P5 coaches

[vkj91]

Pretty much every outlet is stating that the next HC will have HC experience and the powers that be would prefer P5 experience. Personally, I think this is dumb because P5 guys rarely ever move and that leaves Schiano or Jones. That being said, I made a list of P5 guys who if you tried really hard, you could argue would see the Rutgers job as a better opportunity. End of the day, B1G East is top 2 divisions in the country. Some guys want that challenge, some guys might just need a change of scenery, others might want more money and a long guarantee. (I'm not searching for buyouts right now, so a few of these could be dead before we even call)
In no order:
Babers: Cuse is hard to recruit to, it will always be a basketball school, and the weather sucks
Doeren: Will always be little brother to UNC. Already recruits NJ
Narduzzi: has been discussed at length for 3 years
Campbell: B1G ten region guy who can just flat out coach.
Fleck: he doesn't want to be in Minnesota. Enjoyed his time at RU and as much as I don't like him, he wins
Kyle Wittingham: we have zero shot but to me, he's top 5 coaches in the country.
Mel Tucker: not even one year as a HC but he checks a lot of boxes and is a B1G guy
Moorehead: my understanding is he loves it at MSU but he has the Northeast ties.

 

[bitnez]

I think the only realistic candidate on that list is Narduzzi. He’s a good solid coach and he’d probably like the stability of a nice 5 year deal.

We can say what we want but the Boat Rower is getting it done in Minny

 

[vkj91]

I think the only realistic candidate on that list is Narduzzi. He’s a good solid coach and he’d probably like the stability of a nice 5 year deal.

We can say what we want but the Boat Rower is getting it done in Minny

If those names aren't realistic it just proves the idea of going after a P5 coach is fruitless.

another great name is Jeff Tedford

 

[eyebugs]

Pretty much every outlet is stating that the next HC will have HC experience and the powers that be would prefer P5 experience. Personally, I think this is dumb because P5 guys rarely ever move and that leaves Schiano or Jones. That being said, I made a list of P5 guys who if you tried really hard, you could argue would see the Rutgers job as a better opportunity. End of the day, B1G East is top 2 divisions in the country. Some guys want that challenge, some guys might just need a change of scenery, others might want more money and a long guarantee. (I'm not searching for buyouts right now, so a few of these could be dead before we even call)
In no order:
Babers: Cuse is hard to recruit to, it will always be a basketball school, and the weather sucks
Doeren: Will always be little brother to UNC. Already recruits NJ
Narduzzi: has been discussed at length for 3 years
Campbell: B1G ten region guy who can just flat out coach.
Fleck: he doesn't want to be in Minnesota. Enjoyed his time at RU and as much as I don't like him, he wins
Kyle Wittingham: we have zero shot but to me, he's top 5 coaches in the country.
Mel Tucker: not even one year as a HC but he checks a lot of boxes and is a B1G guy
Moorehead: my understanding is he loves it at MSU but he has the Northeast ties.

Zero of those coaches will consider RU... I would really go after Matt Rhule who may have some level of interest.

 

[nctcmike]

Rhule was extended last night. Big buy out even if he had interest. Which is doubtful.

 

[vkj91]

Zero of those coaches will consider RU... I would really go after Matt Rhule who may have some level of interest.

when you wake up from your weekend bender you will learn that he literally just signed an extension.
Love this board, people who don't really follow coaching or coaching changes definitively stating who is and isn't interested.
I need to remind myself before I post that coaching changes bring out all the troll accounts

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

It’ll never happen, but man I’d love to have a coach like Whittingham.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

when you wake up from your weekend bender you will learn that he literally just signed an extension.
Love this board, people who don't really follow coaching or coaching changes definitively stating who is and isn't interested.
I need to remind myself before I post that coaching changes bring out all the troll accounts

HAHA, I know. When you see a screen name that haven't posted here ever before or in years, BEWARE! These people worse nightmare is Rutgers getting good. They should just worry about their own schools and leave us the hell alone.

 

[krup]

Rutgers has to at least check on Moorhead.

His chances of winning the B1G East at Rutgers are next to nothing, but are no worse than his chances of winning the SEC West at Miss St.

