Our WR corp is no good? How would we know?

[horshack.sixpack]

It seems to me that they don't get enough catchable balls thrown to them to know. I've seen a few drops, that could be out of sheer disbelief that the ball came to them in a catchable way. I've mostly seen us throwing into double coverage with receviers open or hitting receivers in stride with so much mustard that a catch is less likely than a drop, or the ball going through their hands, or the ball going through their uniforms, pads and body.***

My point is, we've had open receviers, which is their job, but we rarely have had open receviers that the QB saw and delivered a well timed pass, on target, with any kind of appropriate velocity. WR must catch, but QBs must throw catchable balls.

Yet I keep hearing this refrain that our WR corp is trash. I don't get it...

 

[paindonthurt_]

Plenty of well timed balls have been dropped.
Some have been over and under thrown.

Real simple.
Receivers aren’t great and QB isn’t a great passer.

Doesn’t mean both can’t be decent to good though with right scheme.

 

[civildawg88]

I refuse to believe we have fans this dumb. Do you not remember the Florida game? When is the last time you’ve seen a receiver actually go make a play on a ball? I have yet to see one in the past two years fight for a ball and come down with it

 

[patdog]

Osiris Mitchell in the Florida game and Stephen Guidry in the Auburn game are exhibits 1 and 2. And they're our best 2 receivers.

 

[57stratdawg]

We have the one of the worse passing QBs and WR groups in the conference. Thanks Dan.

 

[8dog]

They are rarely open. Very rarely

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

It seems to me that they don't get enough catchable balls thrown to them to know. I've seen a few drops, that could be out of sheer disbelief that the ball came to them in a catchable way. I've mostly seen us throwing into double coverage with receviers open or hitting receivers in stride with so much mustard that a catch is less likely than a drop, or the ball going through their hands, or the ball going through their uniforms, pads and body.***

My point is, we've had open receviers, which is their job, but we rarely have had open receviers that the QB saw and delivered a well timed pass, on target, with any kind of appropriate velocity. WR must catch, but QBs must throw catchable balls.

Yet I keep hearing this refrain that our WR corp is trash. I don't get it...

I 110% agree! I guarantee that there have been way more uncatchable balls thrown to receivers than there have been drops. The Fitz homers just use that as a crutch. For every perfect pass there is 5 ****** ones right behind it.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

They can't block worth a 17 either. I think they try to keep their block going north-south, not staying between the DB and the rusher. Kylin would have broken some big runs if it weren't for this.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

I refuse to believe we have fans this dumb. Do you not remember the Florida game? When is the last time you’ve seen a receiver actually go make a play on a ball? I have yet to see one in the past two years fight for a ball and come down with it

How can you “fight” for an uncatchable ball a mile over your head traveling at the speed of light? Hell he doesn’t put it to where they can go get it. Yeah I remember the damn Florida game. I watched him throw 1 great pass all game that got dropped. We had a chance in the 4th quarter on 2 different drives and he missed open receivers by a mile. Go back and watch the 4th.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

I'd say they're strong......to quite strong*

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

They are rarely open. Very rarely

This. I can’t figure if our wr just run crappy patterns that include going and finding the nearest defender and hanging out with him.... or if every single team we play has the best DB’s in America.

Meanwhile, our DB’s like to find a hole in our zone and stand in it while the opponents
WR’s run free by 10 yards in every pattern. It is not like one WR is open against us. They are ALL open!

But.....we are 4-2 and on our way to another minor bowl. So there is that.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

This. I can’t figure if our wr just run crappy patterns that include going and finding the nearest defender and hanging out with him.... or if every single team we play has the best DB’s in America.

Meanwhile, our DB’s like to find a hole in our zone and stand in it while the opponents
WR’s run free by 10 yards in every pattern. It is not like one WR is open against us. They are ALL open!

But.....we are 4-2 and on our way to another minor bowl. So there is that.

I'd like to see Matt Wyatt do a breakdown of our WR route running, including a whole field look every time our QB has thrown into double coverage when they brought extra pressure. I'm not a FB coach, but if they bring extra pressure and then have someone doubled, at least one someone is open. Last game he threw one into double coverage right in the middle of the field and Guidry was wide open running down the left hand side. If that ball is thrown to our open receiver even half the time it happens, their numbers are good and we probably aren't having a discussion.

