Peyton Barber was asked why he declared for the draft...
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Not since 2010, if my memory serves me correct. But this shouldn't remind us about the rules; rather that this is a game. Sometimes human compassion should not retreat from human bureaucracy.
I'm not sure I get your point. Are you saying that boosters should pay for her
living expenses because her son is an above average SEC football player?
What about the kid that took out student loans AND is working 40 hours a week? His mom is on disability and is struggling too. Would a booster pay for his mom too?
For every football player's mom that the booster adopts...he must adopt four other students' moms that don't play sports? What's the rule?
living expenses because her son is an above average SEC football player?
What about the kid that took out student loans AND is working 40 hours a week? His mom is on disability and is struggling too. Would a booster pay for his mom too?
For every football player's mom that the booster adopts...he must adopt four other students' moms that don't play sports? What's the rule?
You raise a lot of interesting questions.** Sorry you don't understand what "homeless" means. You're one 17ed up SOB.
Ok. So the hardworking student's mom is homeless too.
I'm trying to figure out what you are saying. It sucks both are homeless. But that doesn't mean a booster can just pay for an athlete's parent's home. You understand that rules like this are in place because evil people exist. Rules exist because people suck.
I'm trying to figure out what you are saying. It sucks both are homeless. But that doesn't mean a booster can just pay for an athlete's parent's home. You understand that rules like this are in place because evil people exist. Rules exist because people suck.
17 U. 17 your hypotheticals. 17 your pessimistic rants. Who said **** about a booster? Is that 17n joke? You can't 17n distinguish between taking in someone off the street and giving them a roof over their head and buying someone a house. Peyton Barber already had a school and the money wouldn't have been going to him, so you need to check the rules. You probably think State shouldn't have recruited JRob because he was living in a car his senior year of high school.
So you think it's okay for someone to pay to go to school while their mom is on the street. Got it. Damn, I hope you don't [ETA: ever get] a degree from Miss. State.
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I wouldn't call them evil. For those that advocate not allowing college football players to be paid, the rule might remain in place because people are envious and don't like that some college athletes can generate $100k a year in value when they can't generate $50k a year after getting a degree, but I don't think that level of envy quite raises to the level of evil. And for a lot of people, the envy is subconscious. They don't want athletes to get paid because they used to not be paid. They don't even think about why they have come to their conclusion so they never even have to face their feelings of envy.
No. No. I'm saying rules, preventing a booster from putting a roof over a player's mom head or buying the mom a house, are in place to prevent the abuse of the system by evil people. In a perfect world, I, a booster, could buy a player's mom (who was struggling) groceries for the week or pay her rent for a month. Whatever it may be. Of course there isn't anything wrong with that. But you can't allow anything in that ballpark because there are evil people that would manipulate/distort/extend/anything goes that rationalization to buy players and their families.
And I don't think it's screwed up at all to give a full ride to a student, athlete, or student-athlete whose family members may be homeless. Thats ridiculous to suggest.
And I don't think it's screwed up at all to give a full ride to a student, athlete, or student-athlete whose family members may be homeless. Thats ridiculous to suggest.
U rite. I should know that it's better to leave someone on the street so that the university football team doesn't have to forfeit any games or lose scholarships or have its name defamed. What is the penalty for the player? He sits out a few games because someone took care of his mother? The situation is complicated because you don't understand it. Dubmass.
Clearly you think that because there are rules, there are no judges.
I understand that. But I believe that's not the problem with my analogy because an athletic booster isn't going to do that. That's the problem with the booster and to a larger degree society. The average booster isn't gonna give money to the regular student...because it doesn't benefit him or the athletic program. And, more practically, there won't be a system or network to funnel money to the regular student's family.
Edited to add: I'm all for the university to create a charitable organization that assists students and their families in the necessities of life. So that the student doesn't have to quit school to go home to "work on the farm." It would have to have a blind system. This organization would get a ton of "booster" money and benefit all.
Edited to add: I'm all for the university to create a charitable organization that assists students and their families in the necessities of life. So that the student doesn't have to quit school to go home to "work on the farm." It would have to have a blind system. This organization would get a ton of "booster" money and benefit all.
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Here's the deal. If you just let people "help out a football player in need," you're giving free range for boosters everywhere to pay players and you may as well just shut down the enforcement division. The NCAA has a benevolence fund that players can apply to for help, and they have in very limited circumstances allowed players to get help from boosters in the past. Yes, it sucks for a player like Barber (although if he makes it in the NFL he and his mom will be just fine). But you're really opening Pandora's Box if you just allow an Auburn booster to help him right now. Hell, if anyone wants to be a good Samaritan for him right now, there's nothing in the world stopping them. I wonder how many Auburn boosters will step up now that his eligibility is gone.
