Paterno thread (merged)

[ru8081]

I just saw this on twitter, I hope it's a joke.

Donald J Trurnp ‏@realDolnadTrump 2h2 hours ago
@espn I believe Sandusky is innocent and should be put on the new $20 bill.

 

[RU#1fan]

Not even a little bit. Obviously Joe had at nothing else heard Mike Mcqueary come to him so there's no denying Joe had been informed of fishy behavior. But what could have very well happened is his superiors could have told him that an investigation had taken place and Jerry was not found to have done anything wrong and Joe just moved on thinking nothing else of it.

where the divide is is some of you are convinced that Joe, Curley, Spanier and Schultz had these secret closed door meetings where they formed a plan to sweep all this under the rug in fear of it hurting the football program.

Thing is is that there is ZERO definitive proof that that happened and people have filled in their own opinions of what actually happened when NONE of us could possibly know for sure and when you're from Jersey you are incapable of hearing anyone else's opinion but your own (btw I'm originally from Tuckerton so that's a dig on me as much anyone else)

DNA22,
"fishy behavior " ?
This how you describe an allegation of child rape in a discussion between coaches ?
Clearly shows the you have no sense of the magnitude of the heinous crime and that your personal connection to this is clouding your judgement.

 

[Doctor Worm]

I just saw this on twitter, I hope it's a joke.
It's a joke. Trump's name is misspelled.

Donald J Trurnp ‏@realDolnadTrump 2h2 hours ago
@espn I believe Sandusky is innocent and should be put on the new $20 bill.

 

[Myrtleknight]

At the time, one of the things that seemed very odd to me was the timing of JS retirement from Penn State.

In 1999 Jerry was just 55 years old and won "Assistant Coach of the Year" awards in 1986 and 1999.

He was at the peak of his career and probably destined to be a head coach (If not at Penn State) then somewhere else. Penn State had just won the Alamo Bowl 24-0 (only shut out by PSU in a bowl game) and Jerry retires with a special retirement package????

I remember talking to a PSU friend about this surprising/schocking development and he said Jerry just wanted to devote more time to the Second Mile????

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

I would like to know what happened at UVA when it was looking like JS was going to get that job and then nothing and Al Groh got hired.

 

[ScarletRunner]

I'm not going to spearhead it.. I'm just saying. If everyone is concerned about the victims find a way to help them AND stick it to PSU.

Seems to me like more people are concerned about just sticking it to a football rival. I hope i'm mistaken.

You seem to be hinting at this idea that being critical of Penn State without also doing something for the sex abuse victims means people don't really care about the victims or have misplaced priorities. I just wanted to call you out on it because it's a silly position.

Let me help you out; I can say drunk driving is bad and if an institution supports it I can be critical of that institution. The fact that I don't also donate or volunteer time to MADD or some similar campaign doesn't weaken or invalidate my position or expose me as a hypocrite.

 

[redking]

I just saw this on twitter, I hope it's a joke.

Donald J Trurnp ‏@realDolnadTrump 2h2 hours ago
@espn I believe Sandusky is innocent and should be put on the new $20 bill.

ru8081, spelling is your friend.

 

[Mikemarc]

I just saw this on twitter, I hope it's a joke.

Donald J Trurnp ‏@realDolnadTrump 2h2 hours ago
@espn I believe Sandusky is innocent and should be put on the new $20 bill.

Parody account.

 

[DNA22]

DNA22,
"fishy behavior " ?
This how you describe an allegation of child rape in a discussion between coaches ?
Clearly shows the you have no sense of the magnitude of the heinous crime and that your personal connection to this is clouding your judgement.

No I worded it correctly because mike Mcqueary has changed his story no short of 5 times on what was said so no body REALLY knows what was discussed

 

[DNA22]

I would like to know what happened at UVA when it was looking like JS was going to get that job and then nothing and Al Groh got hired.

