Overhauling the front 7

[uberism1111]

Expect to see a push to try and overhaul the front 7 as much as possible that fits into the numbers the NCAA allows. They want length, strength and toughness. Expect JUCO takes at DE, OLB and possibly ILB to go along with the high school kids. A lot size coming.

I don't know what the numbers will end up being for new bodies, but the evaluation of doing this has been going on for a good 3 weeks already.

And no it isn't a desperation move, it's a move to try and change what the front 7 is right now to what is needed for the schemes and also what is needed to compete against this division.

Should be an interesting 6 or 7 weeks for who visits and who they take.

 

[WuTang_Husker]

And no it isn't a desperation move, it's a move to try and change what the front 7 is right now to what is needed for the schemes and also what is needed to compete against this division.

Isn't that what recruiting is about? trying to get players who fit the scheme?
I think the coaches have been trying to do that since they got here. It's not something that they magically figured out in the last few weeks, I hope not anyway but with this staff who knows.

 

[uberism1111]

Isn't that what recruiting is about? trying to get players who fit the scheme?
I think the coaches have been trying to do that since they got here. It's not something that they magically figured out in the last few weeks, I hope not anyway but with this staff who knows.

Yes, but right now how many in the front 7 fit the schemes? Not many. I have no clue what the numbers will end up being, but it's pretty dang obvious what is taking place based on the offers and what their films show.

I don't expect us to be finished with building skill depth on O in this class either at the RB and Duck R spots.

 

[Cidsports]

The 3-4 or is the future something else for the Huskers?

It will be a huge key. 3-4 or not. The Blackshirts have been absent for a long, long time.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

it's pretty dang obvious what is taking place.

Agree

 

[uberism1111]

The 3-4 or is the future something else for the Huskers?

It will be a huge key. 3-4 or not. The Blackshirts have been absent for a long, long time.

I was wondering if there could be a move to a 4-3, but no way is that in the thought process. These guys are physical and have good height and length. It's a clear theme from the Florida State commit visiting at the end of the month and all of these JUCO offers, and guys like Ivey that they are recruiting out of Georgia.

I don't know who they will get and all of that stuff, just looking at what is taking place and what that tells us for the future vision and immediate goals.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Sounds like a panic move. They should've hit JUCOs harder last year.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Sounds like a panic move. They should've hit JUCOs harder last year.

it is all part of the master plan ... we had the most offers out of any school this summer .. now a bunch more offers are going out late

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Expect to see a push to try and overhaul the front 7 as much as possible that fits into the numbers the NCAA allows. They want length, strength and toughness. Expect JUCO takes at DE, OLB and possibly ILB to go along with the high school kids. A lot size coming.

I don't know what the numbers will end up being for new bodies, but the evaluation of doing this has been going on for a good 3 weeks already.

And no it isn't a desperation move, it's a move to try and change what the front 7 is right now to what is needed for the schemes and also what is needed to compete against this division.

Should be an interesting 6 or 7 weeks for who visits and who they take.

They'd be wise to get a grad transfer or JUCO NT as well. Lil Daniels won't be able to play every snap and Hutmacher might need some work (redshirt). Green is better suited at DE.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Expect to see a push to try and overhaul the front 7 as much as possible that fits into the numbers the NCAA allows. They want length, strength and toughness. Expect JUCO takes at DE, OLB and possibly ILB to go along with the high school kids. A lot size coming.

I don't know what the numbers will end up being for new bodies, but the evaluation of doing this has been going on for a good 3 weeks already.

And no it isn't a desperation move, it's a move to try and change what the front 7 is right now to what is needed for the schemes and also what is needed to compete against this division.

Should be an interesting 6 or 7 weeks for who visits and who they take.

First we need to overhaul the DC position.

 

[BeautifulDayintheNeighborhood]

I think we need a complete over haul of the front 11 on bolth sides of the ball

 

[oldjar07]

The problem I see is I don't think a lot of the linebackers and defensive linemen are physically incapable of being decent players. Collin Miller has decent size and speed. Mo Barry had good enough size and speed. The Davis twins are two sport athletes. The Daniels brothers have plenty of size. The problem is they're not as mentally prepared as they should be and not as physical as they should be. I think that falls squarely on coaching. If there's one job a coach should have, it's to have your players mentally prepared and ready to play physical. Unfortunately we haven't done that.

 

[Dicky Broseph]

Ty Robinson has been primarily playing the nose

They'd be wise to get a grad transfer or JUCO NT as well. Lil Daniels won't be able to play every snap and Hutmacher might need some work (redshirt). Green is better suited at DE.[/QUOTE

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

The problem I see is I don't think a lot of the linebackers and defensive linemen are physically incapable of being decent players. Collin Miller has decent size and speed. Mo Barry had good enough size and speed. The Davis twins are two sport athletes. The Daniels brothers have plenty of size. The problem is they're not as mentally prepared as they should be and not as physical as they should be. I think that falls squarely on coaching. If there's one job a coach should have, it's to have your players mentally prepared and ready to play physical. Unfortunately we haven't done that.

