Penson it is

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
60,788
32,129
113
Yeah. If you think she's the one, you don't lose this deal over that. Never be afraid to hire the best coach because you think he/she might do well and leave.
 

57stratdawg

Heisman
Dec 1, 2004
148,721
24,593
113
I would fold on that if I’m McCray. I’m sure you want to get back to UT, but MSU is likely going to hang her a million-per-year salary. Plus, the returning team is a national caliber contender if you can hold it together.

That seems like a lot to sacrifice just so that one day you might be able to jump to Knoxville.
 

Len2003

Redshirt
May 13, 2018
1,103
0
36
I just don't think you can hold someone to a non-compete clause if you want the best. This isn't a marriage and til death do us part.
 

woozman

All-Conference
Nov 13, 2004
3,456
2,693
113
Seems like a fairly easy thing to compromise on. You can limit the non-compete to a certain timeframe or replace it with a very large buyout.
 

bruiser.sixpack

Redshirt
Aug 13, 2009
7,346
0
0
He is tired of getting burned. He will probably let it go. He of all people should understand that Obscure little Starkville, Ms., with no Target within 80 miles, is not going to hold a coach for more than 8 or 9 years and even less if the home folk start calling.***
 

Nunya.sixpack

Redshirt
Jun 10, 2019
3,175
0
0
Seems like a fairly easy thing to compromise on. You can limit the non-compete to a certain timeframe or replace it with a very large buyout.

this.

I would hate to see her jump next year because UT got tired of their current coach.
 

She Mate Me

Heisman
Dec 7, 2008
15,351
14,947
113
Translation: She wants to be able to leave for Tennessee and Cohen wants to block that.

If that is truly the issue, that would be pretty rich coming from a guy who went back to his alma mater from an SEC school. Apparently Mullen had no such language in his deal.
 

bruiser.sixpack

Redshirt
Aug 13, 2009
7,346
0
0
Seems like a fairly easy thing to compromise on. You can limit the non-compete to a certain timeframe or replace it with a very large buyout.

☝🏻Yep. Make the buyout painful for the Vol Nation. Even at UT, I suspect Women’s basketball loses tons of money for the program. It may be important to some fans, but they will be hesitant to pay a large buyout when they are trying to get their football program back up from the abyss. Salary of $1 mil and a buyout of $2 mil should do it.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
60,788
32,129
113
I just don't think you can hold someone to a non-compete clause if you want the best. This isn't a marriage and til death do us part.
Exactly. Non-competes and huge buyouts are useless. If a coach wants to leave and that's the only thing keeping him/her at your school, you're going to be stuck with a coach who doesn't want to be here and isn't happy about it.
 

ColoradoDawg

Redshirt
Sep 3, 2016
511
0
0
Let's just hope she can win with the talent on the roster and keep us competitive down the road. I think we all realize that no matter who we got it was going to be a downgrade.

For those of us who still haven't made our mind up about Cohen...
this hire, depending on how it goes, may give us a chance to start noticing some trends with his hiring of head coaches

This situation feels a lot like Mullen's departure. Vic left with a full cupboard so there really isn't any reason for the new coach to under perform
 

G-Dawg

Sophomore
Sep 6, 2012
1,190
107
63
You're right. Technically it's in Germantown, but sits almost on the G'town-Collierville line.
 

engie

Sophomore
May 29, 2011
10,763
106
63
☝Yep. Make the buyout painful for the Vol Nation. Even at UT, I suspect Women’s basketball loses tons of money for the program. It may be important to some fans, but they will be hesitant to pay a large buyout when they are trying to get their football program back up from the abyss. Salary of $1 mil and a buyout of $2 mil should do it.

They don't lose a "ton" of money and actually make a few $$ when they are good. So, there is potential there for them to be profitable. The same could also be said for us, however. We aren't quite there yet, but we were headed in that direction.