Like I said before, I think Jerry was such a sick f*ck that he knew he already had this charity established in state college and thus a revolving door of potential victims that he wouldn't have at a different school. He's a sick individual

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

No I worded it correctly because mike Mcqueary has changed his story no short of 5 times on what was said so no body REALLY knows what was discussed

Oh hi. You're back in this thread.

Also, you seem to know all the key PSU talking points. But you're a Rutgers fan.

Right.

 

[theRU]

You seem to be hinting at this idea that being critical of Penn State without also doing something for the sex abuse victims means people don't really care about the victims or have misplaced priorities. I just wanted to call you out on it because it's a silly position.

Let me help you out; I can say drunk driving is bad and if an institution supports it I can be critical of that institution. The fact that I don't also donate or volunteer time to MADD or some similar campaign doesn't weaken or invalidate my position or expose me as a hypocrite.

Not really. I'm just saying that if they weren't a direct rival, most of you wouldn't care so much. We have a vested interest in seeing them punished and dragged through the mud. I think Pitt and RU have the most vocal fanbases in regards to the PSU scandal, and its not a coincidence.

Its all good, i'm just glad its in one thread now... i'll let you guys get back to it.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Gee, I wonder who this is?

 

[PhilaPhans]

I just saw this on twitter, I hope it's a joke.
Donald J Trurnp ‏@realDolnadTrump 2h2 hours ago
@espn I believe Sandusky is innocent and should be put on the new $20 bill.

You have to ask whether or not this is real?

 

[ru8081]

You have to ask whether or not this is real?

It is not real.

 

[DNA22]

Oh hi. You're back in this thread.

Also, you seem to know all the key PSU talking points. But you're a Rutgers fan.

Right.

I do know a ton about Joe Paterno yes. As I mentioned before he personally made time to talk to my little cousin with special needs back in 2005 so I became a huge Joe Pa fan and yes, did research a lot about him and the school. This was at a time when RU and PSU weren't playing each other and really had no relation to eachother.

I feel the same way about coach K at Duke as I used to feel about Paterno. Certainly my views are not so golden of Joe anymore but it is very hard to forget when a man personally made my little cousin who has been picked on her whole life because she's autistic, such a happy girl and literally became her hero.

So yes, my view may be 'tainted' by some of your standards, but ai'm ok with that

 

[PhilaPhans]

It is not real.

Of course it wasn't real. I was just surprised you even had to ask, based on the account name.

 

[jmc11201]

Not really. I'm just saying that if they weren't a direct rival, most of you wouldn't care so much. We have a vested interest in seeing them punished and dragged through the mud. I think Pitt and RU have the most vocal fanbases in regards to the PSU scandal, and its not a coincidence.

Its all good, i'm just glad its in one thread now... i'll let you guys get back to it.

I actually agree...if this was Northern Idaho University, people around here would be less invested in the story. The fact that there is geographic proximity and sporting 'rivalry' does put this on people's radar much more.

BUT...that doesn't mean that people are wrong to be disgusted by the excuse making and rationalization of a group of Penn State fans to absolve Paterno of any blame. A lot of children were violated and their lives ruined because adults, who should have known better, decided to try and hide a serial pedophile as opposed to getting the monster off the streets. Had they done the right thing, a lot of pain and suffering would have been avoided. The fact that people want to put a statue up of one of the men who could have stopped this is what gets everyone so riled up.

Do we pay more attention because they are close and a rival...likely yes...but do they (the excuse makers) deserve the abuse that comes their way...absolutely.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

With respect, there's far more things about Jerry Sandusky that seem more odd than retiring at 55. Hell if like to be retired by then, that's one of the only normal things about the guy.

I'm insinuating I believe there were reasons behind his decision to retire.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[ScarletRunner]

Not really. I'm just saying that if they weren't a direct rival, most of you wouldn't care so much. We have a vested interest in seeing them punished and dragged through the mud. I think Pitt and RU have the most vocal fanbases in regards to the PSU scandal, and its not a coincidence.

