Out of state students...

[Maroon Eagle]

Ran across this recently in The Chronicle of Higher Education. I'd link the article but it's subscription based...

Top 20 4-Year Public Institutions drawing the most out-of-state first-time US students...

Rank - Public Institution - Region - # US Students - From Other States - From Other Regions - Top Sending State - Number from Top State

3.

U. of Alabama at Tuscaloosa

Southeast

7,462

67.8%

38.4%

Georgia

559

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12.

U. of Mississippi

Southeast

3,718

56.4%

27.2%

Texas

386

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17.

Jackson State U. (Miss.)

Southeast

1,174

54.3%

30.7%

Illinois

185

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(numbers from Fall 2016)

Over two-thirds of enrollees at Alabama in Fall 2016 weren't from Alabama and a plurality of Ole Miss's out of state enrollees are from Texas. I'm a little surprised Jackson State attracts so many students from Illinois.

By comparison, MSU had 40 percent out-of-state enrollees (from IPEDS) to Ole Miss's 56 percent (also taken from IPEDS). This is old news to a lot of people I know-- I'm just surprised that Ole Miss has so large a percentage of out of state students that they're in the top 20 of public institutions in that matter.

 

[57stratdawg]

Jackson State = The Great Migration

 

[patdog]

There was a lot of black migration from MS to Chicago back before segregation ended. I suspect a lot of the JSU student population from IL is kid going back to their parent's alma mater.

I wonder how much of UM's out of state enrollment is students from Memphis. I guess not as much as I would expect since Texas is their top sending state. That seems odd.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

All those kids from upper middle class families in metro Dallas that cannot get accepted to Texas still heading to Oxford?

 

[5049]

This is not necessarily always a good thing. Officials at Alabama are very concerned over this.

The intent is to keep in state students home, and give the out of state students a reason to stay. Right now, they are going to school, then heading back to their home state. Arkansas has a huge number of Texas students do.

Speaking of Texas, I do wish we would recruit more from the Houston area.

 

[missouridawg]

All those kids from upper middle class families in metro Dallas that cannot get accepted to Texas still heading to Oxford?

The state of Texas has some weird rules around applying to schools. I believe you can only apply to Texas and aTm (and other tier 1 Texas colleges) if you finish in the top 10% of your high school graduating class. It doesn’t matter if you graduate with 10 people or 1000 people, only those in the top 10% can apply. Therefore, a ton of these kids look at out of state opportunities rather than go to UTSA or Texas State. Ole Miss does well in recruiting these types.

 

[wrapit]

The Top 10% is for AUTOMATIC admission. You can still apply if outside your high

school top 10%. In this case, schools look at your academic and extracurricular work to decide on admissions. My daughter, a HS senior in the dallas area, has been admitted to TA&M, Baylor, OU and of course Miss State, and she is only top 23% of her HS class.

The state of Texas has some weird rules around applying to schools. I believe you can only apply to Texas and aTm (and other tier 1 Texas colleges) if you finish in the top 10% of your high school graduating class. It doesn’t matter if you graduate with 10 people or 1000 people, only those in the top 10% can apply. Therefore, a ton of these kids look at out of state opportunities rather than go to UTSA or Texas State. Ole Miss does well in recruiting these types.

 

[missouridawg]

school top 10%. In this case, schools look at your academic and extracurricular work to decide on admissions. My daughter, a HS senior in the dallas area, has been admitted to TA&M, Baylor, OU and of course Miss State, and she is only top 23% of her HS class.

Thanks for the clarification. I’ve got another 15 years before I get to run through this with my kids.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I would bet Georgia is second behind Texas for OM out of state students

 

[KingCharlesSpaniel]

Pretty sure you misread something there. First, none of those institutions are among the top 20 publics. That is a list of schools ranked for drawing the most out-of-state students, not for any academic considerations. I also note that it says US students so foreign are not included. It also says 1st time, so no transfers but what about grad students? It is not just frosh at Oxford cause the 2016 class there enrolled 1,984 students, so Med school? Other campuses? I also wonder if you saw any schools in that list that were not in the SE or was that just the top 20 in the SE?

Pretty sure the top academic publics in the SE are UVa, UNC, Florida, UGa, and Ga Tech.

