We all moan about how offensive our offense is and it’s fine that Pike is quote a defensive coach but my god you have 4 assistants that are all or were point guards and not one of them can come up with an offensive game plan or coach offense?
Pikell Coaching
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I’m happy as a pig and **** that we won today but, I don’t get it, one game the coaching is fantastic and the next game the coaching is ******* abysmal. Today was the case for the latter. This game never should’ve been close.
If we make foul shots of course it’s not close but my god he can’t start Jmik he’s such a black hole on offense we are basically playing 4v5 when he’s in the game
When we make shots the coaching is good. When we miss it sucks.
I think I heard that 22 of the last 29 games (now 23 of 30) have been won by a margin of 6 points or less.. that covers a whole lot of time when Hall was the much better team and we were the better team. Why is anyone surprised it was a close outcome?
Pike switching to full court pressure in the second half won the game. That and Dylan getting hot. Outscored SHU by 9 in 2nd half. 13-28 from the line and 11 first half turnovers are pretty tough stats to put up and win a game.
Funny you say this. I don’t get why we are not putting full court press I. When Jmike and Jwill are in the game…otherwise Jmike really is a liability
How many foul shots did Pike make/miss today, how many screens did he lose his man and get beat on, how many turnovers did he commit? You want to find something wrong, starting JMiike did not work well and that does go to coaching. If you are going to play Hayes he needs to get shots, if he's not shooting the ball then you need a better defender on the floor, that also probaby goes to coaching and you rotations
No the coaching is still abysmal but the win covers it up. We run no offense! It’s embarrassing how little offensive schemes we have. It’s not the talent this year so that excuse is gone for the blind Pilke lovers.
Coaching is also getting beat on a pick and roll repeatedly
So I guess we just recruit guys who can’t shoot Free throws or forgets how too. It’s followed Pike his whole RU career no matter what year or what players. At what point is that a Pike problem?
The problem is compounded with the lack of scoring from Williams which makes it 3v5 when they are both on the court.Rutgers really needs a 3 point shooter on the court in addition to Bailey and Harper.
We score 80 points a game and have played a pretty tough schedule relatively speaking. Offense is not this teams problem thus far.
Pike should concentrate more on getting our shooters good looks.. Hayes, Acuff, Martini etc.. Dylan , Ace and even Jwill can get their points in the flow..
Totally disagree. That is such a simplistic take. Is this coach Pike??
With this team, it's gonna be tough to get any more out of them on defense. They are limited. The opportunity to improve is on the offensive side. We ain't making the tourney unless we get more efficient on offense.
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Harper is shooting 51% from the floor. Bailey is shooting 46% from the floor. Are we running enough offense for our two best players to be shooting 48.9% combined from the floor (they are 136-280 combined). The rest of the team is shooting 33% from the floor. Not from 3, 33% from the floor. The entire offensive game plan cant be "no one other than Ace or Dylan is allowed to shoot". Which non-Ace/Dylan player do you think isn't getting good shots? And we are still somehow scoring 80 ppg. I stand by my statement that offensive sets are not our problem.
As a comp Cooper Flagg and Kon Knueppel at Duke are shooting a combined 42% from the floor (98-233).
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2 elite players being ISO on the floor is not an offense! Your statistics help further show that we are in fact not running an inefficient offense.
We run no action to get Hayes or Acuff or Anyone an open 3
We don’t know how to flash to the foul line with one guy in the dunker spot against a zone.
We don’t know how to get the ball in the post consistently
Just small things Pikes offense misses
What do you think is more likely?
(a) Pikiell’s coaching, which is largely a mental undertaking, swings wildly in quality from game to game
(b) you guys don’t actually know how to evaluate coaching and are wrongly attributing player performance differences to coaching
Spoilers: it’s B
Harper and Ace are wildly effective getting to the rim. The last three games the game plan against has clearly been getting more hands and bodies in the lane to slow them both down. Worked v. Harper in the 1H today. I don't think we should be dragging more bodies in to the paint. (IMO) All PJ, Acuff, JWill and Derek have gotten are open 3s. They are 30-87 (34.4%). Bit unfair to drag Hayes in as he is 13-30 and while I like Hayes he needs to get much better on the defensive end to get more PT..