Survey YearBasketball Women's Team ExpensesBasketball Women's Team RevenueBasketball Women's NetTotal of last 16 years
2003$3,560,970.00$4,424,452.00$863,482.00-$4,173,438.00
2004$3,189,476.00$4,026,702.00$837,226.00
2005$3,852,444.00$3,897,570.00$45,126.00
2006$2,628,217.00$2,404,777.00-$223,440.00
2007$4,233,078.00$4,120,592.00-$112,486.00
2008$5,505,854.00$3,795,813.00-$1,710,041.00
2009$6,022,984.00$5,230,451.00-$792,533.00
2010$5,892,060.00$4,958,365.00-$933,695.00
2011$6,172,601.00$4,094,317.00-$2,078,284.00
2012$3,753,604.00$4,852,962.00$1,099,358.00
2013$4,270,690.00$7,052,275.00$2,781,585.00
2014$4,813,394.00$4,837,245.00$23,851.00
2015$5,098,213.00$4,397,709.00-$700,504.00
2016$4,583,377.00$3,944,384.00-$638,993.00
2017$4,873,207.00$3,871,125.00-$1,002,082.00
2018$5,136,192.00$3,504,184.00-$1,632,008.00

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Internet Cowboy

Redshirt
Aug 30, 2012
84
0
0
Yeah. If you think she's the one, you don't lose this deal over that. Never be afraid to hire the best coach because you think he/she might do well and leave.

maybe so, But we are talking about just a 4 year contract and she cannot agree to SEC non-compete to come here for 4years. She can re-negotiate that on the extensions especially if she then has leverage here from doing well and getting extensions to her liking.
But it shows an AD right out of the gate a coach wants the opportunity to leave within 3-4 years. It is a good barometer at the least.
 

dog12

Senior
Sep 15, 2016
1,950
592
113
Very excited to get NM-P if this holds true. Not the extended track record/resume as a HC as Walz, but she took over an OD program that was in much worse shape than Walz did, and not able to recruit as well at OD as was possible at UL. She appears to have made a HUGE impact on OD. They play great defense, but also improved their offense significantly under her.

Imagine what she wil be able to do with the recruits & support she will get here. Also, she spent 10 years on Staley's staff, and was teammates with DS on the national team. That could prove very useful for us when playing them & recruiting against them.

My favorite part is that she was on Dawn Staley's staff at South Carolina from 2008 (Staley's first year at USC) until 2017 (the season they beat us for the national championship).

It goes without saying that Staley is a highly-successful coach during her reign at USC. And McCray-Penson was there for 9 seasons watching and learning.

Hopefully, NM-P will be able to hold our team together and quickly take us to even greater heights.

Interesting stat: overall, Vic Schaefer was 3-12 against Dawn Staley's South Carolina teams. That's almost complete domination.

After spending 9 seasons with Staley at USC, maybe NM-P can help us learn how to beat them on a regular basis.
 

RocketDawg

All-Conference
Oct 21, 2011
20,180
2,934
113
My favorite part is that she was on Dawn Staley's staff at South Carolina from 2008 (Staley's first year at USC) until 2017 (the season they beat us for the national championship).

It goes without saying that Staley is a highly-successful coach during her reign at USC. And McCray-Penson was there for 9 seasons watching and learning.

Hopefully, NM-P will be able to hold our team together and quickly take us to even greater heights.

Interesting stat: overall, Vic Schaefer was 3-12 against Dawn Staley's South Carolina teams. That's almost complete domination.

After spending 9 seasons with Staley at USC, maybe NM-P can help us learn how to beat them on a regular basis.

Let's hope Staley's personality and behavior didn't rub off. She should be fine otherwise.
 

blacklistedbully

All-Conference
Sep 8, 2008
4,245
1,042
113
After spending 9 seasons with Staley at USC, maybe NM-P can help us learn how to beat them on a regular basis.
Unbiased officiating alone would make that a lot more even. How many times has helmet-head & her crew screwed us with them?
 
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