Not saying we have an AJ on the team, but I think that to date we have no real context to evaluate. I'm impressed that the team seems to be sticking together and not showing frustration on the field with being open and not seen...

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Where is Austin Williams? He was THE MAN during Spring ball, supposedly.

Guidry is a bust. Mitchell is playing above his perceived ceiling, yet still not SEC caliber yet.

 

[8dog]

If you are talking about the throw down the middle with 10:30 left in the second qtr guidry is not wide open at all He just appears that way after the throw because his man stopped once the throw was made

 

[coach66]

Agree, not physical at all down the field.

nm

 

[patdog]

I think we're seeing the difference between spring football and real games with Austin Williams, and also why none of us had heard of him until the spring game. With Guidry, unfortunately I was right about him. He is a bust. Agree about Mitchell. He's the most consistent receiver we have, and would be a good 3rd receiver, but not what we need for our #1.

 

[Junction John]

You've shown great restraint waiting for someone else to start this thread. I'm proud of you.

 

[WutheringDawg]

The one thing that I will say in defense of Fitz is that he's shown that he can be serviceable through the air. 2016 showed that, when Fitzgerald threw for 2500 through the air. Fred Ross and Donald Gray are good college receivers. Four star guys that either got a cup of coffee in the NFL or went straight to the Birmingham semi-pro team. We don't have to have five Nasty Wide Outs to be successful. We can get guys like Ross and Gray, and have some that are true freshman this year, but we have totally missed on outside receivers for what feels like five straight years. Reggie Todd, Jessie Jackson, Osirus Mitchell, Jamaal Couch, even going back to a Joe Morrow, and now (hopefully this one is wrong) Stephen Guidry none of these guys look like they can beat a DB to get open, with the exception of Guidry and he can't seem to make the catch when he gets open.

 

[paindonthurt_]

You are stupid.

 

[HumpDawgy]

While Fitz and Key are not great, accurate passers, the receivers are the problem. Both have thrown plenty of catchable balls only to have them dropped. The route running is poor as well. No QB is going to throw the perfect pass every time. It doesn't happen. Not even for Rodgers and Brady.

If you want to call yourself a wide receiver, you must be able to RECEIVE, otherwise call yourself a wide out.

 

[tcdog70]

I watch Scooba Tech play every game--I have seen plenty of JUCO wideouts that can get open and catch the ball--I saw Guidry last year and He didn't impress--He only caught 20 something ball in JUCO and most of them were in the redzone. Scooba has Drummond this year--he can get open and he doesn't drop passes. If you are a SEC WR then you catch the ball, 17 the how hard it is thrown. Guidry can't catch the wide *** open throw much less the 50-50 ball. Have we caught a 50-50 ball this year? Our WR do not go get the ball-- Good WRs snatch the ball out of the air. throwing a catch able ball is over-rated--any ball that hits your hands is catchable.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

You anti-Fitz trolls are getting dumber and dumber by the minute

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

How can you “fight” for an uncatchable ball a mile over your head traveling at the speed of light? Hell he doesn’t put it to where they can go get it. Yeah I remember the damn Florida game. I watched him throw 1 great pass all game that got dropped. We had a chance in the 4th quarter on 2 different drives and he missed open receivers by a mile. Go back and watch the 4th.

Fitz brings SOMETHING to the table. Our WRs bring NOTHING

now, you can carry on being stupid

 

[Rare Dogness]

The problem is they all are below average. The QB and the WRs and even the OL in pass blocking. It is german to them

 

[thf24]

I think we're seeing the difference between spring football and real games with Austin Williams, and also why none of us had heard of him until the spring game. With Guidry, unfortunately I was right about him. He is a bust. Agree about Mitchell. He's the most consistent receiver we have, and would be a good 3rd receiver, but not what we need for our #1.

Don't you think being only 1/4 of the way through his D1 eligibility is a little early to call him a bust? I agree that the signs aren't incredibly positive thus far, but he's still got all the physical tools to be great if/when the light bulb comes on.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

Don't you think being only 1/4 of the way through his D1 eligibility is a little early to call him a bust? I agree that the signs aren't incredibly positive thus far, but he's still got all the physical tools to be great if/when the light bulb comes on.

