Perry Noble Removed
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If Clayton King becomes the permanent pastor things will change but I have my doubts he will give up his ministry to take over Newspring full time. Regardless of what people think of Perry Noble being the face and leader of a church that large is extremely stressful.
I've been an owner for a decade and have never once turned in tax returns. Thinking that 30,000 people would actually turn in their tax returns is insane.
I believe that the New Testament teaches that God loves a cheerful giver. There are several great passages in Corinthians on giving that we live by.
I beleieve everything I have comes from the Lord. I see my giving as a way to identify with the Lord. He gave the most anyone could give.
I liked that Newspring taught on money. Jesus talks about money almost as much as anything else. Jesus understood that your money is closely tied to your heart. In other words you can follow a mans heart by what he does with his money.
Hopes this clears this up for you. In my decade at Newspring nobody has even asked what I made much less sought a tax return.
I am praying for Perry and his family as well as the Newspring church family. They are all hurting and need the support of fellow Christians.
However, I do want to point out one thing. I see a lot of comments on social media about Perry being brave in this ordeal. That may be the case, but the leadership of Newspring should also receive kudos for their bravery. In a day and age where so many people don't hold people to standards, this leadership team has made a tough decision with their senior leader to take their ultimate step of discipline. It seems to me that Perry's bravery has come when he has no other option and all would have been better had he dealt with this months or years ago.
However, I do want to point out one thing. I see a lot of comments on social media about Perry being brave in this ordeal. That may be the case, but the leadership of Newspring should also receive kudos for their bravery. In a day and age where so many people don't hold people to standards, this leadership team has made a tough decision with their senior leader to take their ultimate step of discipline. It seems to me that Perry's bravery has come when he has no other option and all would have been better had he dealt with this months or years ago.
You have me completely wrong. I am a Christian and I love that Swinney is a professed Christian.....I just don't like that our program is associated with a cultish church like Newspring and a fake Christian zealot fraud like Perry Noble.
That's all.
I'm leaving this here for you since you've never seen it. It is mind bottling that anyone in their right mind could want to attend church to listen to this lunatic.
Most New Springers do not worship Perry like a God. You're very wrong there. Please stop that aquization.
Did you watch it? You better be glad that I showed this to you because otherwise you would've never known that your car/truck is gonna break down if you don't hurry to Newspring and give your 10%. The first fruits are very important there.
If he wasn't called to preach, why has his ministry resulted in the fastest growing church in America?
Preaching, not taching, is clearly his annointing.
Yea. Reminds me why i no longer attend Church. Kinda pisses me off that psycho had so much influence over people. First time i've heard him speak besides when he said the N word lol
The old testament was before the gospel of grace, which began at the cross. We are not under the Law, or the 10 commandments.
"Sin shall have now power over us, for we are not under Law, but grace."
Rom 8:1 There is NO CONDEMNATION for those who accept Christ Jesus."
The single biggest problem in the church today is that they do not understand that law and grace are opposites. They are taught mixture. Jesus tries to warn this. Remember what He said about putting new wone in old wineskins? That is exactly why you see no miracles in yiur church. You are taught mixture.
"There's a reason you can't keep your kid out of the Doctors office."
Holy ****. New Spring "Owners" thoughts?
Not sure what everyone's problem is with money. Jesus talked about money a lot. Money is important. The physical part of God's Kingdom operates on money.
Yet a lot of people don't seem to want the blessings that are promised them when they faithfully tithe.
Why would you not want to be blessed?
Do you think God is a liar?
I don't.
Same as Joel Osteen. Just cause someone has the fastest growing church in America doesn't mean they have been called to preach. I'll back up what I say with God's Word can you show me scripture backing up your statement about growing a church means they've been called to preach?
Exactly. The prosperity gospel. People run to that. They don't want to hear about sin, denying themselves, and taking up their cross and walking with him daily. It's what they can get from it. Say a prayer, say you accept Jesus, and then do whatever you like. You are saved. It's a watered down gospel.
Obviously if they removed him then things have gotten real bad, if not reckless. At some point would it not be worse for his church if he had been caught with a DUI or a disorderly conduct charge? The risk then of his church imploding would have been way too high. I am sure they made this move out of love and compassion (including to others who depend on that church) and after they gave him more than enough chances.
I once heard someone say "the church needs you far more than you need it" And that is true.
There are plenty of good churches out there, and if just two or three people meet in your living room to worship, that is church.
