PF/C Targets

[PirateBlue08]

Lack of size at this juncture is hugely concerning.

In past years we’ve had wing guards/forwards who could play at the PF spot if needed (Davis, Dar, Sanogo, Fisher, Rivera) but this year so far none of our current players outside of Mariano should ever play even a minute at the PF spot.

That’s what makes it even more dire right now.

 

[IronKaz1]

all our scorers r backcourt guys so grab 1-2 bigs 2 rebound i guess idk he gets paid 3 mil not me

 

[HallGuy2323]

Lack of size at this juncture is hugely concerning.

In past years we’ve had wing guards/forwards who could play at the PF spot if needed (Davis, Dar, Sanogo, Fisher, Rivera) but this year so far none of our current players outside of Mariano should ever play even a minute at the PF spot.

That’s what makes it even more dire right now.

 

[Hall Is Life]

Can’t believe ai am saying this but we are shaping up to be worse than 2 years ago. We have zero bigs and looks like the rest of what’s available is pretty trash. Tough times for Seton Hall.

We should all be grateful that Sha hasn’t jumped yet. I think the buck stops soon. We just can’t compete in this landscape and there is really not much to look forward to unfortunately.

So grateful for Sha!

 

[dehere23]

Zero need to panic until we see what the roster looks like. And I’m not one of the fanboys blind to reality, either. Last year should inspire some confidence. We have a bunch of guards/smaller wings that have the ability to create, score and/or shoot. I’m betting on Sha to get some of them to play defense and others like Wilcher will already be primed to play well defensively having been to “Pitino school” for 2 years and under Miller for another. I’m sure there are a few big bodied rim protectors around that will have their warts no doubt but can hopefully serve a purpose.

 

[Piratz]

Zero need to panic until we see what the roster looks like. And I’m not one of the fanboys blind to reality, either. Last year should inspire some confidence. We have a bunch of guards/smaller wings that have the ability to create, score and/or shoot. I’m betting on Sha to get some of them to play defense and others like Wilcher will already be primed to play well defensively having been to “Pitino school” for 2 years and under Miller for another. I’m sure there are a few big bodied rim protectors around that will have their warts no doubt but can hopefully serve a purpose.

This.

I see a very similar approach to last offseason. We have a style with Sha.

I like what he’s done in the 1-3 spots. There’s a lot to work with there.

The front court situation is scary. I’d feel better if we could’ve landed someone like that Hines guy at UConn, lmaoooooo

 

[joeyklings]

oh stop we have a nice 1-3 , after that though idk

Do we though?
I don’t like Clark and think we downgraded
Wilcher whose best year was averaging 8
Brown who didn’t do anything at P5 & can only shoot

 

[itsacurse]

Do we though?
I don’t like Clark and think we downgraded
Wilcher whose best year was averaging 8
Brown who didn’t do anything at P5 & can only shoot

wait hold on...THIS guy is being negative??? what?????

 

[joeyklings]

You can call it negative but right now it’s the truth

 

[donnie-baseball]

wait hold on...THIS guy is being negative??? what?????

What's funny is he's going to push back on Piratz, who is everything he is not: A good poster, an intelligent basketball guy, and literate.

 

[radecicco]

What's funny is he's going to push back on Piratz, who is everything he is not: A good poster, an intelligent basketball guy, and literate.

 

[joeyklings]

You all loved Clark last year, right?
Jones to Clark downgrade
Wilcher to Simpkins push/slight upgrade
Brown to McCray huge downgrade
G league kid to Fisher downgrade
??? to Payne/Hines huge downgrade

tell me I’m wrong

 

[mspaeth]

You all loved Clark last year, right?
Jones to Clark downgrade
Wilcher to Simpkins push/slight upgrade
Brown to McCray huge downgrade
G league kid to Fisher downgrade
??? to Payne/Hines huge downgrade

tell me I’m wrong

Wilcher to Simpkins - BIG upgrade.....the rest I cant argue with

 

[SPK145]

You all loved Clark last year, right?
Jones to Clark downgrade
Wilcher to Simpkins push/slight upgrade
Brown to McCray huge downgrade
G league kid to Fisher downgrade
??? to Payne/Hines huge downgrade

tell me I’m wrong

Where’s Thomas and Anderson? Don’t they count?

 

[hallwins]

Where’s Thomas and Anderson? Don’t they count?