He is two years in, so he is probably only 2-3 years away from MSU fans starting to unfairly blame him for their inability to challenge the SEC big boys.

By coming to RU he starts his clock at zero, and knows that just getting RU to the middle of the B1G East gets him a second contract or can be used to get him to one of the big CFB jobs.

 

[huskersalways]

I know this thread is about P5 coaches with experience but if I was RU I would take a look at Troy Walters. He is the OC at NU and will be a HC before long somewhere. He is a tireless recruiter. Played at Stanford and in the NFL and relates to kids very well. He has a great offensive mind would bring exciting fb to RU.

Just a thought and I know I will get the “Ash was a DC for a national championship team and couldn’t get it done here” stuff so I will save you all typing that. Haha

 

[krup]

I know this thread is about P5 coaches with experience but if I was RU I would take a look at Troy Walters. He is the OC at NU and will be a HC before long somewhere. He is a tireless recruiter. Played at Stanford and in the NFL and relates to kids very well. He has a great offensive mind would bring exciting fb to RU.

Just a thought and I know I will get the “Ash was a DC for a national championship team and couldn’t get it done here” stuff so I will save you all typing that. Haha

I think most Rutgers fans believe that promoting a promising assistant is absolutely a good strategy that can be used under normal circumstances.

It’s just that we had two straight failures hiring guys without head coaching experience, and part of their failure was mismanaging a program off of the field, so we just have to get someone with experience for this particular hire.

 

[Leonard23]

Pretty much every outlet is stating that the next HC will have HC experience and the powers that be would prefer P5 experience. Personally, I think this is dumb because P5 guys rarely ever move and that leaves Schiano or Jones. That being said, I made a list of P5 guys who if you tried really hard, you could argue would see the Rutgers job as a better opportunity. End of the day, B1G East is top 2 divisions in the country. Some guys want that challenge, some guys might just need a change of scenery, others might want more money and a long guarantee. (I'm not searching for buyouts right now, so a few of these could be dead before we even call)
In no order:
Babers: Cuse is hard to recruit to, it will always be a basketball school, and the weather sucks
Doeren: Will always be little brother to UNC. Already recruits NJ
Narduzzi: has been discussed at length for 3 years
Campbell: B1G ten region guy who can just flat out coach.
Fleck: he doesn't want to be in Minnesota. Enjoyed his time at RU and as much as I don't like him, he wins
Kyle Wittingham: we have zero shot but to me, he's top 5 coaches in the country.
Mel Tucker: not even one year as a HC but he checks a lot of boxes and is a B1G guy
Moorehead: my understanding is he loves it at MSU but he has the Northeast ties.

We should've already talked to Babers, Campbell and Fleck. I've mentioned the first 2 on here since Oct/Nov 2015, as I wanted offensive guys.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Pretty much every outlet is stating that the next HC will have HC experience and the powers that be would prefer P5 experience. Personally, I think this is dumb because P5 guys rarely ever move and that leaves Schiano or Jones. That being said, I made a list of P5 guys who if you tried really hard, you could argue would see the Rutgers job as a better opportunity. End of the day, B1G East is top 2 divisions in the country. Some guys want that challenge, some guys might just need a change of scenery, others might want more money and a long guarantee. (I'm not searching for buyouts right now, so a few of these could be dead before we even call)
In no order:
Babers: Cuse is hard to recruit to, it will always be a basketball school, and the weather sucks
Doeren: Will always be little brother to UNC. Already recruits NJ
Narduzzi: has been discussed at length for 3 years
Campbell: B1G ten region guy who can just flat out coach.
Fleck: he doesn't want to be in Minnesota. Enjoyed his time at RU and as much as I don't like him, he wins
Kyle Wittingham: we have zero shot but to me, he's top 5 coaches in the country.
Mel Tucker: not even one year as a HC but he checks a lot of boxes and is a B1G guy
Moorehead: my understanding is he loves it at MSU but he has the Northeast ties.

Notwithstanding the trolls, I think this is the definitive list of candidates with P5 coaching experience. Well done.

The issue, of course, is that I really cannot see it being any of those guys...for various reasons. Narduzzi is intriguing, and he very much wanted to be HC at Rutgers, but I don't know how much he still does, or if he is really interested in leaving Pitt to come to RU. Much like with Mullen and Richt, I think there was an opportunity and that ship sailed.

