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OU & UT future B1G targets?
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ND is ACC bound when all of this happens. That’s already a done deal.
In the old big 8 most years it was as big as Ohio state Michigan, you can't bring those days back but if you want to talk about a great football weekend you had Michigan vs Ohio state, Nebraska vs OU, Texas vs Texas a&m, Alabama vs Auburn, USC vs Ucla. Those games were truly the golden years of college football. But conference realignment teams switching conferences did away with the luster of that weekend
I hope so. Because, if OU and UT actually does happen, that means the SEC will or will have poached a couple teams from the ACC. No way in hell does the SEC sit back and watch the Big Ten poach two major programs from the Big XII without doing something themselves. Nothing would make me laugh harder than seeing Notre Dame in a weak *** ACC conference after flipping the bird to the Big Ten for all these years.
I don't doubt this rumor for a moment. OU & UT are like financial gold and would add to the conference negotiating power. Delaney doesn't care about some NU fans that still can't get over the 1 sec referee thing. I have always wanted out of this conference, BUT, if in the end, the old rivals are coming to this conference, that makes it a little better. Not sure what happens to the rest of the B12 though.
I think the ACC is pretty well locked up. I wouldn’t Be surprised if the SEC were to grab FSU, but ultimately I think the SEC would be stuck grabing up what’s left of the Big 12, specifically WVU and maybe Okie Lite.
The rest of the Big 12 probably continues on with 8 (oh the irony!) as a less than Power 5 conference. Even without UT and OU the Big 12 would still have enough pull to grab up a few Conference USA or AAC teams. They could grab up Houston, Cincinnati, maybe UCF, etc.
That sounds an awful lot like what happened to the Big East (now AAC) when the ACC poached Miami and Virginia Tech (then Boston College and Syracuse).
They both would be signing their death warrant if they joined the B1G - would become of shadow of themselves. I don't think either wants to get lost in the shuffle. They currently both have it set up nicely. West Virginia, TCU, Baylor, OSU, are nice & all, but Texas/OU have firm control at the end of the day.
Only question would be double the money and unfortunately money has spoken immensely in cfb as of late.
Only question would be double the money and unfortunately money has spoken immensely in cfb as of late.
I'm not sure. I think if the SEC wanted to swallow up Virginia Tech or NC/NC State, they could do it.
This... and about a dozen more reasons. Neither team will ever be in the B1G...ever.
They have it made in the big 2 and little 8 absolutely not any competition, you think either OU or texass would want to play Michigan penn st and Nebraska throw in Iowa and Wisconsin, then you change to Ohio state and Michigan state never going to happen unless there forced
Realignment is NOT about competition. It's about conference share dollars. That's the mistake most fans make when they analyze the situation. Oklahoma is going to want the dollars and the Big 12 is not viable without Oklahoma. Texas and the remaining midgets won't cut it as a major conference. Big 12 will be dead (or at least a shadow of its former self) after the next realignment round. Fortunately for the Big 12 that's still a few years away.
And the Longhorn Network is a money losing failure for ESPN so not likely to get favorable terms when/if the contract comes up for renewal.
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Any new teams will cut another slice out of the pie. The pie has to grow to make all the slices bigger. Who in the big 12 will make the pie grow enough to add more slices? Let's see, texas and OU, and then there's .... texas and OU, and we can't leave out ... texas and OU. Ya, that pretty much sums it up.
Who is BTM??? I think he is referring to BTN but he uses BTM so many times I am beginning to wonder.
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What on earth makes you think they would be signing their death wish?
If there is one thing Texas is more arrogant about than football it’s their academics. Conference realignment is not about football, it’s about money. And football just happens to be the money maker. If Texas can make more football money and pick up CIC money for academic research they absolutely will do it. At the end of the day, it’s not their decision. It’s OU’s decision. If OU leaves Texas has no choice but to do the same. The Big 12 without OU and/or Texas is not a P5 conference. Without OU Texas has a much harder time making a playoff. Texas will go if OU forces their hand. OU is the decision maker here, not Texas.
Nope. Texas doesn't need the CIC any more than it needs the Big Ten Network. Do you honestly think they'd make such a big decision to save a few bucks on Bunsen burners? Texas has the third-largest university endowment on the planet. They could buy the entire 14 member Big Ten and probably still have change left in their pocket. In addition to that, Texas has the $13 Billion Permanent University Fund behind it, which owns a massive amount of land and the oil under it. Even more, cheap in-state tuition and the "10% Rule" ensures UT will be a top destination for thousands of elite students. Texas has more engineering students than the University of Nebraska has undergraduates. They're building a new medical school to add to the four others they already have.