Well, if we want to consider the entire roster, I guess. LOL

 

[joeyklings]

Bench slight upgrade. Anderson stinks

 

[joeyklings]

Wilcher to Simpkins - BIG upgrade.....the rest I cant argue with

Hard to say huge upgrade when Wilcher best year was averaging 8

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

It's a reference to that hot new show everyone is talking about, The Sopranos.

What time and what channel? I’d like to check it out.

 

[Merge]

You all loved Clark last year, right?
Jones to Clark downgrade
Wilcher to Simpkins push/slight upgrade
Brown to McCray huge downgrade
G league kid to Fisher downgrade
??? to Payne/Hines huge downgrade

tell me I’m wrong

Compare this year to last year at this point in time though. At this point last year, we didn't have Fisher, Hines, Parker or Williams.

We lost Wusu, Coleman, Jenkins, Middleton and Dual and replaced them with Clark Simpkins and McCray.
The general consensus here was not optimistic at all.

So while I can't tell you you're wrong about upgrades and downgrades today, I can definitely say that many here (myself included) were wrong about the upgrades / downgrades heading into the 25-26 season... I probably will never be optimistic in a year when we replace everyone, but this year, Sha earned some leeway and I won't be too judgmental until I see a full team actually on the court.

 

[Seton75]

Compare this year to last year at this point in time though. At this point last year, we didn't have Fisher, Hines, Parker or Williams.

We lost Wusu, Coleman, Jenkins, Middleton and Dual and replaced them with Clark Simpkins and McCray.
The general consensus here was not optimistic at all.

So while I can't tell you you're wrong about upgrades and downgrades today, I can definitely say that many here (myself included) were wrong about the upgrades / downgrades heading into the 25-26 season... I probably will never be optimistic in a year when we replace everyone, but this year, Sha earned some leeway and I won't be too judgmental until I see a full team actually on the court.

Not optimistic????? The general consensus was unmitigated disaster.

 

[mspaeth]

I thought we were going to be horrible, and I did not like any of the incoming players last year - except Hines.

 

[joeyklings]

I think most of us thought anything was going to be an upgrade. Sha wasn’t going 7-25, 2-18 again.
Clark averaged 19
Simpkins averaged 16
Fisher averaged 15
McCray played at Miami
Parker played at NC State
Williams played at LSU

 

[Silkcity Pirate]

We should wait till the final team is put together to see what we look like . I was told 3 different big men were on campus last weekend and hopefully we will get one of them this weekend . I was given no names . So lets see what happens .

 

[Merge]

I think most of us thought anything was going to be an upgrade. Sha wasn’t going 7-25, 2-18 again.
Clark averaged 19
Simpkins averaged 16
Fisher averaged 15
McCray played at Miami
Parker played at NC State
Williams played at LSU

Seems like you're just trolling now. List points for players who plated at lesser schools and just say "played at" for players who played at a better school but did not score much?
You don't think the 17 for Jones, 14 for Brown, 16 for Thomas compares to Clark, Simkins and Fisher?

No one here thought we were getting upgrades and we were picked to be last in the BE for a reason.

We clearly still need some pieces... but give it time and see where things land.

 

[HallGuy2323]

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[HallGuy2323]

You all loved Clark last year, right?
Jones to Clark downgrade
Wilcher to Simpkins push/slight upgrade
Brown to McCray huge downgrade
G league kid to Fisher downgrade
??? to Payne/Hines huge downgrade

tell me I’m wrong

I’m not exactly impressed with the 23 year old g-leaguer. But I can’t say he’s a downgrade to fisher yet.

It’s not like Fisher had a bunch of good games and some average games. He had a bunch of terrible games and a few average games. We’re not losing much there.

 

[joeyklings]

Seems like you're just trolling now. List points for players who plated at lesser schools and just say "played at" for players who played at a better school but did not score much?
You don't think the 17 for Jones, 14 for Brown, 16 for Thomas compares to Clark, Simkins and Fisher?

No one here thought we were getting upgrades and we were picked to be last in the BE for a reason.

We clearly still need some pieces... but give it time and see where things land.

Compared to Wusu Aligbe & Middleton. YES!!

 

[Piratz]

Not optimistic????? The general consensus was unmitigated disaster.

Exactly. When we do the preseason predictions it was a bloodbath. So the coach got those players to come together and play well, exceed the win totals by a wide margin. Some had better seasons that was projected and now we lament they’re gone a year later and compare what they became to what we’re bringing in.

Maybe same thing happens again.

@donnie-baseball 🫡

 

[shu67]

Piratz all true.