It is painful to me how many better options we had when Julie tried to do this and couldn't get it done. There really are not a lot of great options right now.

 

[rufeelinit]

It really depends on how much we are willing to pay whether guys like Moorhead or Norvell would have any interest. They will feign interest for leverage purposes regardless, but we are probably not able to put together that lucrative a package given the Ash obligation. I am not sure we should anyway since they are far from slam dunks. I wish Clawson had not signed an extension since I think he might be worth emptying the bank. Would have felt the same way about Rhule. I have trouble warming up to Narduzzi. Hadn't thought of Babers. Is he still on his original contract?

 

[vkj91]

I know this thread is about P5 coaches with experience but if I was RU I would take a look at Troy Walters. He is the OC at NU and will be a HC before long somewhere. He is a tireless recruiter. Played at Stanford and in the NFL and relates to kids very well. He has a great offensive mind would bring exciting fb to RU.

Just a thought and I know I will get the “Ash was a DC for a national championship team and couldn’t get it done here” stuff so I will save you all typing that. Haha

We just can't take another guy who needs to learn on the job. We've done that twice and we can't get this wrong. I'm even hesitant with out of work guys. We need a staff ready to go Day 1

 

[huskersalways]

We just can't take another guy who needs to learn on the job. We've done that twice and we can't get this wrong. I'm even hesitant with out of work guys. We need a staff ready to go Day 1

is RU willing to put up the $8mil(approximately) annually to pay a get and go staff?

 

[vkj91]

It really depends on how much we are willing to pay whether guys like Moorhead or Norvell would have any interest. They will feign interest for leverage purposes regardless, but we are probably not able to put together that lucrative a package given the Ash obligation. I am not sure we should anyway since they are far from slam dunks. I wish Clawson had not signed an extension since I think he might be worth emptying the bank. Would have felt the same way about Rhule. I have trouble warming up to Narduzzi. Hadn't thought of Babers. Is he still on his original contract?

No Babers got an extension last year. Private school so little info was released. Actually funny story behind it. They wanted to keep it secret and graphics department leaked it.

https://www.nunesmagician.com/2019/...-may-run-through-2024-graphic-orange-football

 

[bitnez]

If those names aren't realistic it just proves the idea of going after a P5 coach is fruitless.

another great name is Jeff Tedford

The only P5 coaches who would seriously consider this job (as opposed to leveraging it to get a better deal at their current school) is someone who is currently not coaching or who sees the writing on the wall (think Holgsen at WVU last year or Tuberville a few years ago). Narduzzi probably fits that mold as does Jones and Schiano.

 

[vkj91]

is RU willing to put up the $8mil(approximately) annually to pay a get and go staff?

time to sh$t or get off the pot. My understanding is the money is there. Some people who have invested heavily lately in facilities know that this hire is make or break.

 

[vkj91]

Notwithstanding the trolls, I think this is the definitive list of candidates with P5 coaching experience. Well done.

The issue, of course, is that I really cannot see it being any of those guys...for various reasons. Narduzzi is intriguing, and he very much wanted to be HC at Rutgers, but I don't know how much he still does, or if he is really interested in leaving Pitt to come to RU. Much like with Mullen and Richt, I think there was an opportunity and that ship sailed.

It is painful to me how many better options we had when Julie tried to do this and couldn't get it done. There really are not a lot of great options right now.

I don't entirely agree. The options are just as good. We will look back in 4 years and say man we could have had x, y, or z. All about identifying the right guy

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Rutgers needs to name the new HC quickly to secure this years recruiting class.

Most football recruits now sign binding letters during the early signing period in December.

Some schools are probably contacting some of Rutgers top recruits.

Slim pickings during the February signing period.

Keeping a class without a named HC will be tough to keep the class.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[buffalochicken21]

I get your thinking but the problem with that list is none of those guys have arguably done what Schiano did the first go round here.

Other than Whittingham and Campbell (who aren't coming here), which one of those is heads and shoulders above Greg?

I'd argue none.