SHU 46.6% FG
Ohio State 55.2% FG
T A+M 42.9% FG
Bama 51.7% FG
ND 43.9% FG
I think each of those teams shot above their season average against us. I just don't see that our issues thus far have been on the offensive end.
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Just like it was Steve’s fault that Gavin could not make any shots, and that once he played for a good coach at Nebraska, he would flourish.
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What I see is that no one knows their role on offense (what do we want/not want from you and WHEN do we want it from you). The staff has clearly failed here.
Why is Lathan trying to post up when Ace has the ball on the wing??? Most CYO coaches would fix that.
What do we do for Ace to get looks? Do we run anything for him? We used to run plays for Cam. He doesn't have Dylan's ability to get to the hole. He should be shooting more 3's imo. Too many 21 ft 2 points shots prior to today.
JD and JWill each get over their skis a few times per game, trying to do things they aren't capable of doing. Both could be more efficient on offense with proper coaching.
Davis shooting? No thank you.
PJ, Martini and Acuff play within themselves. PJ is a coaches son.
It’s all Harper and Bailey and ISOs with them begin the only two (other than Lathan) who can get their own shot. Take them away and we might have zero wins. Sommerville is the only player who might be here who should be starting a B1G game in the future, and he’s got a long way to go on D. If Pike doesn’t pluck at least 3 B1G players (not the A10 level of transfers he got this year), next year will be abysmal…and he doesn’t have a great track record with that…
It’s almost like the coaching isn’t actually that variable and each game just takes on a personality of its own.
I’m not ignorant to this team’s flaws, but the most important thing is to win. Luckily that happened today.
we have gone 8-9 minute stretches in many games this year scoring only 2-3 fg sometimes in the same game
I do agree offense isnt the main trouble
the inability to get stops especially early in games is torpedoing any development of our bench
If you have two elite offensive talents who are at their best when they are creating for themselves off the dribble, then why are we complaining about Pike having them do the exact thing that they are good at?
Because we would be more effective if we didn’t just roll the ball out to Harper and tell him to do his thing. I get that with the quality of the transfers Pike brought in, it wouldn’t work like it could, but it would get shooters like Hayes and Martini more open looks, an occasional back-door, and a layup or two without Harper having to split through two defenders to do it on his own. It would also get Bailey moving to take even more advantage of his skill and athleticism. He’s always catching the ball in negative situations with the defender already squared up. We’re not using him effectively and relying on him to shoot jumpers while rarely attacking the rim.
So true about Ace. Just start taking about 5/6 3 pointers a game. The 21 foot contested turnaround jumpers are analytically such a worse decision than a face-up 3 pointer
Almost all of Ace's made twos near the rim have come from transition or an offensive rebound. In a half court set, he has shown almost no ability to get to the rim.
The defense is an issue. It's just not good. There are limitations with these players though. If Pike chooses to spend all of his time trying to fix this defense, we're in trouble. Playing Davis is terrible.
The offensive efficiency has improved this year, without Pike doing anything. It must get better or else it's curtains for us. Take better shots, get better results.
Pikes formula for success isn't going to cut it this year. We will NEVER have another opportunity like this again and he's in the process of blowing his opportunity.
Cannot and does not coach offense.
Harper did Harper. The guy is a stud. Pike could have been taking a nap while we were on offense and the result would have been the same.
There are 100 teams that average 80 a game, we aren't one of them prior to today. Schedule hasn't been tough either. Offense hasn't been as large of an issue as defense, but its been an issue. Our offense is bottom half of the conference in points, shooting %, 3pt shooting %, ect.