However, it was in reality a so so BE conference and only 3 decent teams none of which we could beat and thus a decent but not really impressive BE record. The out of conference results were good but again a very weak schedule.

I was happy with the season and if we can do it again this coming season I would be happy again. Not sure we can do it again. However we will not be an elite BE team. I can predict that right now. If we kept Hines and Budd we might have had a shot.

 

[Fishjam]

Trilly says look out for Chris Nwuli......the one guy Rutgers didn't re-up.

 

[radecicco]

We’ve reached the point where no news is not good news. But there’s still time.

 

[CaptBob]

Trilly's on a real hot streak--

 

[dehere23]

Piratz all true.

However, it was in reality a so so BE conference and only 3 decent teams none of which we could beat and thus a decent but not really impressive BE record. The out of conference results were good but again a very weak schedule.

I was happy with the season and if we can do it again this coming season I would be happy again. Not sure we can do it again. However we will not be an elite BE team. I can predict that right now. If we kept Hines and Budd we might have had a shot.

3 "decent" teams in the Big East last year? We had 2 top 10-15 teams, one of which went to the title game and the other to the Sweet 16 (and was playing at a level that you could have seen them in the Elite 8 or final 4 in a different bracket). Nova was better than "decent" unless you consider basically all the Willard teams (except 19-20) "decent".

 

[Piratz]

Piratz all true.

However, it was in reality a so so BE conference and only 3 decent teams none of which we could beat and thus a decent but not really impressive BE record. The out of conference results were good but again a very weak schedule.

I was happy with the season and if we can do it again this coming season I would be happy again. Not sure we can do it again. However we will not be an elite BE team. I can predict that right now. If we kept Hines and Budd we might have had a shot.

We surely missed a lot of opportunities. We also pulled games out we could’ve lost. Only 1 Q1 victory tells you all you need to know. But hey, that’s why they play the games and 21-12, 10-10 with final KP ranking of #51 and NET #53 is not a bad season, IMO. Maybe in another era in another version of the Big East it would’ve been worse. Or better. Who knows. It’s all theory. It was what it was and I enjoyed it after the year prior. Very close to being a good season. Nature of .500 teams.

Not sure I’ve ever seen a Seton Hall team more bipolar though with the O/D splits. Wowzers.

Agree on Clark/Hines, but let’s see how it plays out.

 

[The Crows Nest]

Trilly says look out for Chris Nwuli......the one guy Rutgers didn't re-up.

To us? I haven’t seen that anywhere.

Did he show enough to form an opinion if this US good?

 

[Fishjam]

He'd have to be super cheap as a wildcard 11th, 12th, 13th man. He has potential as a defensive ace but you can't spend money on risks or potential in this 1-year rental system. Could he develop in the Ish Sanogo/KC Ndefo role? He's not there yet. You have to be an excellent defender to overcome poor offense. He's more like Scotty Middleton when we got him. Long, twitchy, athlete with top 100 HS ranking who struggled his freshman year.

 

[dehere23]

This.

I see a very similar approach to last offseason. We have a style with Sha.

I like what he’s done in the 1-3 spots. There’s a lot to work with there.

The front court situation is scary. I’d feel better if we could’ve landed someone like that Hines guy at UConn, lmaoooooo

So many people "liked" my post about the roster and not flipping out at this point. The other side to that coin is that it is "OK" to not declare every player we sign a "good get" or "great get" simply because they are here. That doesn't make one "negative" or a "hater". It isn't whining either. With the exception of Wilcher, I'm not just sure how many folks have watched extensively any of the players coming in the door, or even heard about a bunch of them before they popped to the Hall. It's perfectly fine to adopt a "wait and see" approach for all those kids.

I agree with you the 1-3 has "potential"; aside from Wilcher, who I think will be "solid" overall. I think potential is the operative word though because it is all based on watching sanitized youtube clips and reading articles.

 

[shu67]

3 "decent" teams in the Big East last year? We had 2 top 10-15 teams, one of which went to the title game and the other to the Sweet 16 (and was playing at a level that you could have seen them in the Elite 8 or final 4 in a different bracket). Nova was better than "decent" unless you consider basically all the Willard teams (except 19-20) "decent".

You over interpreted my use of the word "decent". I meant it in the sense of 3 teams that were above the rest of the teams in the BE and worthy of the dance. If you want I will clarify. Villanova was good and St Johns and UConn were very good. They were the only decent teams in the BE.

Now are you happy?

 

[Anon1775157134]

 

[HALL85]

Twin towers if Sha can get Mbaye to return!!