Guidry is 3/4 of the way through his D1 eligibility.....he was a juco guy.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

Fitz brings SOMETHING to the table. Our WRs bring NOTHING

now, you can carry on being stupid

49% completion percentage on the season. 46% against power 5 opponents. As a 17ing 5th year Senior! Smh you can fluff the guy all you want true Marooner but I’m not. He 17ing sucks as a passer. You do not know how good the WRs truly are when the damn quarterback is consistently inaccurate. He can’t complete 55% of his passes against air. He’s a great runner. That’s it.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

You are stupid.

I’m stupid? You’re defending a guy with a completion percentage buried in the 40s as a senior but I’m stupid? Gotcha. Good luck with that logic dipshit.

 

[DAWG61]

Guidry is 3/4 of the way through his D1 eligibility.....he was a juco guy.

You both are correct. As far as eligibility goes wether he plays another game this season or not he's 3/4th done but he's a junior that is 1/2 way thru the season with another full season left. That makes him 1/4th the way thru his remaining eligibility.

 

[ChillbillyRock]

He hit Osorryass Mitchell in stride on that 20(or so) yd completion & he still had to fall down and cradle it,just to secure it. He could’ve gotten about 10-15 more yds. And I actually laughed when Guidry dropped the one that hit him in the hands, right in front of his face mask. Both of these receivers absolutely suck!! No excuses for this level of shittiness from (so-called) WRs in this league. However, if Fitz isn’t playing daily games of ‘catch’ with them, (learning each others timing, speed, throwing-velocity, cuts, etc...), then that’s on him.

 

[Seinfeld]

Yes. How can you begin to tell who’s at fault when the passing scheme calls for a QB to make throw he cants make to a group of mostly unproven receivers. All behind on O-line that doesn’t pass block very well

Point is... this shouldn’t be a debate about whether our QB’s passing ability or the WR catching ability is worse. The question should be why we’re continuously drawing up downfield throws with a group that is not designed for it

 

[HumpDawgy]

49% completion percentage on the season. 46% against power 5 opponents. As a 17ing 5th year Senior! Smh you can fluff the guy all you want true Marooner but I’m not. He 17ing sucks as a passer. You do not know how good the WRs truly are when the damn quarterback is consistently inaccurate. He can’t complete 55% of his passes against air. He’s a great runner. That’s it.

At this point Fitzgerald has a higher completion percentage rate for his college career than Brett Favre had. In no way am I saying Fitz is a future hall of fame QB, but those are the stats so far.

We have a perfect storm of reasons why Fitz's passing percentage is down this year. He is months removed from a nasty ankle injury. A new coach comes in with a new system he has to learn without being fully 100% physically. The new coach wants to throw deep and have more chunk plays even though we do not have the personnel to thrive in that type of system. Also, the more you throw deep, the lower your completion percentage and higher your interception number. This is the case for most all QBs not named Aaron Rodgers. Even Tom Brady lives off the crossing pattern.

Our OL are road graders, not agile pass blockers. When there is a lot of pressure in a QBs face, they tend to not complete as many passes.

Our receivers are not elite. They are not any even above average. We have a couple that have "average" moments in games. No consistency. Guys jogging through their routes or running the wrong one altogether. They drop passes that hit them in the hands. They bobble easy catches and fall down with no defender close to them. We were hoping the additions of Guidry, Heath, and Whop (sp?) would inject some talent into the receiving corp. Guidry is the only one playing and he is not delivering.

I watched Key passing in the first game and his passes were not sharp. He is not there yet. Luckily we were playing a very bad team with an interim HC and we had guys running wide open on busted coverages. I do not believe Key would be a better passer than Fitz and don't believe we should bench Fitz just because he has no eligibility left.

Hopefully JoMo keeps a similar gameplan the rest of the season. We must stick with the run heavy offense, even if we are behind a couple scores. Keep the deep passes at a minimum. We need to throw mostly to our RBs out of the backfield and let them make the "chunk" plays. RUN, RUN, RUN! I want our OL doing what they do best....abusing defenders.

 

[thf24]

Guidry is 3/4 of the way through his D1 eligibility.....he was a juco guy.

Didn't realize JUCO is D1.