The kicker for PSU has made headlines for being a tackling machine on kick offs but other teams are starting to come after him. What are your thoughts on some of these hits against him after plays?
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Penn State Kicker targeted 2 separate weeks, 2 players ejected.
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After whistle hits must be called.
But, if you're gonna run down the field and be a "big man", you deserve it.
And I don't mean you get to "pick and choose" which kicks you are covering. You did it more than once, you're fair game all season now.
Ps- the kids a"flopper" as well.
But, if you're gonna run down the field and be a "big man", you deserve it.
And I don't mean you get to "pick and choose" which kicks you are covering. You did it more than once, you're fair game all season now.
Ps- the kids a"flopper" as well.
Minnesota one was not that bad and probably deserved a flag but nothing else. The Maryland hit was BS the ball was kicked out of bounds with no return that kid took a cheap shot at the kicker and earned his ejection and suspension.
First hit seemed fine to me; not sure what the penalty was for. Second was after the play was over so the MD player deserved the ejection.
Lastly, the kicker had the last laugh because he was fine after both hits.
Lastly, the kicker had the last laugh because he was fine after both hits.
Wish someone would have done that to Peppers...Harbaugh too.
The Minnesota play was a penalty, but probably not worthy of targeting/ejection - maybe as the rule is written (which is horrible, btw) but not in a world where football was still a physical sport. It looked much worse live than it did on replay.
The Maryland one was dirty, and I'm fairly sure it wasn't the first time the kid acted like an idiot. Durkin actually suspended him today.
I mentioned to my wife in the stands during the Minn. game that the downside to Julius becoming this cult hero almost and laying guys out on kick coverage, is he's going to become a target himself. That said, hitting him is one thing, doing so after the play or in the manner the MD player did, is uncalled for.
The Maryland one was dirty, and I'm fairly sure it wasn't the first time the kid acted like an idiot. Durkin actually suspended him today.
I mentioned to my wife in the stands during the Minn. game that the downside to Julius becoming this cult hero almost and laying guys out on kick coverage, is he's going to become a target himself. That said, hitting him is one thing, doing so after the play or in the manner the MD player did, is uncalled for.
No one wants to get laid out by the kicker, so they are doing it to him before he gets the chance to do it to them, and if football doesn't work out he can become an actor. That said, those players are getting sucked into his trap. Don't do it! You can't hit someone after plays.
If he's acting like a regular special team member rushing into action ,he's the same as any of the other Nit special team members and shouldn't be protected because he's their kicker
But like every player he should not be subjected to illegal hits and protected just like every other player penalty wise when that happens.
But like every player he should not be subjected to illegal hits and protected just like every other player penalty wise when that happens.
It looks to me likes he's got a little bit of the soccer player mentality...that is, he's taking a hit but then covering his face to make it look worse.
You have to look at these videos as if you're watching any regular player covering a kickoff coverage as that is what he has made himself.
Calling a penalty on either is ridiculous if the play was still ongoing. If the whistle blew then they are both late hits. Ejection seems overboard to me (unless it was wayyy after the whistle ) and was probably just because he's a kicker and because he clearly over reacted.
Calling a penalty on either is ridiculous if the play was still ongoing. If the whistle blew then they are both late hits. Ejection seems overboard to me (unless it was wayyy after the whistle ) and was probably just because he's a kicker and because he clearly over reacted.
Kicker? That guy looks like an offensive lineman. Neither of those hits should be targeting imo. Both shoulder to shoulder. Minnesota play should have been an unsportsmanlike on him for diving, the dude that hit him was half his size. On the other one, offsetting penalties, replay the down.
Guy looks like Ronaldo out there flopping around like a fish.
Guy looks like Ronaldo out there flopping around like a fish.
Tell you what, PSU will decleat your K after the whistle blows and we can talk about how fair it is.
He definitely flopped but that doesn't negate that people are cracking him after the play is over.
As an FYI, Durkin said if the refs wouldn't have ejected him, he would have never let him see the field for the remainder of the game.
It's really cool to be able to see what I would look like in a Penn State uniform.
Would Joey hesitate to whack the **** out of the player on the return ?...He got lucky for several weeks and so now he gets blocked and it's unfair because he's the kicker...tell him to run off the field the moment he kicks the pigskin...I was always taught...if your on the kick off teams expect to get leveled at some point...The Minnesota hit was far from illegal...at Penn State so you know which way that call was going.
Its not unfair that he is getting hit, it's that he is getting hit on a touch back and a ball kicked out of bounds after the whistle. The best part is he is drawing an extra blocker which can only help the coverage unit.