 

[TNT.sixpack]

It's my understanding that in Texas, a kid has to have a minimum 26 on the ACT to even qualify for instate acceptance. And that rules out a BUNCH of kids., which blows my mind. If I lived in Texas, neither of my kids would have qualified. Neither of them is skilled at standardized tests - one made a 25 after mult attempts and one made a 24 after about 5 tries. Which begs to reason why they take them. My youngest is at MSU - Pre-med Organic Chemistry and Molecular biology and is on the President's list. Never made anything below an A in his life. My eldest is graduating nursing school from Belhaven w/ honors. Yet neither one would have qualified academically to go to school at a Texas University. Doesn't make much sense. But that's one reason why UM has so many Texas kids.

 

[johnson86-1]

It's my understanding that in Texas, a kid has to have a minimum 26 on the ACT to even qualify for instate acceptance. And that rules out a BUNCH of kids., which blows my mind. If I lived in Texas, neither of my kids would have qualified. Neither of them is skilled at standardized tests - one made a 25 after mult attempts and one made a 24 after about 5 tries. Which begs to reason why they take them. My youngest is at MSU - Pre-med Organic Chemistry and Molecular biology and is on the President's list. Never made anything below an A in his life. My eldest is graduating nursing school from Belhaven w/ honors. Yet neither one would have qualified academically to go to school at a Texas University. Doesn't make much sense. But that's one reason why UM has so many Texas kids.

Pretty sure this is wrong. My understanding is that roughly since George W was governor, the texas schools have given more or less automatic admission to anybody from the top 10% of their public high school in the State of Texas. This was basically an alternative to affirmative action, the theory being that taking the top 10% of each class would mean that they would be equalizing the benefits of having strong family support. If you are from a poor area and go to a ****** school, finishing in the top 10% of your class means you are performing well given your environment and deserve a chance at the top public schools in the state.

So what has happened is that so many of the spots at UT austin and Texas A&M adn to a lesser extent Texas Tech are taken up by students qualifying because they are in the top 10% of their HS class, it is extremely competitive for students not in the top 10%. So there are a lot of pretty good students at very good schools that fall outside of the top 10% of their HS class and can't get into their preferred state schools in Texas, even though their ACT and/or SAT scores are significantly better than some of teh students automatically qualifying based on being in the top 10% of their class. So those students end up at SEC schools frequently, because even out of state tuition is significantly cheaper than say an SMU or TCU, and many of them may have good enough test scores to get out of state tuition waived also.

I'm sure some of the details on that are wrong, but that's the way it has been explained to me.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Do most of the OM Texas students graduate from OM or keep applications in at the Texas schools eventually making it back there.

 

[fedxdog]

the data doesn't surprise me at all...the state of georgia has the lottery hope scholarship and if you can't get into Ga or GT, and you can afford it, then Alabama is the 'cool' school to attend...same in Tx...if not smart enough to get to UT or aTm, then leaving town for Mississippi is the socially acceptable move.
when my daughter was a freshman at UGA (from TN) 94% of freshman were in state...all on hope lottery scholarship) and only 6% out of state.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

I believe what the OP was saying is this is the top 20 schools ranked by the number of out of state students they had, not "here are the Top 20 public institutions, now let's see how many out of staters each one has." So the 7,462 is the third most amongst public four-years in the country, not that Bama is the #3 public in the country.

 

[HumpDawgy]

There was a lot of black migration from MS to Chicago back before segregation ended. I suspect a lot of the JSU student population from IL is kid going back to their parent's alma mater.

I wonder how much of UM's out of state enrollment is students from Memphis. I guess not as much as I would expect since Texas is their top sending state. That seems odd.

I believe it was Walter Payton getting it done up in Chi-Town and his many offspring are now old enough to enroll and are going back to Dad's alma mater. Timing works out.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

That is correct.

They're rated by percentage though so Alabama is third with 67.8 percent.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

The Tuohys can only adopt so many Memphians. **

 

[WilCoDawg]

There’s some strange pipeline from Franklin, TN, to down there. There’s a ton of non-Southerners here so I’m not sure if that explains it since they usually have no idea about the school. Fortunately there’s a growing trend of kids going to State now. You’d be amazed and amused at the things people say about that school.

 

[RocketDawg]

There was a lot of black migration from MS to Chicago back before segregation ended. I suspect a lot of the JSU student population from IL is kid going back to their parent's alma mater.

