Paterno thread (merged)
- Thread starter RedSpartan
- Start date
Yeah, if my boss told me don't report a child rape my next steps would be calling 911 and drafting my resignation.
Yeah just imagine.
911 Operator: Hello what is your emergency?
Joe: This is Joe Paterno I'm reporting a child rape
911 Operator: Sorry, this is a non issue, pedophiles are liars, good day sir
Joe: But
911 Operator: I said good day!
Your entire body of work is deny reality. Anyone who would not call the cops when told of child rape is human filth, as is anyone who defends them....aka you
If she built a library, put a ring on her.
Also what if when she banged those 6, she really thought she was just having an agressive work out because she's old school. Then she's basically a virgin.
Basically get a statue of her, stat.
Maybe you misunderstood and she actually said she only slept with 6 other guys that entire night?
I've made it extremely clear that I don't know one way or another what happened and thus my mind is far from made up. Again, not every RU fan hates penn state the way u do
Again, it's documented that Mike Mcqueary reported an 'incident' but he's changed his story more times than I can count (I can count to 5) and the victim himself has even testified that nothing occurred in the lasch building that night. So in other words u are jumping to the conclusion that Joe knew it was child rape. I don't believe he knew it was anything like that. It's ok to disagree
I'm not even talking about penn state. I'm talking about you in a penn state thread.
For all you know, my brother's wife's uncle's cousin once met Paterno and he idolized him so much and my whole family really loved the guy. Or maybe not. You just don't know.
But you sure seem to make assumptions about my thoughts without knowing them -- something you're getting awfully defensive about as it relates to penn state.
This guy (DNA) who says people on this site incessantly talk about everything PSU has single handedly kept this thread going an additional 5 pages.
No I'm defensive as it relates to DNA. You've done nothing but troll me this thread 02' and have broken numerous board rules with ur attacks towards me and I'm honestly sick of them. I don't agree with u, ok move on. Surely there are more important things you can be doing with your time than troll me on a message board
Hysterical. I'm trolling you. And what do you disagree with me on? What position have I taken you disagree with?
This thread probably needs to die.
@DNA22 is, quite simply, a True Believer.
You can't argue with True Believers. And he's probably a perfectly nice guy, outside of his total commitment to a point of view that many of us consider illogical, unreasonable and possibly clinically diagnosable.
There's really nothing to be gained from continuing the discussion. It is, in a very real way, sisyphean.
@DNA22 is, quite simply, a True Believer.
You can't argue with True Believers. And he's probably a perfectly nice guy, outside of his total commitment to a point of view that many of us consider illogical, unreasonable and possibly clinically diagnosable.
There's really nothing to be gained from continuing the discussion. It is, in a very real way, sisyphean.
I know he denies it, but I bet he's Reppin. Look at his posting history... Constant digs at RU, constantly mentioning us losing to Penn State, and now this insane Paterno defense. Same pattern of pretending to be a fan while propping up Penn State at every turn.
I called it on page 7 around noon today, but he posted a solid response and a personal email. Thought I ruled him out but now I'm teetering
Somebody will have to explain to me that, after there were public accusations and investigations into Sandusky's behavior decades ago while Joe was still coaching, even when he was supposedly cleared of them, after McQueary reported to Joe about what he saw in the shower, how in the hell did Joe allow Sandusky to keep his office, be allowed the run of the Penn State football facilities, bring boys with him to bowl games, etc. etc.?
At that point, Joe HAD to know that Sandusky's actions didn't pass the smell test, yet he kept him around. My opinion is that Joe didn't get the gravity of what was going on with regard to pedophilia (the most innocent version), he wanted to protect the image of his program, and once it got to a certain point, he couldn't lower the boom on Jerry, because Jerry could turn around and say that Joe knew all along...he needed to ease Sandusky out (the "retirement") and take care of everything inside the program, like he did with all the player discipline problems. Only this wasn't about some football players committing stupid and sometimes petty crimes. This was rampant and long-term acts of pedophilia. Even if some of the claims and paid claims were sketchy, there was a LOT of crap coming down. I have a sense that Sandusky and the actions known thus far are only the tip of the iceberg.
Some apologists can assert the claim that there's no proof...but there's certainly a preponderance of evidence and a reasonable person could easily come to the conclusion that Joe and his superiors knew...and did little or nothing about it.
FTR, I don't hate Penn State. I want to beat the crap out of their football team, but it is a fine academic institution. A certain percentage of their supporters have a misguided worship of a football coach who wasn't as saintly as they'd all like to believe.