Its all good, i'm just glad its in one thread now... i'll let you guys get back to it.

Really, so if it were say.. Oregon, you don't think there would be as many posts on the topic? Thanks for that insight and your contributions to the thread. I hope it wasn't too 'fatiguing'... Sure seemed like you had a lot to say about it after all.

 

[Rutgers85_rivals]

I'm insinuating I believe there were reasons behind his decision to retire.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Forgive my ignorance but is Hail To Pitt your thing or a Pitt thing? Hopefully you destroy psu in September.

 

[DNA22]

I'm insinuating I believe there were reasons behind his decision to retire.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Yes there were, as I explained Joe and Jerry had a falling out after Joe told Sandusky he wasn't going to be head coach. Sandusky had been at PSU for decades and was entitled to a nice pension.

He also (unbeknownst to us at the time) had a charity that literally brought potential victims straight to him that he wouldn't have anywhere else and when ur a sick individual like he is, that's something that was most likely a deciding factor for him on why he decided to stay in state college rather than pursue a HC job elsewear.

 

[PhilaPhans]

Really, so if it were say.. Oregon, you don't think there would be as many posts on the topic? Thanks for that insight and your contributions to the thread. I hope it wasn't too 'fatiguing'... Sure seemed like you had a lot to say about it after all.

I think theRU is 100% about this. Would there be uproar about it on the board? Of course. Would it be an everyday discussion like it is now? Absolutely not.

I barely hear the name Bernie Fine since 'Cuse went to the ACC and we stopped playing them so often.

 

[ru8081]

Of course it wasn't real. I was just surprised you even had to ask, based on the account name.

I should have checked more closely but the following tweet is from the real twitter account, I assume.

Donald J. Trump @RealDonaldTrump
Joe Paterno's family should sue the idiots @PennState that made that ridiculous deal--and commissioned the one sided report.

 

[jmc11201]

I think theRU is 100% about this. Would there be uproar about it on the board? Of course. Would it be an everyday discussion like it is now? Absolutely not.

I barely hear the name Bernie Fine since 'Cuse went to the ACC and we stopped playing them so often.

True...but to think that we are getting enjoyment out of this as opposed to genuine disgust and exasperation that some Penn Staters can't see what everyone else sees is why this never dies.

 

[PhilaPhans]

Sigh.

@ru8081 ... that's not the real account either. Real accounts will generally have a blue checkmark next to the handle.

 

[kupuna133]

Yes there were, as I explained Joe and Jerry had a falling out after Joe told Sandusky he wasn't going to be head coach. Sandusky had been at PSU for decades and was entitled to a nice pension.

He also (unbeknownst to us at the time) had a charity that literally brought potential victims straight to him that he wouldn't have anywhere else and when ur a sick individual like he is, that's something that was most likely a deciding factor for him on why he decided to stay in state college rather than pursue a HC job elsewear.

Sandusky did pursue head coaching jobs elsewhere. He was all but going to be the head coach at UVA and that mysteriously went to Groh. He was very interested in the Temple job. Interviewed numerous times. Temple was told to look elsewhere by officials at PSU and others in the coaching community.

 

[Mikemarc]

I think theRU is 100% about this. Would there be uproar about it on the board? Of course. Would it be an everyday discussion like it is now? Absolutely not.

I barely hear the name Bernie Fine since 'Cuse went to the ACC and we stopped playing them so often.

If Bernie Fine was all over the news outlets...we'd hear about it more hear.

It wasn't an everyday discussion months ago...I don't think. We're only talking about it because its a pretty big story...

 

[ru8081]

Sigh.

@ru8081 ... that's not the real account either. Real accounts will generally have a blue checkmark next to the handle.

Here is the copy and paste:

Donald J. TrumpVerified account‏@realDonaldTrump
Joe Paterno's family should sue the idiots @PennState that made that ridiculous deal--and commissioned the one sided report.