Narduzzi is 31-26 and 0-3 in bowls in the ACC.
Babers ain't coming here, and has yet to prove his ability beyond his first QB at Cuse.
Doeren, is he even better than Greg's record here?
Mel Tucker is just tasting success at Colorado and likely his next job is a step up the ladder to a bigger school like a USC.
Fleck, maybe. Is he worth $4 million plus?
Definitely give Moorehead a call, but the word is, it ain't happening.

Greg ALREADY KNOWS everything about this job; every nuance of it and the area and how to make it work, and he freaking won here! No other candidate offers this. No one else can offer his unique knowledge of our unique situation.

Honestly man, it seems the names people come up with as alternatives come with tons of question marks. No one who's not unrealistic on your list is in any way a slam dunk. Greg, even with all his flaws, is actually the closest thing to it.

 

[RUSK97]

If those names aren't realistic it just proves the idea of going after a P5 coach is fruitless.

another great name is Jeff Tedford

Great coach, but fish out of water.

 

[e5fdny]

Campbell seems worth more than a look.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Campbell seems worth more than a look.

Campbell's buyout it currently at 6M having dropped from 7M and drops 1M each year.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...-football-7-m-buyout-jamie-pollard/720018002/

 

[RUSK97]

Campbell seems worth more than a look.

Matt Campbell built up ISU to its current state of competitiveness from a struggling program under Ash's old boss. He's having great success and he's likely ready to take a stab at helming a blue blood. He's not coming to Rutgers to build up another program.

 

[vkj91]

Rutgers needs to name the new HC quickly to secure this years recruiting class.

Most football recruits now sign binding letters during the early signing period in December.

Some schools are probably contacting some of Rutgers top recruits.

Slim pickings during the February signing period.

Keeping a class without a named HC will be tough to keep the class.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

Thats what the transfer portal is for.

 

[RUPartisan]

Jim McElwain & Steve Sarkisian would be attainable, had P5 success and offensive backgrounds.

 

[vkj91]

I get your thinking but the problem with that list is none of those guys have arguably done what Schiano did the first go round here.

Other than Whittingham and Campbell (who aren't coming here), which one of those is heads and shoulders above Greg?

I'd argue none.

Narduzzi is 31-26 and 0-3 in bowls in the ACC.
Babers ain't coming here, and has yet to prove his ability beyond his first QB at Cuse.
Doeren, is he even better than Greg's record here?
Mel Tucker is just tasting success at Colorado and likely his next job is a step up the ladder to a bigger school like a USC.
Fleck, maybe. Is he worth $4 million plus?
Definitely give Moorehead a call, but the word is, it ain't happening.

Greg ALREADY KNOWS everything about this job; every nuance of it and the area and how to make it work, and he freaking won here! No other candidate offers this. No one else can offer his unique knowledge of our unique situation.

Honestly man, it seems the names people come up with as alternatives come with tons of question marks. No one who's not unrealistic on your list is in any way a slam dunk. Greg, even with all his flaws, is actually the closest thing to it.

Amazing peoples perceptions of schiano vs the reality of his time here.

 

[RUSK97]

Campbell's buyout it currently at 6M having dropped from 7M and drops 1M each year.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...-football-7-m-buyout-jamie-pollard/720018002/

The money's not there. Not that kind of money. His current contract is worth about 3.5MM a year. In Ames, Iowa. Tack on the 2.5MM to pay Chris Ash. Tack on at least 1.5MM to pay McNulty and the other coaches. Tack on the 6MM buyout spread over 5 years. So that's at least 9MM a year. RU will not pony up that kind of cash.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

The money's not there. Not that kind of money. His current contract is worth about 3.5MM a year. In Ames, Iowa. Tack on the 2.5MM to pay Chris Ash. Tack on at least 1.5MM to pay McNulty and the other coaches. Tack on the 6MM buyout spread over 5 years. So that's at least 9MM a year. RU will not pony up that kind of cash.

I didn't post that to say he was a realistic option. I posted it to be be informative. I've posted this info on Campbell, Heupel and others who have big buyouts and ones who don't frankly like Norvell 500K...but no matter how many times it gets repeated things will still be missed so I post it again lol.

 

[RUPartisan]

Amazing peoples perceptions of schiano vs the reality of his time here.