The NCAA has clearly stated that they will not act against 3rd parties associated with the player. So your argument is misplaced.
You are an evil person. And you are the reason that there are rules.**
I used to think your rants were a gimmick but now I see that you are not very bright. Thanks for confirming our worse fears.
That's an easy answer... 121josey is truly an idiot. Easily the dumbest poster on sps.
I agree with the point you've been making in this thread. As much as it sucks, you can't allow a booster to pay for his moms house. Because I highly doubt there are any other non-football students that same booster is taking care of. Perfect example of this is how many poor homeless kids has a certain OM family helped in Memphis? We all know the answer to that and we all know why.
OK. Money solves all problems. How about I write her a check for $15? That's about how much I care about it. But nobody - booster or charity - in a better position to assist has cared to helped them. I don't know how they got in this situation, but Barber's family doesn't seem to be looking for a handout.
I'm also proving your point that passing winter nights without a warm place to sleep is less important than how many yards a relative rushed for this season.**
Nothing you have said makes any sense. Your position, apparently, is that any booster can give any parent of any CURRENT student athlete ANY amount of assistance as long as it was not used to induce them to sign with said school. And, you actually believe NCAA rulings support this. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Then, somehow, I am evil for pointing out why these rules exist...to prevent what has happened at USC/Ole Miss to somehow be defensible or twisted as receiving a permissible benefit. Hell, in the legal field, attorneys have been reprimanded and suspended from practicing law for doing the right thing. (forwarding a 20 dollar copay for client's MD visit to receive treatment, forwarding a 200 rental payment so the client is not on the street, paying client's car insurance for a month, etc). Judges enforce these rules acknowledging that the result is wrong but the rules are there to protect the client from crooked lawyers.
I don't know what you do for a living but, whatever it is, I hope you don't have to think logically. I guess when all else fails, result to name calling. That's what Trump does.
Then, somehow, I am evil for pointing out why these rules exist...to prevent what has happened at USC/Ole Miss to somehow be defensible or twisted as receiving a permissible benefit. Hell, in the legal field, attorneys have been reprimanded and suspended from practicing law for doing the right thing. (forwarding a 20 dollar copay for client's MD visit to receive treatment, forwarding a 200 rental payment so the client is not on the street, paying client's car insurance for a month, etc). Judges enforce these rules acknowledging that the result is wrong but the rules are there to protect the client from crooked lawyers.
I don't know what you do for a living but, whatever it is, I hope you don't have to think logically. I guess when all else fails, result to name calling. That's what Trump does.
No. That's not what I'm saying. The NCAA has said that it won't pursue action against ANY benefits given to 3rd parties. How can you not understand that? If you doubt that, were you not alive during the $cam?
Hey, this ain't the legal profession. This is the NCAA. They have their own toothless procedures and make up rules, I mean guidelines, as they go Your analogies suck.
Please remind me what happened to USC/Ole Miss. I'm clearly not on your level of NCAA trivia.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/01/ncaa_adopts_cecil_newton_rule.html
The Newton loophole has closed. See above.
But also important, remember what the NCAA found? My recollection is that they officially "found" that Cecil solicited money from MSU only, no proof Cam knew, no solicitation from AU, and no proof money changed hands. They botched the hell out of that thing.
The Newton loophole has closed. See above.
But also important, remember what the NCAA found? My recollection is that they officially "found" that Cecil solicited money from MSU only, no proof Cam knew, no solicitation from AU, and no proof money changed hands. They botched the hell out of that thing.
I'm not saying it's a good situation. Making that clear. It definitely sucks.
That being said, he says in the interview that the mom is staying with her daughter and her three grand kids in an apartment. She's not literally out on the streets. I'm happy he has a chance to make some $ to help her get her own place and I'm happy she's not sleeping in a car, on the streets or even in a shelter.
That being said, he says in the interview that the mom is staying with her daughter and her three grand kids in an apartment. She's not literally out on the streets. I'm happy he has a chance to make some $ to help her get her own place and I'm happy she's not sleeping in a car, on the streets or even in a shelter.
I find it interesting that people who typically identify as conservatives and want government and regulation out of their lives are the first people to denounce college athletes getting any more compensation than a scholarship.
Maybe the answer is to put these same restrictions on any student receiving a scholarship. If you are on scholarship, nobody can buy you a meal, give you a job, or give you cash in any way. That should ensure the integrity of scholarship that everyone is so concerned about.
Maybe the answer is to put these same restrictions on any student receiving a scholarship. If you are on scholarship, nobody can buy you a meal, give you a job, or give you cash in any way. That should ensure the integrity of scholarship that everyone is so concerned about.
And that proves my point. NOthing in that post sounded evil, just not thought out. You can get a rule with evil results without many of the people supporting it actually being evil.
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