 

[PhilaPhans]

True...but to think that we are getting enjoyment out of this as opposed to genuine disgust and exasperation that some Penn Staters can't see what everyone else sees is why this never dies.

Enjoyment? Absolutely not. It's a disgusting act and nobody should ever get enjoyment out of any of this. But you will see a subset of people so outraged about this because it's Penn State. If it was Appalachian State instead, it would be forgotten by the next news cycle or two.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Yes there were, as I explained Joe and Jerry had a falling out after Joe told Sandusky he wasn't going to be head coach. Sandusky had been at PSU for decades and was entitled to a nice pension.

He also (unbeknownst to us at the time) had a charity that literally brought potential victims straight to him that he wouldn't have anywhere else and when ur a sick individual like he is, that's something that was most likely a deciding factor for him on why he decided to stay in state college rather than pursue a HC job elsewear.

Sorry

Not buying that reason.

Did you get a chance to read the article by Dan Bernstein CBSCHICAGO.com Senior Columnist (5/6/16) entitled "Bernstein: Paterno child rape cover up get uglier".

Interesting read if you are interested.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[ScarletRunner]

I think theRU is 100% about this. Would there be uproar about it on the board? Of course. Would it be an everyday discussion like it is now? Absolutely not.

I barely hear the name Bernie Fine since 'Cuse went to the ACC and we stopped playing them so often.

OK, clearly the sarcasm went over your head.

Yes, we care more because it's Penn State than if it were another school. I think that's obvious, understandable and completely predictable. Calling attention to that fact in some attempt to invalidate the criticism (which theRU does) is an irritating tactic.

theRU start by saying he's tired of the subject, yet he posts five more times. Obviously he cares and has some feelings on it, but instead of formulating a coherent position, he throws out the "you don't care about the victims" card. Next time someone says we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, is he going to show up and cry foul if said person isn't contributing to some foreign aid group? I was just pointing out how silly that is, and that he should just stay out of the thread i it doesn't interest him.

 

[DNA22]

Sorry

Not buying that reason.

Did you get a chance to read the article by Dan Bernstein CBSCHICAGO.com Senior Columnist (5/6/16) entitled "Bernstein: Paterno child rape cover up get uglier".

Interesting read if you are interested.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

So ull buy the idea that there were these closed door meetings between high ranking officials at PSU to orchestrate a 'cover up' when there has been zero legal proceedings to either confirm or deny that; but you won't buy the idea of a KNOWN child predator who has been convicted of raping AT LEAST 10 boys that he had harbored through his personal charity that was already established in the area and didn't want to leave that revolving door of prey that he is now KNOWN to have used to fulfill his sick twisted being?

I just think it's best that we agree to disagree here because what I'm taking ur response as is giving Jerry the benefit of the doubt. And no disrespect if you think otherwise but Sandusky doesn't deserve any kind of benefit of the doubt, no matter how much ii may interrupt the argument u are trying to make on a message board

 

[DNA22]

OK, clearly the sarcasm went over your head.

Yes, we care more because it's Penn State than if it were another school. I think that's obvious, understandable and completely predictable. Calling attention to that fact in some attempt to invalidate the criticism (which theRU does) is an irritating tactic.

theRU start by saying he's tired of the subject, yet he posts five more times. Obviously he cares and has some feelings on it, but instead of formulating a coherent position, he throws out the "you don't care about the victims" card. Next time someone says we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, is he going to show up and cry foul if said person isn't contributing to some foreign aid group? I was just pointing out how silly that is, and that he should just stay out of the thread i it doesn't interest him.

If I may, I think what theRU was trying to say to use your words is that invading Iraq is not something that's discussed here, pretty much no law suits are discussed on this board besides the Penn State story and any that are normally disappear after a day or two.

The Penn State discussion on this board has been going on for 5 years with no end in sight. I can understand wanting to come to this board to read about Rutgers 5 years from now and being annoyed that the same posters are still making the same arguments about penn state looking for anyone who will listen

 

[RU4Real]

The Penn State discussion on this board has been going on for 5 years with no end in sight.

