Our #1 Recruiting Problem
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Please tell me your name is really sterling archer..... It'll explain the entire sentiment.
Everyone thought I was crazy when I mentioned that instead of flying recruits into GTR and driving them straight thru every stereotype they have of the area, we need to fly them direct into Starkville and enter thru downtown and the Cotton District. That first impression means a lot IMO... And this would replace 30 minutes of fields with being in the heart of town in 5 minutes...
It would take some doing to say the least. May not even be possible in the immediate sense with possible recruiting restrictions against private aircraft and Starkville airport being a rarity for commercial. But that method is quicker than changing the infrastructure of the town that the old generation is desperate to hold onto...
It would take some doing to say the least. May not even be possible in the immediate sense with possible recruiting restrictions against private aircraft and Starkville airport being a rarity for commercial. But that method is quicker than changing the infrastructure of the town that the old generation is desperate to hold onto...
The "WaffuleHoufe" got a new sign Saturday that says its now the Jean Noodle Bowl and Chinese" restaurant or something to that effect
I haven`t checked to see but I can`t imagine the laughs that some on OM boards have to be getting out of you poor naive souls. The scenery driving in to Starkville is the main reason for our mediocre recruiting ???? ??? That is really just sad. I just hope some of you can make it through Christmas without finding out the truth about Santa Clause.
The #1 problem with our recruiting is the lack of #neckwork involvement. Every other school with success in recruiting are 10x more organized, or at least care 10x as much. Auburn has Jimmy Rane and Ole Miss has Sean Tuohy just to name a couple of "encouragers" of said activity.
You wonder why Rick Ray couldn't recruit ANYONE, but Howland is landing top 100 players left and right? It ain't the shrubbery outside The Hump or the proximity to Rick's.
You wonder why Rick Ray couldn't recruit ANYONE, but Howland is landing top 100 players left and right? It ain't the shrubbery outside The Hump or the proximity to Rick's.
Is there something about Santa Claus that I don't know? Please, please, please keep it to yourself and don't ruin my fondest Christmas memories ( unless you got pictures, then by all means please share )
i live in oxford.....the town is no different than starkville....ZERO....mirror images of each other....the difference is the city and university work together like a great marriage.....doesnt happen that way in starkville.....getting better, for sure.....always something to do here, and the university is always involved.....ive always said this.....oxfords perception is greater than its reality, and starkvilles reality is greater than its perception.....and you dipshits who call it 'starkvegas' don't do us any favors....
live/lived in both towns....i know what I'm talking about...
live/lived in both towns....i know what I'm talking about...
If some of you guys think today's Starkville is a pit, then you would **** a brick if you saw Starkville when I was a freshman back in the early 70's.
After a 20 year absence, we came to last year's Auburn game and we were astonished by the improvements to the campus and Starkville. I guess every thing is relative because we didn't think Starkville was so bad in the 70's. I agree with some posters that Bamaville & Bearville are not that great when you drive to parts of the town away from the campuses.
After a 20 year absence, we came to last year's Auburn game and we were astonished by the improvements to the campus and Starkville. I guess every thing is relative because we didn't think Starkville was so bad in the 70's. I agree with some posters that Bamaville & Bearville are not that great when you drive to parts of the town away from the campuses.
Things a recruit is likely to say
Pick one
Group 1 -
They have a square
That town was cute
City planning was top notch
There is so much to do!
Group 2 -
Awesome facilities
They can offer early playing time
Winning program
They really took care of me
I agree, let's not parade these folks around ****** parts of down, but get real, recruiting is about what the program can offer an athlete and town aesthetics is wayyyyyyyyy down the list.
Pick one
Group 1 -
They have a square
That town was cute
City planning was top notch
There is so much to do!
Group 2 -
Awesome facilities
They can offer early playing time
Winning program
They really took care of me
I agree, let's not parade these folks around ****** parts of down, but get real, recruiting is about what the program can offer an athlete and town aesthetics is wayyyyyyyyy down the list.
