, possible sleepers. But the main point is that none of them were top recruits. Simpson got some buzz because he was local and covered in NJ.com etc. But his recruiting ranking was not high and we did not beat out other high major programs for him.

Ron and Geo were all Big-10 players. I don't think it's logical to say that some kids we beat out Old Dominion and Fairfield for were expected to perform like Ron and Geo, and it's a failure of Pike's player development if they don't.
What other offers did Geo and Ron get? So I can’t say it because it doesn’t agree with your narrative? If a player comes here, regardless of ranking, and doesn’t get better he didn’t develop. If he does get better he did develop while here. There’s examples of both under Pike but you can’t just explain away those that didn’t improve as not counting.
 
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Reading the board I saw some of the recurring criticism of Pikiell's player development. There is a lot of data and a real track record to evaluate. I was curious so I did an analysis.

Evidence for Pikiell’s player development (or lack thereof) should be judged by evidence in 3 buckets:

1. Guys who came in with expectations - did they meet expectations?
2. Guys who came in with little hype and got developed at Rutgers
3. Guys who left Rutgers for other high-majors and what actually happened after they left?


Looking at it that way, I think the overall answer is pretty clear: Pikiell absolutely has developed players at Rutgers. It seems very clear that he is very good at developing defense, toughness, rebounding, and role execution. The record on maximizing offensive upside is mixed, but definitely not clearly negative, with many data points.

1. Players who came in with expectations

This category is mixed, but on the whole strongly refutes the idea that Rutgers didn't develop or utilize talented players.

Cliff Omoruyi came in as a real national recruit — RSCI Top 100: No. 46 — and became exactly what Rutgers hoped he’d become: a high-level Big Ten center who made All-Big Ten and Big Ten All-Defense twice.

Same basic point with Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey. Harper was the No. 2 player in the 2024 247Sports rankings, and Bailey was also an elite national recruit; at Rutgers, Harper averaged 19.4 ppg and 4.0 apg as a freshman, while Bailey averaged 17.6 ppg and 7.2 rpg. They both produced at a high level, appeared on the relevant all-freshman teams, and achieved their lottery pick aspirations at the end of one and done seasons.

Montez Mathis came in with real recruiting buzz ranked by some as a 4 star, and he didn’t live up to that at Rutgers. After transferring to St. John’s, he was a little better, but not so much better that he becomes a major anti-Pikiell example.

Paul Mulcahy also fits here in a different way: he came in with a minor pedigree, became a good winning high-major player at Rutgers, and then got worse/similar after leaving for Washington.


2. Players who came in with little hype and got developed at Rutgers

This is the strongest evidence for Pikiell.

If you want the best argument for his player development, start with Geo Baker, Caleb McConnell, Ron Harper Jr., and Myles Johnson.

Geo Baker was a No. 232 247 recruit and developed into a 2x All-Big Ten guard. Caleb McConnell was a No. 344 composite recruit and became a 2x Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. Myles Johnson was an 86-rated three-star prospect who developed into a Big Ten all-defense caliber center. Ron Harper Jr. was rated 88 by 247Sports and No. 57 at small forward, then became a 2x All-Big Ten player and AP honorable mention All-American. That’s a real development résumé.

Eugene Omoruyi was a late-blooming Canadian prospect who only started basketball in 10th grade, and 247 does not show him as a nationally ranked blue-chip recruit. At Rutgers he developed from 2.4 ppg as a freshman to 13.8 ppg and 7.2 rpg as a junior, earning All-Big Ten honorable mention.

This group is the clearest evidence that Pikiell can identify traits — toughness, feel, defensive instincts, competitiveness, size — and turn them into high-major value. A coach who develops Baker, McConnell, Harper Jr., and Myles Johnson is very obviously doing something right.

3. Players who left Rutgers for other high-majors

This is the best test of whether Rutgers was really holding players back. If Rutgers were the problem, you’d expect a consistent pattern of guys leaving and immediately becoming much better elsewhere at the same high-major level. That’s not what happened.

The relevant cases are Eugene Omoruyi to Oregon, Jacob Young to Oregon, Myles Johnson to UCLA, Cam Spencer to UConn, Paul Mulcahy to Washington, Lathan Sommerville to Washington, Cliff Omoruyi to Alabama, and Montez Mathis to St. John’s.