EDIT: I originally thought the UMD one was worse but I just re-watched the clips. Minny: You can hear the whistle at the 35 second mark and he get hits at about the 40 second mark. UMD: You can watch the ball go out of bounds at the 7 second mark, but the ref bobbles his whistle and it sounds about the 10 second mark and you hear the crowd erupt a second or two later. While both were clearly after the whistle the UMD one was closer to the whistle even though the play was dead for roughly 5 seconds.
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Dude, our kicker weighs like 90 pounds less than that guy, and he doesn't head straight downfield after the kick looking for contact. He mills around back there like most kickers do, praying the play doesn't come near our half of the field! Your guy reminds me of Claude Lemieux, one of my favorite Devils of all time. He would skate right down there, get in the mix, irritate people as much as he can, and as soon as someone dropped the gloves he'd turtle or flop to draw a penalty. Love him if he's on your team, hate him if he's not. I will withhold judgement until I see what he did on every kickoff prior to those highlights. I suspect he was down there shoving ppl in the face, clutching jerseys, just being a pest and skating on the edge of a penalty knowing he's getting the benefit of the doubt because he's the kicker. Those guys didn't hit him randomly, I'd bet a good meal he'd pissed them off extensively before that play and they'd had enough and lost their cool.
Never in my life would I have imagined I'd see a place kicker be an agitator. I do have to give the guy a grudging amount of respect.
Both were well after the whistle and no where near the play. Both opposing coaches agreed they were cheap shot. The Maryland coach added another half to the kids suspension.
Work with a guy whose daughter is in the theater program out there. I'll have to ask him if this guy is in any of her classes.
and that is the key.... but the guy saw at least one coming and didn't try to defend himself and definitely a flopper.
that said they were very much indeed penalties.
if he comes down the field at RU I hope he gets leveled in the course of a legal play. If not, then we need to be smart. But you cannot have it both ways.
let me add that I have respect for any kicker who is in the mix and never understood why a team would give up the extra tackler if you got a guy who could boot it downfield. Just saying you can't over protect them either (which in this case was not the case)
Does it really matter how much you piss someone off if it is done legally and during a play when the penalty and ejections were talking about occur because of hits well after the play is over?
For the umpteenth time. It's not that he's getting hit/blocked, its that the hits are coming well after the whistle.
He has a soccer background so there is definitely some acting (staying on the ground for a couple seconds) going on but its not like he flopping like soccer players. I mean he is legitimately getting squared up.
I don't think anyone is questioning the penalty against the Maryland player. It was way over the top and just cannot be allowed.
The kid has shown he can more than handle himself. Along with his leg he's now in the heads of opposing players. Pretty smart and can only help PSU's coverage as I don't think many return units concern themselves with the kicker. He's made himself someone they need to block at the 25 instead of after the return guy breaks thru he initial line.
So do you think these two guys both happened to decide it was a super idea to go ahead and headhunt the kicker on the other team just out of the blue? I know you don't. For crying out loud, look at the Minnesota video. What do the announcers say at that first kickoff where he's wrestling the dude?
"Julius, the kicker, we highlighted him in the pregame, he's a monster, he wants to get in a fight."
Even in the other clip the announcers are saying the guy has gotten a reputation. Look, the hits after the whistle aren't legal. I'm not saying that. I am saying that if Bill Romanowski and Sean Avery had a gay love child, it was Joey Julius. Enjoy him while you have him, and pray he doesn't end up in the NFL on your team's rival.
Yeah i'm sorry, this dude is a class A flopper and a punk. Cannot respect that.
You're a 300lb kicker and you want to catch ppl off guard by leveling 180lb ballcarriers at full speed like you're badass then go right ahead. This is football after all. But don't then turn around and act like youve been stabbed to death whenever a guy closer to your size bumps into you, and play the "oh im just a poor little kicker" role. Buck up.
He's a football player, but I guess tubbie needs to be treated like a special needs player?
Cool.
After the whistle blows on a play, I hope Marcus Allen decleats one of your WRs.
You can't run up and clock someone 3-5 seconds after the whistle blows. If you think that is okay then you're simply not very bright.
Totally agree with you. Anything AFTER the whistle is up for a stiff penalty. BUT, if a kicker goes downfield after he kicks then he is fair game to be decked.Just one less guy who could block for a return.
Any kid who flops is being disrespectful to the game and his own coach and father should have words with him about it. If you want to fake hurt, go play soccer. Heck even the NBA will fine floppers now and they pretty much invented it.
So do all 10 other players on special teams deserve to be hit late after the whistle? What kind of logic is that? Will you try and say kick returners who try to return the ball deserve to be hit after the whistle? There nothing in the rules that says he can not cover kicks or he can't be blocked. Simply covering kick doesn't mean you deserve cheap shots. I find it ironic that both opposing coaches agreed that it was a cheap shot and uncalled for but fans are trying to defend it.