Most people don't deal in reality. The same people that are obsessed with all the "success" Schiano had here will poo poo a coach like Charlie Strong who they will say only had success because he landed Teddy Bridgewater. The same can be said that the legend of Greg Schiano would never come to be without one single recruit, Ray Rice.

Outside of the the Ray Rice years nobody would have given a **** about Schiano as a coach.

 

[tuffer76]

Ex-P5 guys that are no longer in P5 jobs are available as well - Butch Davis, Lane Kiffin, Luke Fickell (interim at OSU).

 

[vkj91]

Most people don't deal in reality. The same people that are obsessed with all the "success" Schiano had here will poo poo a coach like Charlie Strong who they will say only had success because he landed Teddy Bridgewater. The same can be said that the legend of Greg Schiano would never come to be without one single recruit, Ray Rice.

Outside of the the Ray Rice years nobody would have given a **** about Schiano as a coach.

I’m good with legitimate discussions about his pros and cons but too many just make believe none of the putrid play late in his tenure here ever happened

 

[RUChoppin]

Ex-P5 guys that are no longer in P5 jobs are available as well - Butch Davis, Lane Kiffin, Luke Fickell (interim at OSU).

Yeah - looking just at guys who *currently have P5 jobs* isn't the full list of candidates with P5 HC experience. P5 coaches are let go all the time as schools feel they can do better, or that the needle hasn't been moved enough in short enough of a time frame.

 

[vkj91]

Yeah - looking just at guys who *currently have P5 jobs* isn't the full list of candidates with P5 HC experience. P5 coaches are let go all the time as schools feel they can do better, or that the needle hasn't been moved enough in short enough of a time frame.

Most of those guys were included in my thread last week if I felt they were legitimate options.

 

[RUPartisan]

Another name worth mentioning is Mark Helfrich.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

I get your thinking but the problem with that list is none of those guys have arguably done what Schiano did the first go round here.

Other than Whittingham and Campbell (who aren't coming here), which one of those is heads and shoulders above Greg?

I'd argue none.

Narduzzi is 31-26 and 0-3 in bowls in the ACC.
Babers ain't coming here, and has yet to prove his ability beyond his first QB at Cuse.
Doeren, is he even better than Greg's record here?
Mel Tucker is just tasting success at Colorado and likely his next job is a step up the ladder to a bigger school like a USC.
Fleck, maybe. Is he worth $4 million plus?
Definitely give Moorehead a call, but the word is, it ain't happening.

Greg ALREADY KNOWS everything about this job; every nuance of it and the area and how to make it work, and he freaking won here! No other candidate offers this. No one else can offer his unique knowledge of our unique situation.

Honestly man, it seems the names people come up with as alternatives come with tons of question marks. No one who's not unrealistic on your list is in any way a slam dunk. Greg, even with all his flaws, is actually the closest thing to it.

Greg's 11 year regular season stint at Rutgers was 68-67.

Not saying he is a bad coach.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[RUSK97]

Another name worth mentioning is Mark Helfrich.

I love him, but he's another Chris Ash. Great coordinator, terrible HC.

 

[RUChoppin]

I get your thinking but the problem with that list is none of those guys have arguably done what Schiano did the first go round here.

Other than Whittingham and Campbell (who aren't coming here), which one of those is heads and shoulders above Greg?

I'd argue none.

Narduzzi is 31-26 and 0-3 in bowls in the ACC.
Babers ain't coming here, and has yet to prove his ability beyond his first QB at Cuse.
Doeren, is he even better than Greg's record here?
Mel Tucker is just tasting success at Colorado and likely his next job is a step up the ladder to a bigger school like a USC.
Fleck, maybe. Is he worth $4 million plus?
Definitely give Moorehead a call, but the word is, it ain't happening.

Greg ALREADY KNOWS everything about this job; every nuance of it and the area and how to make it work, and he freaking won here! No other candidate offers this. No one else can offer his unique knowledge of our unique situation.

Honestly man, it seems the names people come up with as alternatives come with tons of question marks. No one who's not unrealistic on your list is in any way a slam dunk. Greg, even with all his flaws, is actually the closest thing to it.

Schiano's not a slam dunk either, but he's got enough going for him in the "pro" column right now to make him a safe/conservative hire.