At that point, Joe HAD to know that Sandusky's actions didn't pass the smell test, yet he kept him around. My opinion is that Joe didn't get the gravity of what was going on with regard to pedophilia (the most innocent version), he wanted to protect the image of his program, and once it got to a certain point, he couldn't lower the boom on Jerry, because Jerry could turn around and say that Joe knew all along...he needed to ease Sandusky out (the "retirement") and take care of everything inside the program, like he did with all the player discipline problems. Only this wasn't about some football players committing stupid and sometimes petty crimes. This was rampant and long-term acts of pedophilia. Even if some of the claims and paid claims were sketchy, there was a LOT of crap coming down. I have a sense that Sandusky and the actions known thus far are only the tip of the iceberg.
Some apologists can assert the claim that there's no proof...but there's certainly a preponderance of evidence and a reasonable person could easily come to the conclusion that Joe and his superiors knew...and did little or nothing about it.
FTR, I don't hate Penn State. I want to beat the crap out of their football team, but it is a fine academic institution. A certain percentage of their supporters have a misguided worship of a football coach who wasn't as saintly as they'd all like to believe.
Also was FSU's President when their star QB Winston was accused of rape :
>University administrators, in apparent violation of federal law, did not promptly investigate either the rape accusation or the witness’s admission that he had videotaped part of the encounter.<
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ns-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html?hp&hp&_r=0
Were u saying something? Oh of course u were once again bashing penn state. The only thing u talk about
Once again I'm not this reppin jersey. I live outside of Baltimore and have for the last 10 years, not sure how I'd be reppin New Jersey, haha
No as I said before it may seem inconceivable to some of u that more than 1 RU fan on this board doesn't hate penn state or Paterno but what can I say?
That's exactly what Reppin would say.
Note, Reppin contributed to this thread on page 5, after a 2 week absence to say he's not DNA22
Dna, I think this board hates you - and you've only been a member for 6 days, gotta be a record
Your mind is most definitely made up, don't kid yourself. You are seeing only what you wish to see.
Don't bother responding, we'll just agree to disagree.
The CNN report is using Bernie McCue to corroborate his story. The 11 year old claims to have told his 35 year old friend McCue the story a year after it happens. Why didn't McCue report it to the police? He is a grown man. So essentially one of the biggest Paterno protesters actually helped keep Sandusky silent. The story also left out that McCue has a criminal history of harrassing people at the university even prior to the Sandusky scandal. This is the source they are using to confirm this story along with a trooper he told in 2011 after the story went national.
Perhaps more more damning for Barron is he spent the bulk of his adult life living in State College and working for Penn State.
If anybody ever starts connecting the dots between the business dealings the Paterno's had with the Second Mile board members and the wealth they accumulated it is going be bad for Sue, Jay, and the JoeBots.
They'll really hate it if the University ever stops paying the hush money and the plaintiff's attorneys start coming for their money rather than the insurance companies.
I don't know anything about McCue, but if what you say is true then I grant that it may greatly affect the man's credibility.
But the problem is that with every new allegation, one needs to continually give Paterno the benefit of the doubt in order to maintain his innocence in all of this. At this point, the narrative that Joe really didn't know what was going on requires one to:
- Assume that McQuery (sp?) didn't convey clearly enough exactly what Sandusky was doing with the underage boy in the shower.
- Conclude that the Freeh report in general - which concludes that the higher-ups at Penn State, including Paterno, materially knew about Sandusky's behavior - was biased and intended to implicate the administration and Paterno, or in some other way materially flawed.
- More specifically, accept or believe that the "Joe/Coach" in the email cited in the Freeh report was someone other than Joe Paterno.
- Assume that the recent claim coming from the insurance company is fabricated.
- Discount the story from the victim who recently claimed to have spoken with Joe Paterno (as well as the story from the corroborating witness).
This is by no means a complete list..
Now if one believes that Paterno was such a good guy that he could never turn a blind eye to what Sandusky was doing, then that person can explain away all of the above... Like anything else, at the end of the day, people are going to believe what they want to believe. But to a casual, unbiased observer, it's difficult to reconcile all of the claims without coming to some very negative conclusions about Paterno.
"At Penn State, however, the brand is larded with the odor of rotting pigskin."
That's a good line.
not sure if this has been posted yet (I admit I haven't read all 11 pages here)
just in case, this is a GREAT article
#JoeKnew
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/penn-s...lation-212824533.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
just in case, this is a GREAT article
#JoeKnew
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/penn-s...lation-212824533.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
Again, Sandusky wasn't some criminal mastermind. He was sloppy and left plenty of clues.
Now here's where Joe went wrong IMO. While he wasn't legally obligated to do more than what he had done, the moral and honorable thing to do would be to utilize his extensive network and sizable influence to get to the bottom of these very serious accusations. After all, Joe seemed to pride himself on his reputation of success with honor. If he had done that, surely additional harm could have been prevented. The question is: If he considered himself a man of high morals and unquestionable integrity, why didn't he do more to protect the children..? IMO, he wanted to salvage his life's work -- the grand experiment and his ultimate legacy: the PSU football program.
