That the transition between coaches will be as seamless as any and this offense will “put the fear of God into anyone it plays.”
That rattled some cages.
That rattled some cages.
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I'm still very concerned about Shoop. I think it's much easier to pick up blitzes in a 4-2-5 than a 3-4 and harder to shut down the run. Also, don't like the cushion we were playing with our DB's in the spring. I realize we had a very vanilla gameplan but I watched a lot of UT football the past 2 years so I think my concerns are warranted.
And?
Our secondary has a few questions to answer.
Sometimes people just want to be insulted.
Our secondary has a few questions to answer.
Sometimes people just want to be insulted.
The only concern I have with Defense is shoop and his play calling. We have the athletes and the players all over on defense. Just hope his situational playcalling puts those players in position to succeed. I do like the 4-2-5 for this team versus the 3-4. This puts the best athletes on the field and we have the front 7 that can support the DB's
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I'll admit that I would be even more confident than I am right now had we kept Grantham but it is what it is. Apparently Moorhead feels more comfortable with Shoop likely due to their mutual close relationship with Franklin so just hope that it works well. We essentially played a 4-2-5 in the Joe Lee Dunn era and it worked quite well. You would think having the extra DB on the field most of the time would work well against the spread.
Our defense gave up 30+ points per game in half our SEC games last year, and the secondary is garbage until proven otherwise. I know everyone likes the talent in the front 7, but every decent offense we played was able to consistently score on us last season. At this point, questionable is an accurate statement.
He is also the guy that dogged Grantham pretty good when we hired him so there's that. If he is saying our defense is questionable because of personnel then he is just an ignorant dufus. If its because of the DC changeover well I have a little concern over that myself.
Tennessee had a lot bigger problems than who their defensive coordinator was. In 2011, Shoop took over a Vandy defense that gave up 31 ppg and over 3 years, he gave up 22 ppg. Then he took over a Penn St. defense giving up 26 ppg and over 2 years he gave up 20 ppg.
I’m perfectly okay with a break but don’t bend defense**
I think we will be very good against the run, and have a great pass rush. We will get burned occasionally, but I suspect it will be better than last year and good enough if the offense is what we all hope.
I think we will be very good against the run, and have a great pass rush. We will get burned occasionally, but I suspect it will be better than last year and good enough if the offense is what we all hope.
Grantham played a bunch of man. Not too much zone. And for the first time in a long time we were in tight coverage on the underneath stuff and I loved it. Shoop is going to play a lot more zone than Grantham.
This is true and this gives me hope. Shoop was outstanding at Vandy, but that was 7 years ago. A lot can change in 7 years just ask Joe Lee Dunn.
2011
Grantham UGA - 5th total D
Shoop Vandy - 18th total D
2012
Grantham UGA - 32nd total D
Shoop Vandy - 19th total D
2013
Grantham UGA - 45th total D
Shoop Vandy - 23rd total D
2014
Grantham Louisville - 6th total D
Shoop Penn St - 2nd total D
2015
Grantham Louisville - 18th total D
Shoop Penn St - 14th total D
Obviously Shoop's time at Tennessee was a disaster. But he certainly has not spent a career in the shadow of Todd Grantham. And judging by what Pruitt is saying now -- it looks like that was cultural. He made a dumb coaching move. Should have stayed with Franklin, where he would have had far more elite defenses with Moorhead actually moving the ball compared to the Christian Hackenburg square peg in a round hole offenses with Franklin that routinely missed the top 100.
Grantham UGA - 5th total D
Shoop Vandy - 18th total D
2012
Grantham UGA - 32nd total D
Shoop Vandy - 19th total D
2013
Grantham UGA - 45th total D
Shoop Vandy - 23rd total D
2014
Grantham Louisville - 6th total D
Shoop Penn St - 2nd total D
2015
Grantham Louisville - 18th total D
Shoop Penn St - 14th total D
Obviously Shoop's time at Tennessee was a disaster. But he certainly has not spent a career in the shadow of Todd Grantham. And judging by what Pruitt is saying now -- it looks like that was cultural. He made a dumb coaching move. Should have stayed with Franklin, where he would have had far more elite defenses with Moorhead actually moving the ball compared to the Christian Hackenburg square peg in a round hole offenses with Franklin that routinely missed the top 100.
This may not have a thing to do with it, but I will remind everyone that the spring game ended early last year after one of our players nearly got his head taken off. The new coaches may not even be aware, but I’d imagine that the secondary was probably instructed to give a little space one way or another
125th in the country against the run last year. That scares the crap out of me. I just think the 3-4 is a much better design to stop the run than a 4-2-5.
We are going to be good on defense this season. Too much talent in the d-line to not be good. But we need to be great. Top 10 is the benchmark b/c that's what Grantham did last year.
Actually, any defensive alignment can be schemed to defend what you want it to defend. The only differences is predominantly in the size of the defender you are using. Now, with that being said, if stopping the run is your main concern, then a 4 down line should make you happier than a 3 down line. You will be fitting gaps with bigger bodies, which is better to do in the SEC to stop the run.
I played CB in juco and was taught wen we played zone we manned up when our zone was invaded. In other words we were responsible for a certain area on the field and when the opponent came into your zone, you jumped him and played man until the ball is thrown or the play was dead. This is where you also were taught to stay deeper than the deepest man in your zone.
Well if we lose players to injury like Tennessee did, your fear will be warranted.
"The Tennessee training room has been more crowded than any other in college football the past two seasons.
The Vols led college football with 52 missed starts due to injuries last season, with 17 starters missing at least one game, and only five position players starting every game.
Tennessee is on the verge of repeating as the most injury plagued football program in the FBS ranks.
The Vols look to have 87 missed starts due to injuries after Saturday’s game with the Commodores — with only six position players having started every game this season (barring another injury)"
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Defense needs to be schemed around what the offense is doing. JoMo wouldn't have gotten him if he wasn't doing what he thought would mesh best with his offense
And weren't you chicken littles saying the same dumb stuff about Manny Diaz after his time at Texas
Well, I don’t have a tremendous amount of worry about either side. But it’s hard for me to not be more worried about defense than offense. On offense we return 2 excellent QB’s, 3 excellent RB’s, everyone on the OL besides Rankin (who was hurt most of last year anyway), and we add an influx of talent at the weakest position on the field (WR).
On defense we keep our front 7 intact and add Rivers, but the secondary is suspect for seemingly the 20th year in a row. Adding Cole will help but losing Bryant and Cleveland will hurt from a depth standpoint. There is just really no one in the secondary I feel good about besides Abram until we actually see some folks step up.
We we are going through scheme changes on both sides of the ball, so I think that is a wash. I think mainly it’s a diminishing returns issue with the defense, as all the main guys we are adding like Rivers, etc. are supplementing an already strong unit. We don’t seem to have many new pieces like we do on offense with Guidry, Whop, Heath, and Williams.
All I know is I had flashbacks to Ashley Cooper when I saw Brian cole come of the corner blitz a few times!
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