How do you know this? Says in your profile that you just joined a week ago.

 

[DNA22]

How do you know this? Says in your profile that you just joined a week ago.

Not like I never read this board before I joined. And no I do not have any other user names if that's what ur alluding to

 

[RU4Real]

Not like I never read this board before I joined. And no I do not have any other user names if that's what ur alluding to

Your explanation for this has joined the ranks of all the other improbably claims that you've made in the last week.

I Find it curious, as well, that after lurking and never signing up to post for (allegedly) the last 5 years, the thing that finally motivated you was defending Joe Paterno.

 

[srru86]

he already had this charity established in state college and thus a revolving door of potential victims

You got to stop pretending Second Mile was something other than an adjunct of the PSU football program.All the board members were friends of Joe including business partners. The key deliverable of the charity was access to PSU football. Nearly all the supporters and volunteers had some level of tie-in to the program including many players.

 

[DNA22]

Your explanation for this has joined the ranks of all the other improbably claims that you've made in the last week.

I Find it curious, as well, that after lurking and never signing up to post for (allegedly) the last 5 years, the thing that finally motivated you was defending Joe Paterno.

Did u also notice how I wrote that anyone who joins this board who has a differing view from the old guard (the same 15 or so posters who are on here every day) normally gets called a troll and doesn't last very long this why u see covert few new active posters?

Most of them just leave when they see the rest of you just want to beat them down with how wrong they are in your opinion. Consider me stubborn that I'm willing to endure all the crap that's been said about me that are BLATENT rule violations on this board and just turn the other cheek. Perhaps I just wish to share a different viewpoint that I believe to be much more mature. I don't know why some of you insist on arguing with everything someone who doesn't agree with u says.

 

[RU4Real]

Did u also notice how I wrote that anyone who joins this board who has a differing view from the old guard (the same 15 or so posters who are on here every day) normally gets called a troll and doesn't last very long this why u see covert few new active posters?

Most of them just leave when they see the rest of you just want to beat them down with how wrong they are in your opinion. Consider me stubborn that I'm willing to endure all the crap that's been said about me that are BLATENT rule violations on this board and just turn the other cheek. Perhaps I just wish to share a different viewpoint that I believe to be much more mature. I don't know why some of you insist on arguing with everything someone who doesn't agree with u says.

I don't feel compelled to argue the substance of your posts in this thread because they're wrong.

What I'm doing is questioning why somebody who allegedly sat in silence on the sidelines for five years suddenly jumps headlong into the debate for the sole purpose of defending Joe Paterno. Badly.

I think perhaps it's not OUR motives you should be questioning.

 

[theRU]

OK, clearly the sarcasm went over your head.

Yes, we care more because it's Penn State than if it were another school. I think that's obvious, understandable and completely predictable. Calling attention to that fact in some attempt to invalidate the criticism (which theRU does) is an irritating tactic.

theRU start by saying he's tired of the subject, yet he posts five more times. Obviously he cares and has some feelings on it, but instead of formulating a coherent position, he throws out the "you don't care about the victims" card. Next time someone says we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, is he going to show up and cry foul if said person isn't contributing to some foreign aid group? I was just pointing out how silly that is, and that he should just stay out of the thread i it doesn't interest him.

I posted to respond...like i'm doing now so please drop this silly notion that i shouldn't post here anymore. I have a very coherent position, which i've explained. Just because you are offended or disagree doesn't change my point. Please continue with your discussions on this subject, I just hope this doesn't turn into a PSU dumpster fire thread, because i've been critical of the Cuse board and I dont want the pot calling the kettle black.

You missed my point of a fundraiser. I suggested it because of its ability to gain notoriety and raise awareness. It would also put PSU in a terrible PR situation. It might be more effective than posting about Paterno 5000 times on a message board only seen by 30K people ( being generous)