Coaching is terrible, we always take bad angles and overrun to miss tackles. We are undisciplined and the coaching always leaves skill players wide open.

 

[Dicky Broseph]

The problem I see is I don't think a lot of the linebackers and defensive linemen are physically incapable of being decent players. Collin Miller has decent size and speed. Mo Barry had good enough size and speed. The Davis twins are two sport athletes. The Daniels brothers have plenty of size. The problem is they're not as mentally prepared as they should be and not as physical as they should be. I think that falls squarely on coaching. If there's one job a coach should have, it's to have your players mentally prepared and ready to play physical. Unfortunately we haven't done that.

Thats not a fair assesment..being big and fast doesnt make you a good football player. Mo Barry is both but he lacks instincts and and lateral agility. Coaching can help but some stuff guys have IT and some dont. Miller is a D end switched to the middle..so im not suprised that he lacks instincts. Honas has better instincts than both but lacks in speed for coverage and outside runs.

 

[Dicky Broseph]

Coaching is terrible, we always take bad angles and overrun to miss tackles. We are undisciplined and the coaching always leaves skill players wide open.

Bad players make coaches look bad. You dont think they practice angles..drill tackling..drill alignments and assignments? Players have to execute.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Bad players make coaches look bad. You dont think they practice angles..drill tackling..drill alignments and assignments? Players have to execute.

I think it's both. The players aren't good and the coaches don't put them in a lot of spots to succeed, especially in underneath coverage, knowing their limitations.

Any semblance of a pass rush would also cover up a lot. Not really fair to ask LBs to cover anyone for 5+ seconds, and having to constantly bring pressure puts guys out of position when they don't get home.

 

[Dicky Broseph]

I think it's both. The players aren't good and the coaches don't put them in a lot of spots to succeed, especially in underneath coverage, knowing their limitations.

Any semblance of a pass rush would also cover up a lot. Not really fair to ask LBs to cover anyone for 5+ seconds, and having to constantly bring pressure puts guys out of position when they don't get home.

Its both but with average/below avg players ..coaches are in alot of damned if I do damned if I dont siuation. Sometimes I think we are too vanilla but then we try and be aggresive and we get bombed. As players improve, coaching will magically improve

 

[SoFL Husker]

Lift weights, lift weights, lift weights!

 

[TheBeav815]

They need to throw a lot of spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks in terms of getting new guys on campus. Got a lot of guys trying to start who can't play.

Scott needs to hammer the "we're a young team" narrative next year to earn himself continued patience from the fanbase.

I hope they take every kid north of 3* who looks worth a crap, they are in dire need of guys with working brains and able bodies.

 

[dinglefritz]

They'd be wise to get a grad transfer or JUCO NT as well. Lil Daniels won't be able to play every snap and Hutmacher might need some work (redshirt). Green is better suited at DE.

I'll be shocked if Hutmacher redshirts.

 

[TheBeav815]

I'll be shocked if Hutmacher redshirts.

I won't. I think they want him at NT. Gonna need a lot of time on the weights for that.

He is more developed than most kids coming out of HS but would still benefit. They're sort of collecting DEs but true 3-4 NTs are rare and have to be dummy strong.

 

[oldjar07]

Thats not a fair assesment..being big and fast doesnt make you a good football player. Mo Barry is both but he lacks instincts and and lateral agility. Coaching can help but some stuff guys have IT and some dont. Miller is a D end switched to the middle..so im not suprised that he lacks instincts. Honas has better instincts than both but lacks in speed for coverage and outside runs.

Why did Barry get worse this year then? Sure ILB is a tough position to learn. But if it's taught well, it's really not that hard to play at a higher level. With the physical tools a player like Collin Miller has, I think with proper coaching he would be a damn good player. Luke Gifford last year had all the physical tools and good instincts, but what we were asking him to do didn't match up with the rest of the defense. If he was properly coached, Gifford's an all conference player.

 

[oldjar07]

I guess the overall theme on this thread is to get new players. New players aren't going to help anything if they're not taught properly. All our LB's have no idea what to do in coverage. Are the current players too stupid to learn it or is it because they're not being coached like they should? It seems like they don't even know what gap to fill half the time. I don't think it's that hard or our players are that dumb. Nick Saban can take a kid who barely passed high school and get him to play the right gap and know his coverage assignment. Why is it that hard for us to do the same?