Of those, the clearest upgrades after leaving were Spencer and Eugene, but both came with important context. Spencer was better at UConn, but he was also stepping into one of the best offensive environments in the country, on a team that won the national title, and he already had a strong Rutgers season before leaving.

Omoruyi did improve significantly at Oregon, but he left Rutgers, sat out a full season under the old transfer rules, and then made a jump. That matters. Neither case is as simple as “Rutgers failed and somebody else fixed them."

After that, the pattern actually helps Rutgers more than it hurts it:

  • Jacob Young was roughly similar (slightly worse statistically) at Oregon to what he had been at Rutgers, which suggests Rutgers had already gotten close to his best version
  • Myles Johnson had smaller production at UCLA but played at a roughly similar level
  • Mulcahy had a clear drop at Washington
  • Sommerville has had a smaller role at Washington so far
  • Cliff was efficient at Alabama, but in a lower-volume role and no significant offensive breakout
  • Mathis was somewhat better at St. John’s in a system better suited for him, but not enough to count as some huge blossom-elsewhere story
So the transfer record does not show a pattern of guys escaping Rutgers and becoming much better high-major players.

Bottom line:
Pikiell has clearly developed players at Rutgers. The strongest evidence is the number of lower-hype guys who became real Big Ten players under him, especially Baker, McConnell, Harper Jr., and Myles Johnson. The transfer record also helps him more than it hurts him, because most guys who left were either about the same, had smaller roles, or were less productive. The fairest criticism is not that he can’t develop players. It’s that Rutgers has generally been better at developing high-floor, tough, winning players than at maximizing offensive ceiling.
This is very good analysis…..but it omits one very big objective metric that brings down the analysis

start listing pikes inpact pkayers by their first year on the court

16-17 Eugene (3)
17-18 Geo (5) and Myles(3)
18-19. Ron (4) Montez (3) Caleb (5),
19-20 Jacob (2), Paul (4) and akwasi (1)
20-21 Cliff (4) Mawot (4)
21-22. Andre (3)

See how many of those guys impacted….for multi years

22-23 Cam (1)
23-24 none
24-25 Dylan (1) Ace (1)

The trend is obvious ….we really really missed in the classes of 21, 22, and 23….and that really hurts wjat we have done on the court the last few years

class of 21….miller and jones
Class of 22…Simpson , wolfolk and chol
Class of 23….griffths and Davis
 

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How can you exclude 2 dozen players who he didnt develop
There is a bigger point to this …how did we recruit so few players in the class of 21. 22 and 23??? When you have LOW numbers and they don’t work out ….

esrlier on we had larger classes and some make it and sone don’t …you still had a core

We didn’t have the nunbers backfilling those ncaa teams …..
 
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What other offers did Geo and Ron get? So I can’t say it because it doesn’t agree with your narrative? If a player comes here, regardless of ranking, and doesn’t get better he didn’t develop. If he does get better he did develop while here. There’s examples of both under Pike but you can’t just explain away those that didn’t improve as not counting.
You can't develop someone without the baseline requisite talent. That's a recruiting issue. So I'm not following what you are trying to say.
 

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This is very good analysis…..but it omits one very big objective metric that brings down the analysis

start listing pikes inpact pkayers by their first year on the court

16-17 Eugene (3)
17-18 Geo (5) and Myles(3)
18-19. Ron (4) Montez (3) Caleb (5),
19-20 Jacob (2), Paul (4) and akwasi (1)
20-21 Cliff (4) Mawot (4)
21-22. Andre (3)

See how many of those guys impacted….for multi years

22-23 Cam (1)
23-24 none
24-25 Dylan (1) Ace (1)

The trend is obvious ….we really really missed in the classes of 21, 22, and 23….and that really hurts wjat we have done on the court the last few years

class of 21….miller and jones
Class of 22…Simpson , wolfolk and chol
Class of 23….griffths and Davis
Everyone is in agreement that the recruiting has been the main issue. This analysis is specifically about player development once we got a recruit with a smidge of talent in the door.
 

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Those are recruiting issues not player development. A player needs to have a certain amount of talent to be developed. Not every lump of coal is a diamond in the rough. Recruiting is another issue. A totally relevant issue with a whole set of arguments to be made pro and con. But you can't say Pike should have been expected to turn lumps of coal into diamonds strictly from a player development perspective.