I wonder how much of UM's out of state enrollment is students from Memphis. I guess not as much as I would expect since Texas is their top sending state. That seems odd.

A lot of "Memphis" is the Mississippi suburbs, which technically count as in-state.

 

[The Usual Suspect]

school top 10%. In this case, schools look at your academic and extracurricular work to decide on admissions. My daughter, a HS senior in the dallas area, has been admitted to TA&M, Baylor, OU and of course Miss State, and she is only top 23% of her HS class.

I heard a few weeks ago that Texas will only ensure admission to the top 6%. My wife went to A&M but that was before the difficulty to get in. I have a freshman son at MSU.

 

[RocketDawg]

Thanks for the clarification. I’ve got another 15 years before I get to run through this with my kids.

Your statement still stands though. A lot of those outside the top 10% probably don't bother to apply because they know the chances aren't that great, and it's pretty expensive to just apply nowadays. They might not be able to afford to broadcast applications.

 

[RocketDawg]

Pretty sure you misread something there. First, none of those institutions are among the top 20 publics. That is a list of schools ranked for drawing the most out-of-state students, not for any academic considerations. I also note that it says US students so foreign are not included. It also says 1st time, so no transfers but what about grad students? It is not just frosh at Oxford cause the 2016 class there enrolled 1,984 students, so Med school? Other campuses? I also wonder if you saw any schools in that list that were not in the SE or was that just the top 20 in the SE?

Pretty sure the top academic publics in the SE are UVa, UNC, Florida, UGa, and Ga Tech.

That's a good list but somewhere near the top are places like Texas, UCLA, Berkeley, etc. There are some pretty good public schools available, but out of state tuitions may make them almost as expensive as the top privates.

 

[RocketDawg]

Overall, I think having a large number of out of state students is a good thing since it means you are a "national brand", and monetarily, you get a lot more money from out of staters, given the tuition increase, than with in-state kids. Of course, at some point, it gets out of hand and that point may have been reached at Alabama. After all, the school is state supported and you want to take care of the qualified (college isn't for everybody) in state kids to a large extent.

 

[RocketDawg]

Having a party reputation and taking longer than 4 years to finish are drawing cards for many students. They're not necessarily the type student you want to have though ....

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

The biggest reason I see Texas kids going to OM is that it's SMU light... Much easier to get in to and a fraction of the cost. SMU costs more than a few of the IVY league schools and has pretty high entrance standards. Hell, look at the SMU logo... Look familiar? (I went to b-school there and the undergrads are richer and smarter, but just as pussified as I remember OM.)
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As for the number, you have to imagine the sheer volume of people here. I just did a quick search and there are more than 70 high schools in DFW with 2000 or more students. Same site has Tupelo as the largest in MS at 1974.

If those 70 were the only High Schools in DFW and average 500 graduates a year, it would take about 1% to make up the number going to OM. I know a lot go to the OK schools and Arky with no outta state tuition. But these Dallas types would fit in well at OM.
I would imagine Dallas as the conduit for OM and Houston for State.

 

[RocketDawg]

The biggest reason I see Texas kids going to OM is that it's SMU light... Much easier to get in to and a fraction of the cost. SMU costs more than a few of the IVY league schools and has pretty high entrance standards. Hell, look at the SMU logo... Look familiar? (I went to b-school there and the undergrads are richer and smarter, but just as pussified as I remember OM.)
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As for the number, you have to imagine the sheer volume of people here. I just did a quick search and there are more than 70 high schools in DFW with 2000 or more students. Same site has Tupelo as the largest in MS at 1974.

If those 70 were the only High Schools in DFW and average 500 graduates a year, it would take about 1% to make up the number going to OM. I know a lot go to the OK schools and Arky with no outta state tuition. But these Dallas types would fit in well at OM.
I would imagine Dallas as the conduit for OM and Houston for State.

I must be slipping. I'd much rather live in Dallas than in Houston. It's a really nice city and area.

 

[nsvltndog]

MSU is making strides. We now have a full time recruiter living in the Washington DC Metro region. Several SEC schools have the same. Much like the stories in Texas and Georgia, not many locals get into UVA and a lot of them want the big school environment so head to SEC country. Bama, South Carolina, and UGA are leading the pack up here. We have catching up to do in this area, but placing full time recruiters in region is a great way to start.