I've read a lot of dumb posts and some really good ones but this one tops them all. Blaming a town, not coaches, not facility's but a town for not getting better recruits. So I guess Howland just landed a top 5-10 recruiting class by blindfolding the recruits when driving into or around town. Or even Cohen who I believe has a top 5 bb class. Guess he just had them dropped into center field by helicopter so they couldn't see the town but an old beat up Dudy Noble. Of course we can show them most of our facility's but not the older ones they might not commit to us. It's coaches, it's the facility's it's the people who represent the entire university that bring in the best recruits not a dam town fools.
I don't blame the Clarion Ledger for the bad press necessarily, just the fact that they haven't done nearly as much to promote the good parts of Starkville and MSU as they have Ole Miss and Oxford throughout the state of Mississippi. News travels by word of mouth, and if everyone in our state has been given the perception for 50 years that Oxford is a kingdom and Starkville is a pasture, well then that's what people are going to talk about when they meet others from other parts of the country. I think at some point if MSU is to take the next step in raising their perception, we are going have to shed our identity as a Agriculture school. Nobody wants to send their kids to college somewhere where they believe horseshoeing and milking cows is a major. Thats our biggest problem in my opinion.
On a side note, the Starkvegas nickname has really caught on with the high school age kids. I don't like the nickname myself, but it seems to be driving some good perceptions for us.
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Oddly ESPN didn't list the drive from the airport and the campus to town flow. Crazy.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ootball-easiest-toughest-recruiting-jobs-1-65
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ootball-easiest-toughest-recruiting-jobs-1-65
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Kinda sounds like you spent too much time seeking that demon rum and eating at the Waffle House to have actually have had time to notice a three mile long flea market. I've spent a lot of time working in Oxford and it has nothing on Starkville other that the quaint court square which consists of exactly four streets facing the court house. Give me Starkville. You can have Oxford.
Stark-patch was more the term than starkvegas when I was in school. If there was some interest in improving nightlife to even "put on airs", I could see where Vegas nickname could work.
The only difference between Starkville and Oxford is all the years of good press for them, and bad press for us. You can probably thank the Clarion Ledger for that.[/QUOTE]
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You can also thank some of the posters on this thread for our image. We are overstocked with "poor ole us" fans. And I use the word "fans" loosely. People who devote their life to demeaning anything Bulldog: the town, the coaches, the players, the facilities.
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You can also thank some of the posters on this thread for our image. We are overstocked with "poor ole us" fans. And I use the word "fans" loosely. People who devote their life to demeaning anything Bulldog: the town, the coaches, the players, the facilities.
Some of the entrances onto LSU, especially on game day are some of the worst hoods I've seen. Definitely nothing special. Other areas you drive by the levee, again, nothing special.
We get beat in recruiting for two major reasons:
1. We suck at playing the game.
2. More traditionally successful or more national programs beat us......Bama, LSU, Florida, UGA, sometimes and Auburn.
We suck at playing the game.
Any other reason is going to be few and far between.
We get beat in recruiting for two major reasons:
1. We suck at playing the game.
2. More traditionally successful or more national programs beat us......Bama, LSU, Florida, UGA, sometimes and Auburn.
We suck at playing the game.
Any other reason is going to be few and far between.
Get us a maroon and white whirlygig helicopter like tubby sumlin has at a&m and one won't need to rely on starkville having and airport.
We got ESPN'd...
[h=3]10. Mississippi State Bulldogs: 18 out of 25[/h]Favorable geography/local recruiting territory: 3 -- The state of Mississippi has produced 429 prospects who have signed with Power 5 conference schools since 2006. The Rebels also have to compete with in-state rival Ole Miss for top recruits.
Recruiting/football budget: 4 -- $477k according to the most recent data. In-state rival Ole Miss spent nearly 100k more on recruiting in 2013, the last year for which data is available.
Facilities to attract recruits: 3 -- Mississippi State has a nice stadium and facilities, but is not on the same level in that realm as Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M or Tennessee.