So many churches today have turned into huge money makers.NewSpring was ran 100% like a business, it was not a chuch. They talked about money every service and many of the sermons were focused entirely on money. They boasted regularly about their attendance and how many people they supposedly saved...metrics just like a business would use. Even yesterday they mentioned mutliple times they had the "best leaders and best church in the world"
That is not God's idea of a church.
There are plenty of good churches out there, and if just two or three people meet in your living room to worship, that is church.
So many churches today have turned into huge money makers.NewSpring was ran 100% like a business, it was not a chuch. They talked about money every service and many of the sermons were focused entirely on money. They boasted regularly about their attendance and how many people they supposedly saved...metrics just like a business would use. Even yesterday they mentioned mutliple times they had the "best leaders and best church in the world"
That is not God's idea of a church.
Unless..........Announcement by the CUAD that PN is gonna be the new Team Chaplain! lol
God doesn't want your money. Give 10% of your time to someone who needs it. The average month is 30 days. That's 3 days a month spent helping, volunteering, giving of your heart to someone who will truly be touched by Love. One weekend a month.
God is Love. Compassion is the hand of God.
We worship money in this country. "In God We Trust" is printed on every face of it. With no gold standard, it takes great faith from us to believe that the number printed on a green piece of paper is worth face value. Most of US devoutly report for work, and worship at the Alter of Money 5 days a week, if not more. We work hard for our money, and resent those that don't work for it, or won't work for it. We work too hard to just give it to someone who needs it more than us. It divides us.
But God's Love can't be spent. It can only be shared. And when it's shared, it does not dissipate, but is multiplied. It resonates within us, and unites us.
I hope PN gets the help he needs. No man/woman is wired to handle the pressure of leading 30,000+ passionate followers. I know I would crumble under that weight. And I'm sure if the board of New Spring followed me around Charleston this past weekend, they would probably come to the same conclusions about me as they did Perry.
So, no stones thrown.
God is Love. Compassion is the hand of God.
We worship money in this country. "In God We Trust" is printed on every face of it. With no gold standard, it takes great faith from us to believe that the number printed on a green piece of paper is worth face value. Most of US devoutly report for work, and worship at the Alter of Money 5 days a week, if not more. We work hard for our money, and resent those that don't work for it, or won't work for it. We work too hard to just give it to someone who needs it more than us. It divides us.
But God's Love can't be spent. It can only be shared. And when it's shared, it does not dissipate, but is multiplied. It resonates within us, and unites us.
I hope PN gets the help he needs. No man/woman is wired to handle the pressure of leading 30,000+ passionate followers. I know I would crumble under that weight. And I'm sure if the board of New Spring followed me around Charleston this past weekend, they would probably come to the same conclusions about me as they did Perry.
So, no stones thrown.
If McDonalds doesn't make the best burger in the world, why do they sell the most of them?
If that's what the leadership is admitting to publicly, you can bet that real story is much worse. Hopefully Noble will get real help instead of relying on one of those "gospel based counseling" nutjobs he tells his congregation to go to.
We don't know- any may never know- the real story here. The crisis management approach here is to admit as little as you have to and move on. Hopefully, Noble avails himself of some real, professional mental health/counseling and maybe during the course of his recovery he'll see how deeply flawed (albeit profitable)his teachings/theology have been.
He won't. After using the N-word, he apologized, but it wasn't a real apology. Same case once he figured out his 10 Commandments message was bogus. Even his apology yesterday wasn't really an admission fo guilt.
The guy is probably the most conceited, vain, and narcisitic person I have ever known.
Narcissism is rampant among clergy. And substance abuse is a big issue among clergy. Lots of pressure + insecurity...
I don't know about rampant. I know a good many and their hearts or in the right place.
So when I go to the bar for a few too many pops, can I call it "Pullin' a Perry"?
Dude's a fraud, and shouldnt be in a church..he's not even a pastor......This thread rocks, BTW...
Hope he finds peace though.....everyone deserves that....
Dude's a fraud, and shouldnt be in a church..he's not even a pastor......This thread rocks, BTW...
Hope he finds peace though.....everyone deserves that....
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The Bible says in Matthew 6:24 that the top competitor for our commitment to Jesus is money. Giving allows us to demonstrate that He is more important to us than material things. Not having cash or check on hand doesn’t have to hold you back from giving, you can be obedient today by giving online. There is no organization with more potential to change the world than the local church!
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That is on the website right under "Our Core Values".
If anyone was really serious about taking up their cross and following Jesus they would meet under a tree to hear a sermon and then spend all of their free time serving others. Fancy buildings, awesome music and comfortable conditions would be the last things anyone worried about.