And so he did the bare minimum and adopted an implicit don't-ask-don't-tell policy. PSU began settling claims and gained a reputation of paying out hush money, which left them exposed to blackmail attempts.
The whole thing is sick and disgusting and a complete fail of humanity on multiple levels.
Only one thing is certain: the extent of the rot is unrivaled...
Now here's where Joe went wrong IMO. While he wasn't legally obligated to do more than what he had done, the moral and honorable thing to do would be to utilize his extensive network and sizable influence to get to the bottom of these very serious accusations. After all, Joe seemed to pride himself on his reputation of success with honor. If he had done that, surely additional harm could have been prevented. The question is: If he considered himself a man of high morals and unquestionable integrity, why didn't he do more to protect the children..? IMO, he wanted to salvage his life's work -- the grand experiment and his ultimate legacy: the PSU football program.
And so he did the bare minimum and adopted an implicit don't-ask-don't-tell policy. PSU began settling claims and gained a reputation of paying out hush money, which left them exposed to blackmail attempts.
The whole thing is sick and disgusting and a complete fail of humanity on multiple levels.
Only one thing is certain: the extent of the rot is unrivaled...
What I don't get it why was it ONLY Joe Paterno's responsibility to catch Sandusky? I think where the biggest divide is is that most folks only want to focus on Paterno and not the hundreds of other people Sandusky was around frequently?
One question I have for the board... Why is it that in the entire 11 page thread that this is that the name 'Dottie Sandusky' has NEVER ONCE been mentioned as someone who should have done more?
Or better yet, since McQueary was so distraught by what he saw, why did he call his dad, wait a day and then call Joe instead of the police? Why is it that all of you just want to focus on Joe when the two people I mentioned above are FAR more responsible imo than Joe
Joe testified that it was "of a sexual nature." Are you calling him a liar and purgerer? How dare you?!?!? Did you know he donated to charity?!?!
Then why did the school pay a a settlement on the 1971 incident if it was made up? Considering the statute of limitations long expired...
Seems like you guys need to question the school, not the victim.
Because there is no message board warrior claiming Dottie Sandusky or McQueary are heroes.
They were also never in a position of power.
There is no group attempting to build their statue.
Oh, and no one ever paid a settlement, decades over the statute of limitations, based on them telling a victim of Sandusky they would go to the police because he besmirched Sandusky's good name.
DNA,
While we're at it, let's also include Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Why the heck didn't they speak up and say something? The moral and legal failure of many people doesn't change the fact that the face and "Saint" of Penn State was and continues to be Joe Paterno.
In the end, a lot of people failed those kids. If true about the 1971 allegations, Mike McQueary's name wouldn't have mattered because Joe would've taken action when it first came to him. Instead, he essentially didn't believe the victim. In the end, what is going to happen to all Joe Paterno supporters when more information is released that Saint Joe knew even more than he was telling.
Penn State needs to release all the information. However, I don't think all the JoePa supporters, especially his family, are prepared for the onslaught of information that will be released.
While we're at it, let's also include Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Why the heck didn't they speak up and say something? The moral and legal failure of many people doesn't change the fact that the face and "Saint" of Penn State was and continues to be Joe Paterno.
In the end, a lot of people failed those kids. If true about the 1971 allegations, Mike McQueary's name wouldn't have mattered because Joe would've taken action when it first came to him. Instead, he essentially didn't believe the victim. In the end, what is going to happen to all Joe Paterno supporters when more information is released that Saint Joe knew even more than he was telling.
Penn State needs to release all the information. However, I don't think all the JoePa supporters, especially his family, are prepared for the onslaught of information that will be released.
I found the following Paterno quote very telling of his personal flaws.
"My name," Paterno told his son Jay. "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."
He didn't cry for the countless child victims. He didn't even cry for the shame brought to his school. He cried for the damage to his "name."
If he would have put the welfare of children above any possible damage to his name, dozens of kids would have been spared sexual abuse by Sandusky. But his vanity would not allow that.
"My name," Paterno told his son Jay. "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."
He didn't cry for the countless child victims. He didn't even cry for the shame brought to his school. He cried for the damage to his "name."
If he would have put the welfare of children above any possible damage to his name, dozens of kids would have been spared sexual abuse by Sandusky. But his vanity would not allow that.
Fist of all we don't know if this victim was settled with. According to the admin it was not. Keep in mind there may be multiple claims that date back then. In addition victims have until their 50th birthday to make a claim. It is possible that the SOL had not run out if the victim made the initial claim in 2011.