Good post.

Citing Agee, mensah , etc as examples of pike not developing players is silly.

Pike deserves criticism for bringing such players in in the first place - but not because they didn’t “develop”
 

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You can't develop someone without the baseline requisite talent. That's a recruiting issue. So I'm not following what you are trying to say.
First let me say thank you. Thanks for a nice discussion. Too often this board has lost any civility. While we’re not meeting eye to eye I greatly appreciate a convo where there’s no name calling or personal insults. Anyway what I meant was Geo and Ron came here without much fanfare, modest stars, not much in terms of other offers. Pretty much the same as Miller, Palm etc. if you give Pike credit for developing them (which he deserves) you can’t simply dismiss other low rated recruits who don’t develop. Pike brought them here with the same intention so if you give him credit for the ones who rise you have to recognize the failures too. You can’t just say nothing was expected of them. Pike gave them a scholarship he certainly expected to be able to develop them.
 

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You are what your won/loss record says you are.In Rutgers case since joining the BIG Ten ,Rutgers has been a failure .The short period with Baker,Harper and McConnell broke the 30 year period without one NCCA bid.With their departure its back to mediocrity.Player development clearly has declined with NIL and the transfer portal resulting in three straight losing seasons.The pressure on the Rutgers coaching staff will be intense next season,
 

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First let me say thank you. Thanks for a nice discussion. Too often this board has lost any civility. While we’re not meeting eye to eye I greatly appreciate a convo where there’s no name calling or personal insults. Anyway what I meant was Geo and Ron came here without much fanfare, modest stars, not much in terms of other offers. Pretty much the same as Miller, Palm etc. if you give Pike credit for developing them (which he deserves) you can’t simply dismiss other low rated recruits who don’t develop. Pike brought them here with the same intention so if you give him credit for the ones who rise you have to recognize the failures too. You can’t just say nothing was expected of them. Pike gave them a scholarship he certainly expected to be able to develop them.
Agree on appreciating the civility. Thank you.

The way I'm looking at it, and the way I did the analysis, is to assume that players will perform to their ranking and expectation. And any divergence from that, up or down, is evidence of above or below average player development. So if a coach had average/normal player development, you'd expect as many players perform below expectations as above expectations. And a poor player development coach would have performance below ranking expectations. And an above average coach will have more players playing above their expectations based on rankings.

Similarly when a player leaves to another high major, if the coach was trash you expect the player to improve at the next place. But when we look at the numbers for RU, the players did not improve on the whole. Most players continued on a similar trajectory, but overall more players got worse than improved once they left.

I divided all the players into the categories of under-performed, over-performed, and performed as expected. And there are way more players in the over-performed category than under-performed category.

Obviously no coach is going to be able to recruit a bunch of trash and consistently mold them into Big-10 caliber players just on coaching. But on the whole it seems very clear to me that Pike consistently tilts toward the above average side of the ledger for player development.
 

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My point was that he was a sketchy dude, a flake. He definitely did not develop while here but he was here such a short time period like you said, not sure who is to blame but mainly it’s on him. He may just be a better example of a player where the national rankings were just a total botch job in regards to him and he was also absolutely delusional regarding his talents, maybe in part due to the botched ranking (and his Dad giving him bad advice).
I think there is a reason we were able to land him as a recruit in the first place.
 

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Yes. Yes. Yes. Players typically improve the most between their freshman and sophomore years. Look it up - but you probably already know that.
You dont care about winning..you said as much. You arent serious about any expectations here. Play hard and finish 16-16 will satisfy you

The current roster save for 2-3 players arent good enough to win at a needed level in the big 10
 
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You dont care about winning..you said as much. You arent serious about any expectations here. Play hard and finish 16-16 will satisfy you

The current roster save for 2-3 players arent good enough to win at a needed level in the big 10
Heaven forbid we expect a return to relevancy and at least be a bubble team or even sneak into the NCAAs as a Play-in team. Of course I would love us to make the tourney as a better seed, but at this point, just being on the bubble would feel like being relevant again. The apathy and irrelevancy towards the program over the past several years has gotten real old, real quick. I don’t want annual trips to the Crown. I don’t have a ton of faith in Pike at this point, but at least Keli and Tate are shining some light into the tunnel for me that the program can elevate, whether it is with Pike or the next guy.
 
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