Next-level considerations: 5 -- 18 players selected in the NFL draft since 2010, more than twice as many as Ole Miss over that span and more than Tennessee, Texas A&M and Auburn as well.
Other intangibles: 2 -- Dan Mullen has shown that it's possible to have Mississippi State in the title conversation, but it’s still a very difficult task competing with teams like Auburn, LSU and Alabama both on the field and the recruiting trail every year. Combine that with the fact that Ole Miss is on the rise as well and it can be a difficult place to consistently attract the type of talent you need to win.
[h=3]10. Mississippi State Bulldogs: 18 out of 25[/h]Favorable geography/local recruiting territory: 3 -- The state of Mississippi has produced 429 prospects who have signed with Power 5 conference schools since 2006. The Rebels also have to compete with in-state rival Ole Miss for top recruits.
Recruiting/football budget: 4 -- $477k according to the most recent data. In-state rival Ole Miss spent nearly 100k more on recruiting in 2013, the last year for which data is available.
Facilities to attract recruits: 3 -- Mississippi State has a nice stadium and facilities, but is not on the same level in that realm as Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M or Tennessee.
Next-level considerations: 5 -- 18 players selected in the NFL draft since 2010, more than twice as many as Ole Miss over that span and more than Tennessee, Texas A&M and Auburn as well.
Other intangibles: 2 -- Dan Mullen has shown that it's possible to have Mississippi State in the title conversation, but it’s still a very difficult task competing with teams like Auburn, LSU and Alabama both on the field and the recruiting trail every year. Combine that with the fact that Ole Miss is on the rise as well and it can be a difficult place to consistently attract the type of talent you need to win.
Have you been to Oxford or Tuscaloosa? Tusaloosa is obviously bigger and does offer some more things, but mostly the difference between the three is how much of the ****** part of town you have to pass through to get to nice parts of town.
I can tell you with all certainty that the current leadership in office in Starkville want to have a terrific relationship with our Mississippi State University. They are both alumni and great Bulldog fans. They have a tough time, however, with a couple of members of the Board of Aldermen. You have to have a forward looking Board of Aldermen. I live in Green Oaks and one of them actually wanted to reopen MacArthur Blvd off Stark Road, turning Douglas MacArthur Blvd into a drag strip of college students and others from the apartments west of Stark. I attended the meeting and warned they would have a law suit if some little kid got run over.
I didn't know anything about a previous "Jean's", only saw a new sign going up. Spill the beans on the old one....
The problem is that it was somewhat true at least through the '90's. Both Starkville and Oxford have grown tremendously as far as what they offer, but oxford did have more going for it (not just prettier access) until around the late 90's. The gap was never as big as it was perceived, but it was there. Strakville was held back badly by locals that for a long time (and there's still a significant number of these people) that wanted all of the benefits of a university being in town without actually being a college town. But by sometime in the early 2000's, the cities basically ended up roughly equivalent, and now it's just a perception issue.
I agree and yes there are a few BOA that aren't the brightest or best people representing this city. But to blame a town on recruiting is absurd. Some mentioned Tuscaloosa as not the best city either and if that's the case how come Saban and UoA have been hugely successful ? It comes down to the coaches who recruit these players, it comes down to facility's, alumni and the University. Have yet to here a recruit say I'm not going to MSU because of the city. The coaches are great and I love the University but the city, no way. Ludicrous!
Problem with Highway 12 is that years ago we pumped high speed traffic right between campus and the City of Starkville!
First things first, we need to make it walkable from campus to the mill.. I'm surprised there hasn't been somebody hit there already on game days! Either way, we are stuck with it, so let's make the best of it, and put some more pedestrian bridges over Highway 12 like we did at University..
First things first, we need to make it walkable from campus to the mill.. I'm surprised there hasn't been somebody hit there already on game days! Either way, we are stuck with it, so let's make the best of it, and put some more pedestrian bridges over Highway 12 like we did at University..
Old one was Jean Cafe in the cotton district. And yes it is the same family opening a new restaurant in the old Waffle House location.