Texas doesn't need Oklahoma. They could call any conference in the country and receive an immediate offer to join. They could go independent and be incredibly successful. Everybody hates Texas. Wherever they go they will have rivals and big games. Oklahoma is a dirty, festering boil on their ***.
It's true that any conference would take Texas. BUT the reverse is not true. Texas will not consider the SEC (lack of academic prestige) or the PAC (bad geography and poor time zone). The financial disappointment of the Longhorn Network also shows the independent, go-it-alone route does not work for Texas.
Just because they have money and don’t need Big Ten money doesn't Mean they will flat out reject an offer to join the Big Ten. Why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s on highly favorable terms? That’s one of the most basic rules of wealth creation, and it applies no matter how wealthy you are.
And yes Texas doesn’t need OU. And yes they most likely want to keep the Big 12 intact, and would most likely hate a move to the Big Ten. But what they do need is a path to the college football playoff. If OU leaves the Big 12 becomes Texas and a bunch of middle of the road programs. Even if the Big 12 were to expand their only options are to take G5 teams which isn’t going to increase the football or basketball prestige of the conference overall. The road to the playoff becomes more difficult for Texas if the Big 12 becomes Texas and a bunch of nobodies. That’s essentially what the SWC was. With a diminished Big 12 if OU leaves, Texas’ best long term opportunity for a playoff spot is to go independent or join another conference. The Longhorn Network has not been successful, so unless they can ink a network deal like ND the prospect of going independent doesn’t seem viable. That means another conference. The SEC is out due to lack of academic prestige. The PAC could be an option but that creates a logistical problems between the central and pacific time zones. That leaves the ACC and the Big Ten.
And let’s not forget the biggest beneficiary of the dissolution of the SWC and the creation of the Big 12 was Texas. History bears witness to the fact that if they will benefit from a move, they will move. So while you may be right, Texas doesn’t NEED OU, the Big Ten, or anyone else for that matter. That doesn’t mean that they will stand pat as a casual observer of major conference realignment. And all of this hinges on OUs decision. If OU stays in the Big 12, Texas stays and the Big 12 continues on as it has over the past 10 years. If OU makes the move to the Big Ten, now Texas has some decisions to make. That’s why OU is the decision maker here.
This poster understands the awesome power of the University of Texas. There is no other school even remotely like it. Texas will not need to react to anything Oklahoma does. Oklahoma has been nervous for 7 years. They wanted to go into the PAC without Texas in 2011. Their President told everyone they were leaving. The PAC Presidents said 'no Texas....then no Oklahoma.' Texas is the prize. Why would the Big 10 Presidents and Chancellors vote in Oklahoma without Texas? If the Big 10 cannot get Texas or Virginia and North Carolina I don't think they will do anything. SEC/Oklahoma....maybe. Maybe not.
Different landscape than 2011. If the move is to get to multiple 16 team leagues, the Big 12 won't be one of those leagues. That league will cease to exist. In 2011, Texas had a fall back plan, they could in the Big 12, The other unknown factor at that time was whether or not TLN would be successful. In 2022, that won't be the case, the Big 12 will be gone and we all know TLN is not a successful venture.
If Texas were to choose to go independent, they will look more like BYU than they would Notre Dame. Even Notre Dame and BYU have realized that not having your non football and other Olympic sports inside of a league is not cost effective, is administratively expensive and difficult to manage as well as expensive to schedule and play. And no offense, in the current landscape, no one wants Texas for their Olympic sports only.
The price for overvaluing your self worth can be more than one bargained for.
Bring in OU and Texas
Kick out Rutgers and replace them with Missouri
Keep Maryland for basketball reasons and the fact they keep beating texas
Kick out Rutgers and replace them with Missouri
Keep Maryland for basketball reasons and the fact they keep beating texas
How real is the “Okie State has to follow OU” deal? I know quite a few people were saying A&M and UT were attached in the same manner but they ended up seperating. I don’t know all of the politics behind this stuff so I’m clueless when people say these things.
As far as weather is concerned I doubt that concerns them too much.
If Texas and Notre Dame can match the BIG revenue they will Never join, only a clear cut risk of making significantly less money than BIG / SEC schools will make them.
Well Notre Dame football is unique and is in a national media rights league of its own. Other Notre Dame sports however require a conference (like their deal with the ACC).
Texas on the other hand has failed on its own with the Longhorn Network. When it is time for renewal with ESPN, the Longhorn Network is not going to get the big bucks any more. It's a losing proposition for ESPN and with their cutbacks they're not going to be too charitable in the future. AND of course realignment is all about getting the big bucks for media rights. Texas rights are valuable as part of a conference but not so much standalone.