 

[Hastings4Huskers]

I guess the overall theme on this thread is to get new players. New players aren't going to help anything if they're not taught properly. All our LB's have no idea what to do in coverage. Are the current players too stupid to learn it or is it because they're not being coached like they should? It seems like they don't even know what gap to fill half the time. I don't think it's that hard or our players are that dumb. Nick Saban can take a kid who barely passed high school and get him to play the right gap and know his coverage assignment. Why is it that hard for us to do the same?

Do you think Nick Saban can take our current linebackers and just be as effective as his 5 star linebackers since it is all coaching. Just because a high 4 or 5 star player barely passes high school doesn't mean he isn't football smart. I am not saying there isn't a developmental problem going on. But to compare what they get for linebackers and what we have now is not apples to apples. And my opinion its a problem from the players to the coaches. but I do believe more of the coaching problem is they have to recruit better players.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Do you think Nick Saban can take our current linebackers and just be as effective as his 5 star linebackers since it is all coaching. Just because a high 4 or 5 star player barely passes high school doesn't mean he isn't football smart. I am not saying there isn't a developmental problem going on. But to compare what they get for linebackers and what we have now is not apples to apples. And my opinion its a problem from the players to the coaches. but I do believe more of the coaching problem is they have to recruit better players.

"playing ILB at a higher level is really not that hard."

 

[BCSstone]

The problem I see is I don't think a lot of the linebackers and defensive linemen are physically incapable of being decent players. Collin Miller has decent size and speed. Mo Barry had good enough size and speed. The Davis twins are two sport athletes. The Daniels brothers have plenty of size. The problem is they're not as mentally prepared as they should be and not as physical as they should be. I think that falls squarely on coaching. If there's one job a coach should have, it's to have your players mentally prepared and ready to play physical. Unfortunately we haven't done that.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Ty Robinson has been primarily playing the nose

Yikes...

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Its both but with average/below avg players ..coaches are in alot of damned if I do damned if I dont siuation. Sometimes I think we are too vanilla but then we try and be aggresive and we get bombed. As players improve, coaching will magically improve

As players improve, coaching will magically improve, eh? I think it's more like, as coaching improves, players will magically improve.

I don't think that we have a single player that got better after a year under these coaches. In fact, most regressed. That's scary.

 

[oldjar07]

Do you think Nick Saban can take our current linebackers and just be as effective as his 5 star linebackers since it is all coaching. Just because a high 4 or 5 star player barely passes high school doesn't mean he isn't football smart. I am not saying there isn't a developmental problem going on. But to compare what they get for linebackers and what we have now is not apples to apples. And my opinion its a problem from the players to the coaches. but I do believe more of the coaching problem is they have to recruit better players.

Our current linebackers would probably play a lot better under Saban, yes. Look at Wisconsin's linebackers. I don't think they have any better physical ability and yet they're a lot better than us. Heck they even recruited Honas hard and he's one of our smaller lb's. I was really high on Barrett Ruud coming in but he's been a huge disappointment.

 

[oldjar07]

"playing ILB at a higher level is really not that hard."

You missed the part where I said if it's taught properly. You don't have to be a physical specimen to be a good linebacker. If you know what you're doing and where you're supposed to be, you're 80 or 90% of the way there. Our current linebackers have more than enough physical ability to be good players. The mental side of it isn't there though and I think coaching is a big reason why.

 

[SoFL Husker]

We'll be lucky to stop a parked car next year.

 

[SoFL Husker]

Lift weights, lift weights, lift weights!

 

[Hastings4Huskers]

You missed the part where I said if it's taught properly. You don't have to be a physical specimen to be a good linebacker. If you know what you're doing and where you're supposed to be, you're 80 or 90% of the way there. Our current linebackers have more than enough physical ability to be good players. The mental side of it isn't there though and I think coaching is a big reason why.

As i do agree i think coaching can be better. I disagree i just don't think our linebackers are not near enough physical or talented enough to fit this team.

 

[oldjar07]

As i do agree i think coaching can be better. I disagree i just don't think our linebackers are not near enough physical or talented enough to fit this team.

Physicality is something that can be taught. Naturally some players have more of that mentality than others. Some players have that physical mentality no matter how bad the coaching is. Some players will never play physical no matter how good the coaching is. I think most players though are somewhere in between and with good coaching they can turn into very physical and hard nosed players. I don't think it's likely all the players we recruited are mentally weak. I think most of them belong in that middle group and haven't had the proper coaching to get them to play more physical.

 

[nu2u]

I'll be shocked if Hutmacher redshirts.

Its possible, he needs development. The coaches will have to decide if he can progress enough to help. My guess is they will play him in spots early under the 4 game rule and then decide whether he is ready for possible back-up duty. I've watched him play. Very impressive physical talent but he is pretty raw, needs more coaching in college. This is a guy you want to bring along steadily, commensurate with progress, otherwise he is gonna get schooled pretty badly.